Pfft...

[darren forssman]

Prismall can't get a game in our side and he's a gun...

i wouldnt go that far, bartel is a gun and prismal aint good enough to stand next to bartel at this point.

 

[Hood007]

Did u read anything else that was said in here?
I said he's not above Bartel or any of those guys... Which is why he's not getting a game...

 

[Turbocat]

First point in the 2004 draft we gave up the chance to draft two first round kids for Ottens.
Now considering that King has been a shadow in this time period we have been lucky to have picked up a guy capable of playing ruck , even if our original intent was to get him as a forward option

The other thing which I dont know and I doubt Welles would inform us of , what would we have done with the picks if they were ours.In the 2004 draft we were still focused on the Great white Hope a Key forward but that doesnt mean we wouldn't have picked something else if we thought they would have been better.
Meyer at 12 will be handy hff
Bate at 13 could be better
Monfries at 14 is a Byrnes type but a better standard
Lynden Dunn at 15 is probably a bit similar to Grima

I'd think all four of these guys will still be playing when Ottens hangs them up.

 

[CF]

Before you start trying to decide whose Draft Picks were better read this article by MM and you will understand how silly it is:

Critics stick lance into Tigers
By Mick Malthouse
Collingwwood coach
May 11, 2007 I AM not here to defend Terry Wallace. The Richmond coach has been around long enough to know that when you lose games and cop a dreadful flogging, the knives come out.

Terry's got a thick skin and enough self-confidence and experience to get through this tough period. So has his football manager Greg Miller, who has been around the traps for many years.

What's uncalled for is the criticism of Richmond's recruitment, most of which has focused on the selection of Richard Tambling in the 2004 national draft.

This sort of criticism is both uneducated and extremely unfair, especially on young Tambling.

First some history.

In 2004, the Tigers chose Brett Deledio with their first pick, then Hawthorn selected Jarryd Roughead. The Western Bulldogs took Ryan Griffin with their third pick, then the Tigers opted for Tambling. The Hawks scooped up Lance Franklin at No.5.

Now some of us still remember how many wise footy people were astonished that Tambling had been available at No.4. The Tigers were thought to have pulled off a coup, and I still don't think Tambling has done anything wrong in the early stages of his AFL career.

At 20, he's still young and like most indigenous boys brought down from the Northern Territory will take some time to settle. It's less than a fortnight since Tambling kicked four goals in a quarter against West Coast, so the kid can play. I think sensible people at Richmond would be happy with his progress.

But when those knives come out, common sense rarely prevails. People are starting to compare Tambling to Franklin, who has had a terrific start to 2007, and putting one and one together to make three. We are meant to think Richmond has "failed" because it took Tambling when it might have had Franklin.

By that logic, I guess the Hawks were at fault, too, for choosing Roughead before Franklin. And while Griffin is a terrific player, perhaps the so-called experts might also judge the Dogs had erred by snubbing Lance.

This is a rubbish argument, based entirely on hindsight.

Let me say I'm delighted Franklin is doing so well for the Hawks. I still remember being criticised for including Lance in my All-Australian team last year. Some people thought I was deluded. If this season stopped at round six he would be one of the first picked.

But how Lance Franklin performs has no relevance to Richmond's recruiting prowess. The draft process is one giant gamble. Every club can compile evidence to show how clever and prescient it has been by spotting players others have rejected.

At the same time, every club can produce a list of potential champions it missed in the annual lottery.

Last week, Collingwood played Adelaide and as part of my weekly ritual I went through the pedigree of every player in the opposition side. By my estimation, the Crows fielded seven ex-rookies and we had five.


That's a dozen players who in the early stage of their careers were not deemed good enough to make the national draft.

When Collingwood plays Carlton tomorrow, we will be led by Ben Johnson, filling in for injured captain Nathan Buckley and deputy James Clement. Ben came to the Magpies as draft pick 63, which means all clubs, including ours, overlooked him several times. Tarkyn Lockyer, probably our best player this year, came up from the rookies list.

You occasionally hear similar criticism of Hawthorn and St Kilda for "missing" Chris Judd in 2001. Now Judd is shaping as one of the all-time greats, but Luke Hodge and Luke Ball are both terrific players, making an impact at the elite level. Ball is a captain, Hodge a future skipper. Did the Hawks and Saints make a mistake in 2001? Of course not.

I could pretend to be some sort of genius at the Eagles where we grabbed Brett Heady at 92 and Dean Kemp at 117 in 1989. Or you could paint me and every other person as a dunce for missing James Hird, who went to Essendon at 79 the next year. It's only a few years since Aaron Davey slipped into Melbourne via the backdoor.

You need daring and luck under the draft system and it's nigh impossible to know how a raw teenager will take to the pressures of AFL. Even the smartest people in the recruiting game are making educated guesses. We should leave Tambling to get on with his promising career and lay off Wallace for so-called recruiting errors.

nuff said, good job Mick

 

[darren forssman]

Did u read anything else that was said in here?
I said he's not above Bartel or any of those guys... Which is why he's not getting a game...

you called him a gun...and i dont think he is. he is solid but nothing more.

