Pick 1 and 4

[lou22]

We're going to have pick 1 and 4 in the national draft and pick 1 in the pre season draft. Does anyone here have an idea on what players we will pick up.
Will we go for the best 2 players in the draft or midfielders, personnally i think will need a centre half back and a full back and quick midfielders.

 

[XXX KINGS]

We need everything so I say we go for best player available no matter which position it is.

 

[mojo31]

We're going to have pick 1 and 4 in the national draft and pick 1 in the pre season draft. Does anyone here have an idea on what players we will pick up.
Will we go for the best 2 players in the draft or midfielders, personnally i think will need a centre half back and a full back and quick midfielders.

1) Marc Murphy
4) Shannon Hurn
20) Matt Spangher
36) Austin Lucy/Wade Mills
52) Grae Grant
68) Stephen Clifton

Trade Whitnall fto the Dogs for there first round pick (10) and try and get Hahn and if not then Shane Birss

10) Marcus Drum

 

[Funkalicous]

Murphy is clearly interested in coming to Carlton and I think Carlton are warming to the thought of taking him with pick 1. If Murphy knocks back Brisbane's offer, then you can just about gaurantee that he's come to an arrangement with the CFC.

Pick 2 is interesting. All year long I've been saying what Hawthorn will do with that pick, but all of a sudden it appears that Collingwood will have it. Surely they'll go for Ellis though. In my books, he and Murphy are the standouts in the draft. You never know with Collingwood though. They might do something outragous like drafting Varcroe (the tambling of this draft).

Pick 3 is a very tough one. It appears now that their man in Ellis won't get to Hawthorn, so who do they take? IMO, I think they'll be going for a tall and a classy midfielder. I'm certain the tall they're looking at is Clark, and seeing as neither Carlton or Collingwood will take him, then they'll just leave him for their next pick. If I had to take a stab at which midfielder I think they'll take, I'd say Swallow. He fits the discription of the type of midfielder they'd be after. They won't feel like they need Hurn (thank God ).

Pick 4 must be Shannon Hurn. IMO he'll become the best player from the draft. He's a super talent that can play anywhere on the field, especially as an inside midfielder. Great leadership qualities too! The only reason he's not going pick 1 is because of queries over his fitness, but this won't be an issue after he completes his first ever pre-season.

Pick 5 will be down to Varcroe or Dowler. IMO, they should take Dowler considering the age and fitness worries of Rocca, Carracella and Buckley. However, I can see them going for 2 midfielders and they'll jump at Varcroe. I personally wouldn't go for him, but Malthouse just loves his mercurial type players.

Pick 6 as I said before will be Mitch Clark. They'll want a quality ruckman to replace Everitt, and Clark has the added bonus in that he can also play CHF very well.

So I reckon the top 6 draft picks will go like this:

Pick 1- Carlton: Murphy
Pick 2- Collingwood: Ellis
Pick 3- Hawthorn: Swallow
Pick 4- Carlton: Hurn
Pick 5- Collingwood: Varcroe
Pick 6- Hawthorn: Clark

Still plenty of talent left with Dowler, Kennedy, Drum, Jones and Ryder still available. Hopefully we can secure a top 10 pick for Lance and secure another gem.

 

[goalpie]

1) Trade Whitnall fto the Dogs for there first round pick (10) and try and get Hahn and if not then Shane Birss

Whitnall for a round 1 pick. No club would be that stupid. He wouldnt be worth any more than a third round pick at that.

 

[pumped]

Whitnall for a round 1 pick. No club would be that stupid. He wouldnt be worth any more than a third round pick at that.

You are welcome to your opinion but I for one would not trade Whitnall for pick 10. Pick 1-5 maybe but not 10. He is the best user of the footy at the club and is probably our best performed player for the year now.

 

[Pivot]

1) Marc Murphy
4) Shannon Hurn
20) Matt Spangher
36) Austin Lucy/Wade Mills
52) Grae Grant
68) Stephen Clifton

Trade Whitnall fto the Dogs for there first round pick (10) and try and get Hahn and if not then Shane Birss

10) Marcus Drum

Hi mojo, how do you rate the guys Ive highlighted. What typ of players are Grant and Clifton? Is Lucy better than Bower in your opinion? Ive heard big things about Bower and it sounds like clubs are warming to him and he will probably go top 20. We definitely need 3 more top 25 picks IMO. I hope you are on the money with Lance/Hahn & Pick 10. Dont know about Birss as I would gladly have him at the Blues in 2006 but not for Whitnall. Having said that I guess we'd be doing well to get Lance for pick 10 so a player like Birss or Boyd would be handy-types. Are they better than the Bannisters, Johnsons, etc we already have?

