Pick 14

[wayToGo_]

I would be ecstatic with Hately, seems a bit of a drop given what hes produced in the SANFL, no?

Probably being very harsh but what does he bring that Banfield doesn't already offer? We got Bailey for just a rookie pick last season.

Hately more dangerous inside 50? Arguable better disposal? But I'd say Banfield seems more composed with ball in hand. Both solid big bodied players that aren't super fast and impressive as youngsters in state league. I'm just not sure I'd spend #14 on Hately when we already have both Banfield and Blakely on our list, and feel others (at our pick) may take more time to develop AFL bodies but have higher ceilings.

 

[theGav56]

Probably being very harsh but what does he bring that Banfield doesn't already offer? We got Bailey for just a rookie pick last season.

Hately more dangerous inside 50? Arguable better disposal? But I'd say Banfield seems more composed with ball in hand. Both solid big bodied players that aren't super fast and impressive as youngsters in state league. I'm just not sure I'd spend #14 on Hately when we already have both Banfield and Blakely on our list, and feel others (at our pick) may take more time to develop AFL bodies but have higher ceilings.

I am pulled in two directions about this. Two months ago my argument for Hately would have been to get Fyfe forward more, and I guess that would still be good, but we have weaponised our forward line now and Fyfe more midfield is where I want him. Hill might be a better compliment to our forward line with his x-factor pace.

 

[Chris25]

I would be ecstatic with Hately, seems a bit of a drop given what hes produced in the SANFL, no?

I think he goes in the 10-15 range. Every year someone drops after being rated highly early, and I can see it being Hately - particularly with the apparent rise of Clark, Caldwell and Jones into the top 10 mix. There are 6 picks that shape our selection...that's unless Rozee slips past Gold Coast.

8. Adelaide -
9. GWS -
10. Port Adelaide -
11. GWS -
12. Geelong -
13. Adelaide -

The way I see it, GWS don't have a single South Australian on their list. I can't imagine them changing that now, and all the talk has them eyeing off Jordan Clark. While Jye Caldwell and Chayce Jones seem guaranteed to be picked amongst that 6. Geelong could go Hately, but would have a few on their list. So let's say...

8. Adelaide - Jye Caldwell
9. GWS - Jordan Clark
10. Port Adelaide -
11. GWS - Chayce Jones
12. Geelong - Riley Collier-Dawkins
13. Adelaide -

Port Adelaide's biggest weakness is speed at the moment. And with them taking Ben King, they want a line breaker to get him the ball. They've met with Ian Hill, and he won't make it to pick 15 whereas Valente will. So let's go a little early on him. While Adelaide say they've taken their top rated midfielder in Caldwell, and now want a midfielder who offers more outside run. They've passed on SA talent before after all.

8. Adelaide - Jye Caldwell
9. GWS - Jordan Clark
10. Port Adelaide - Ian Hill
11. GWS - Chayce Jones
12. Geelong - Riley Collier-Dawkins
13. Adelaide - Zac Butters

 

[Joao]

The smart money has to be on Ian Hill.

Our pick is in a pretty bad spot I feel, in that there appears to be a couple of groupings that we'll miss out on. There's the almost consensus top 7 (Walsh, Lukosius, Rankine, M King, B King, Smith, Rozee) and then the top 10 bolters (Caldwell, Clark, Jones). It's then entirely possible that two of the more intriguing names in Hately and Collier-Dawkins are gone too. Which would leave us picking from the 'third' group.

The one I wouldn't be picking is Liam Stocker. He's a high floor, low ceiling type player for me. He's maybe like the 7th best inside midfielder in the draft? I'd rather use a second rounder on someone like Tom Joyce or Tom Lewis, or get into a position for Ely Smith or Tom Sparrow. Not much difference between Stocker and any of them I feel. Whereas there's more of a drop off when comparing Hill and Butters to the outside midfielders available later. Or Sturt and Taylor compared to medium forwards later in the draft.

My fairly realistic draft board would be...

1. Jackson Hately
2. Ian Hill
3. Sam Sturt

I think Hill has shown enough (certainly to me last year) to suggest he has a pretty high ceiling and I guess you are after that in the first round. Butters looks almost 100% outside to me such that he might as well only be 170cm so Hill's size shouldn't count against him in that comparison. Does look a damn fine ball user though.

I certainly have a hard time splitting the 10-25 inside mids. So hard to tell from just highlights but none of them really jump off the page at you but then none of them look bad either. I do like Valente and Stocker for being able to hit a target by foot.