 

[Hood007]

Ok, just for you, i'll correct myself and say he's not a gun just yet. But i think he will be... Although i think you could've figured that out from everything else i've said...

 

[Hood007]

nuff said, good job Mick

Yeah good call...

 

[grantyc77]

Its certainly a good article and well written by MM, it does say a lot, most of us are quick to judge our early draft choices. Will be interesting to see 10 yrs down the track if tambling and others actually become decent players.

In regards to Prismall, he certainly is improving his borderline at the moment for our best 22, but i think by the end of the yr he definatly will be.

 

[scottydeewah]

we would be ****ED royally without Ottens. Blake as sole and number 1 ruckman....mmmmm yeah we would be screwed.

 

[sexyhunk]

just read in the paper today about the 2003 draft and how the richmond fans keep banging on about screwing us with the ottens trade. i actually thought we did better out of it. check it out

tigers got
deledio
tambling
meyer
pattaision
polo

deledio, tambling, polo definate best 22
meyer, borderline
pattison, definate not

we got
ottens
egan
prismal
nablett

all 4 are part of our best 22 imo

not trying to bump my ancient thread, but I wass checking out my profile and came across this....

so last men standing, ottens vs deledio...

some interesting posts in there expically about prismal..

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

wow I just love reading up on ancient posts to see just to see whom time has been kind too we certainly got the better deal as Ottens has been a champion and a pivotal part of our success and winning our 1st flag in over 40 years. Egan was on his way to becoming one of the games best backman and had everything imo until he suffered his career ending foot injury.
But having said that, Deledio has started this season very impressively and could perhaps become one of those very special players by the end of this season. He's somewhat similar to Hawkins, has enormous potential but has taken a few seasons of footy to start living upto his early hype.

 

[year of the cat]

The drafting of Deledio has absolutely nothing to do with the trading of picks to Richmond for Ottens. Whose to know who Wells would have taken if we had kept Moloney and that pick anyway.

All I can say is that we have won two flags with Ottens in the side which more than vindicates the decision to trade for him.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Agree YOTC.

And the fact that Richmond took Pattison and Meyer just makes it an even better trade.

I hope we've got Ottens no 2 being traded in in a couple of years

 

[darren forssman]

I beg to differ. I think Brent is in our best 22 for sure. He is class.

Ok, just for you, i'll correct myself and say he's not a gun just yet. But i think he will be... Although i think you could've figured that out from everything else i've said...

he doesnt even seem to be in the bummers best 22...

 

[vinum coupe]

I read your posts earlier Foz.
Cred

 

[darren forssman]

I read your posts earlier Foz.
Cred

more often wrong than right.

he was probably the only one at bummerland not happy with bummers return to the bummers

 

[vinum coupe]

They have screwed him. I was happy with the way he was tracking.
I was 30m away from him in that final when he did the knee and he moved beautifully into that space.

We might get him back for pick 80 yet

 

[And_ROOS]

Pris would have been the next Riccardi for us had he not done his knee then left, and Egan. Well shit, imagine a backline of Egan, Scarlett and Taylor. We would have won the last 4 GFs fairly convincingly had they all kept form.

 

[darren forssman]

Pris would have been the next Riccardi for us had he not done his knee then left, and Egan. Well shit, imagine a backline of Egan, Scarlett and Taylor. We would have won the last 4 GFs fairly convincingly had they all kept form.

prismall was solid, nothing more nothing less.

and we wouldnt have drafted taylor had egan been not injured.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

strange how one injury has a massive impact on the future of a single club. I never realized Egan being injured got us Taylor but Harry has just taken his game to a new level every single year he has been at the club. He is a terrific mark and takes the contested grab which we haven't had for a while, seems to never panic when under pressure and has rarely been beaten convincingly similar to Scarlett's career. I reckon any other club in the league would give up their top prospect to get Taylor as their main man in the backline.

 

[The rabbi]

prismall was solid, nothing more nothing less.

and we wouldnt have drafted taylor had egan been not injured.

Prismall could find the ball and his disposal was good but he was still a long way behind Jimmy, Selwood, Ablett, and Corey. He also lacked a yard of pace.

DF has summed Priz up well. "prismall was solid, nothing more nothing less".

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Prismall could find the ball and his disposal was good but he was still a long way behind Jimmy, Selwood, Ablett, and Corey. He also lacked a yard of pace.

DF has summed Priz up well. "prismall was solid, nothing more nothing less".

Agree. Priz also lacked versatility, he was a good midfielder but pretty poor in any other position. You contrast this with guys like Duncan and Menz who will play most if not all games this year because they can impact in positions other than mid, whereas if they were mids only, they'd be much less likely to get games given our quality midfield.

Come to think of it, Hogan has a similar problem to Prismall in this respect.

 

[Turbocat]

Agree. Priz also lacked versatility, he was a good midfielder but pretty poor in any other position. You contrast this with guys like Duncan and Menz who will play most if not all games this year because they can impact in positions other than mid, whereas if they were mids only, they'd be much less likely to get games given our quality midfield.

Come to think of it, Hogan has a similar problem to Prismall in this respect.

Prismall is a one pace , one dimensional player built well enough to be an inside player but really lacks the impact that one would think he should have.