Tall players - I keep hounding you but any whispers on who we may be able to get? Any out of contract?

 

[Silvagnis]

Whitnall for a round 1 pick. No club would be that stupid. He wouldnt be worth any more than a third round pick at that.

And which club gave up pick 7 and another player in Nixon for Chad Morrison?
Lance is a good player and an excellent balluser who's reading of the play is second to none.A club that is looking to sure up their KP stocks and have a terrific young list will take a long hard look at him.

 

[Silvagnis]

Murphy is clearly interested in coming to Carlton and I think Carlton are warming to the thought of taking him with pick 1. If Murphy knocks back Brisbane's offer, then you can just about gaurantee that he's come to an arrangement with the CFC.

Who would we get if he goes North? Interesting situation since Ellis is similar size to Walker and Russell.

IMO, they should take Dowler considering the age and fitness worries of Rocca, Carracella and Buckley.

Dowler? Pies will have Rocca, Tarrant, Davidson, Rusling, 2 Clokes , Hall and maybe a couple of other talls on their list.We don't need an Ellis type with Walker and Russell, and Hurn's big body and leadership would have been invaluable yesterday!

Pick 6 as I said before will be Mitch Clark. They'll want a quality ruckman to replace Everitt, and Clark has the added bonus in that he can also play CHF very well

If the Hawks do take Hurn we'll get Clark and that is why it's called the golden spoon.

And I reckon we will get another early pick for Lance and 4 picks in the top 20 (plus the best rookies) is a good addition to Walker, Russell, Betts, Blackwell, Raso and Hartlett.

 

[Effes]

Who would we take out of Ryder, Kennedy and Clarke with pick 4?

Ryder is the one that has been playing well in East Fremantle's seniors while Kennedy has been OK and Clarke can't make the senior team

Ryder 193cm very athletic

 

[pieman1]

And which club gave up pick 7 and another player in Nixon for Chad Morrison?
Lance is a good player and an excellent balluser who's reading of the play is second to none.A club that is looking to sure up their KP stocks and have a terrific young list will take a long hard look at him.

The correct mechanics of this deal were
Pick 7 and Nixon to Hawthorn
Pick 10, the Hawks 3rd pick and Morrison to Collingwood
a 3rd round pick (Hawthorn's) to West Coast
So we traded down three spots (and got the player we wanted anyway in Egan) and gave up a 3rd rounder from the Hawks for Morrison. You realyy need to check your facts cypher. And you're dreaming if you think you can get a first rounder for Lance, The Doggies second rounder is the best you can hope for.

 

[Effes]

The pies were going to take Jordan Russell with pick 10 (thats what their agreement was with Hawthorn; 'dont take our player with pick 7')

 

[mojo31]

Hi mojo, how do you rate the guys Ive highlighted. What typ of players are Grant and Clifton? Is Lucy better than Bower in your opinion? Ive heard big things about Bower and it sounds like clubs are warming to him and he will probably go top 20. We definitely need 3 more top 25 picks IMO. I hope you are on the money with Lance/Hahn & Pick 10. Dont know about Birss as I would gladly have him at the Blues in 2006 but not for Whitnall. Having said that I guess we'd be doing well to get Lance for pick 10 so a player like Birss or Boyd would be handy-types. Are they better than the Bannisters, Johnsons, etc we already have?

Tall players - I keep hounding you but any whispers on who we may be able to get? Any out of contract?

Paddy, Lance for pick 10 and (Hahn or Birss) not a straight swap. Hahn has bad shoulders and is a risk.

Polak and Gardiner are available for trades but will cost. Not out of contract.

Easier to get midfielders from other clubs than quality talls. Better to draft talls at least 2 a year and pick up mids from trades. Bartel, Salopek and those types. Try and get 1 from another club and draft 2 talls.

From the U18s I was impressesed with Spangher the most as a tall KPP defender.

Lucy is more physically developed. Not as quick as Spangher but competes well and likes the body contact.

Mills is a project type. Huge bloke who is very raw but could be molded.

 

[mojo31]

Who would we take out of Ryder, Kennedy and Clarke with pick 4?

Ryder is the one that has been playing well in East Fremantle's seniors while Kennedy has been OK and Clarke can't make the senior team

Ryder 193cm very athletic

Ryder. He is playing senior football and doing very well. Clark is playing U19s.
Ryder is also the youngest of them and is 194 cms and likely to be bigger now and still growing.

 

[FIGJAM]

Just you blokes do your job and get Marc Murphy in the pool!

 

[bibi01]

we must look at getting the best players availble- in paticular a ruckmen and onballers

ideally a ruckmen in PSD allowing us to get onballers in NAT draft, who generally develop quicker.

 

[Silvagnis]

The correct mechanics of this deal were
Pick 7 and Nixon to Hawthorn
Pick 10, the Hawks 3rd pick and Morrison to Collingwood
a 3rd round pick (Hawthorn's) to West Coast
So we traded down three spots (and got the player we wanted anyway in Egan) and gave up a 3rd rounder from the Hawks for Morrison. You realyy need to check your facts cypher. And you're dreaming if you think you can get a first rounder for Lance, The Doggies second rounder is the best you can hope for.

You screwed the pooch with that deal! Why wouldn't you just take Egan with pick 10 instead of Morrison? Russell is a terrific player who isn't a downhil skier like Egan and thankyou Mick! And Mick will probably trade us your second pick for Lance given he did that deal last year!

 

[Funkalicous]

Who would we get if he goes North? Interesting situation since Ellis is similar size to Walker and Russell.

Dowler? Pies will have Rocca, Tarrant, Davidson, Rusling, 2 Clokes , Hall and maybe a couple of other talls on their list.We don't need an Ellis type with Walker and Russell, and Hurn's big body and leadership would have been invaluable yesterday!

I agree with your sentiments on Ellis. He'll be a great player, but getting so little return so far out of Walker and Russell has left a sour taste in my mouth. Being talented and athletic is great, but occasionally I just want a midfielder who can find the ball. Murphy on the other hand, he has no trouble finding the pill.

 

[Silvagnis]

Who would we take out of Ryder, Kennedy and Clarke with pick 4?

Ryder is the one that has been playing well in East Fremantle's seniors while Kennedy has been OK and Clarke can't make the senior team

Ryder 193cm very athletic

But where would Ryder play at AFL level? Clark doesn't have that question mark over him and is rated higher by watchers.

 

[Silvagnis]

but getting so little return so far out of Walker and Russell has left a sour taste in my mouth.

Huge step up from SANFL and Vu18s footy to AFL level and we're not talking about a Fiora with Walker and Russell! Where's the Pavlich taken after Walker and Russell in the draft?

 

[WTTF]

I agree with your sentiments on Ellis. He'll be a great player, but getting so little return so far out of Walker and Russell has left a sour taste in my mouth. Being talented and athletic is great, but occasionally I just want a midfielder who can find the ball. Murphy on the other hand, he has no trouble finding the pill.

A bit early to be writing Walker and Russell off. Especially Russell, the kid has only played 1 season of senior footy, so give him a break.

Not everyone can have the immediate impact of Judd and Cooney. Hodge has taken a few years to develop and look at him now, he can't stop getting kicks.

 

[Effes]

But where would Ryder play at AFL level? Clark doesn't have that question mark over him and is rated higher by watchers.

I think Ryder has the smarts to play anywhere

Clarke was soft in the championships..............hardly got a kick.......was always behind when the ball was delivered inside 50

 

[WTTF]

I think Ryder has the smarts to play anywhere

Clarke was soft in the championships..............hardly got a kick.......was always behind when the ball was delivered inside 50

Agree, Ryder looks more like a KPP in the AFL than a Ruckman, even though he dominated the Ruck at the carnival.

As you quite rightly say Clarke looked lazy, was always behind and if he didn't mark it (which was most of the time) he never put in a second effort of chased at all. Having said that, there has been a few rumblings that he might have underperformed in the hope of staying west.

Kennedy impressed me just as much as Ryder. He looks like a real keeper as a CHF prospect.

 

[Funkalicous]

A bit early to be writing Walker and Russell off. Especially Russell, the kid has only played 1 season of senior footy, so give him a break.

Not everyone can have the immediate impact of Judd and Cooney. Hodge has taken a few years to develop and look at him now, he can't stop getting kicks.

I wasn't writing him off, nor am I doubting them. I'm just saying it's annoying when you have to wait so long for players to come good, especially when they mightn't even become as good as the players who've had an immdediate impact.

 

[Pivot]

Ok lets put these guys into perspective and order of best. The KPP players mentioned are:

- Ryder: 194cm CHF/CHB
- Clark: 197cm Ruck/CHF/FF
- Kennedy: 193cm CHF
- Spangher: 193cm CHB
- Lucy: 193cm FB
- Bower: 192cm CHB
- Mills: 196cm CHB/FB
- West: 196cm CHF/FF/Ruck

Who would Carlton be best to get with a Top 10 pick? We need at least 2 of these guys to build our spine around for the future IMO. Maybe we try for some genuine mids early in teh draft (1st 2 picks) and then 2 KPP - maybe 2 of the abve mentioned will be around in picks 10-20.