Sturt in his highlights reminds me of Menzel. Without the knee problems that would be a win.

Hately would be too good to be true I think. Especially with how many picks the SA clubs have before us.

TLDR: Unless there is a genuine slider, I think Hill is a reasonable pick. Don't think there is likely to be anyone more talented available and by all accounts he is a good character.

 

[Joao]

I think he goes in the 10-15 range. Every year someone drops after being rated highly early, and I can see it being Hately - particularly with the apparent rise of Clark, Caldwell and Jones into the top 10 mix. There are 6 picks that shape our selection...that's unless Rozee slips past Gold Coast.

8. Adelaide -
9. GWS -
10. Port Adelaide -
11. GWS -
12. Geelong -
13. Adelaide -

The way I see it, GWS don't have a single South Australian on their list. I can't imagine them changing that now, and all the talk has them eyeing off Jordan Clark. While Jye Caldwell and Chayce Jones seem guaranteed to be picked amongst that 6. Geelong could go Hately, but would have a few on their list. So let's say...

8. Adelaide - Jye Caldwell
9. GWS - Jordan Clark
10. Port Adelaide -
11. GWS - Chayce Jones
12. Geelong - Riley Collier-Dawkins
13. Adelaide -

Port Adelaide's biggest weakness is speed at the moment. And with them taking Ben King, they want a line breaker to get him the ball. They've met with Ian Hill, and he won't make it to pick 15 whereas Valente will. So let's go a little early on him. While Adelaide say they've taken their top rated midfielder in Caldwell, and now want a midfielder who offers more outside run. They've passed on SA talent before after all.

8. Adelaide - Jye Caldwell
9. GWS - Jordan Clark
10. Port Adelaide - Ian Hill
11. GWS - Chayce Jones
12. Geelong - Riley Collier-Dawkins
13. Adelaide - Zac Butters

So you are promising the Freo BF board Hately? Bold move Chris.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think Hill has shown enough (certainly to me last year) to suggest he has a pretty high ceiling and I guess you are after that in the first round. Butters looks almost 100% outside to me such that he might as well only be 170cm so Hill's size shouldn't count against him in that comparison. Does look a damn fine ball user though.

I certainly have a hard time splitting the 10-25 inside mids. So hard to tell from just highlights but none of them really jump off the page at you but then none of them look bad either. I do like Valente and Stocker for being able to hit a target by foot.

Sturt in his highlights reminds me of Menzel. Without the knee problems that would be a win.

Hately would be too good to be true I think. Especially with how many picks the SA clubs have before us.

TLDR: Unless there is a genuine slider, I think Hill is a reasonable pick. Don't think there is likely to be anyone more talented available and by all accounts he is a good character.

I had the thought that there is half a chance Adelaide burn those picks to move up the draft but I dont know if that would be any better given they likely go to GC

 

[Joao]

I had the thought that there is half a chance Adelaide burn those picks to move up the draft but I dont know if that would be any better given they likely go to GC

I don't think anyone would be willing to pay the price required to get into the top 4 this year. I think the first round will stay as it is.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I think he goes in the 10-15 range. Every year someone drops after being rated highly early, and I can see it being Hately - particularly with the apparent rise of Clark, Caldwell and Jones into the top 10 mix. There are 6 picks that shape our selection...that's unless Rozee slips past Gold Coast.

8. Adelaide -
9. GWS -
10. Port Adelaide -
11. GWS -
12. Geelong -
13. Adelaide -

The way I see it, GWS don't have a single South Australian on their list. I can't imagine them changing that now, and all the talk has them eyeing off Jordan Clark. While Jye Caldwell and Chayce Jones seem guaranteed to be picked amongst that 6. Geelong could go Hately, but would have a few on their list. So let's say...

8. Adelaide - Jye Caldwell
9. GWS - Jordan Clark
10. Port Adelaide -
11. GWS - Chayce Jones
12. Geelong - Riley Collier-Dawkins
13. Adelaide -

Port Adelaide's biggest weakness is speed at the moment. And with them taking Ben King, they want a line breaker to get him the ball. They've met with Ian Hill, and he won't make it to pick 15 whereas Valente will. So let's go a little early on him. While Adelaide say they've taken their top rated midfielder in Caldwell, and now want a midfielder who offers more outside run. They've passed on SA talent before after all.

8. Adelaide - Jye Caldwell
9. GWS - Jordan Clark
10. Port Adelaide - Ian Hill
11. GWS - Chayce Jones
12. Geelong - Riley Collier-Dawkins
13. Adelaide - Zac Butters

The number of inside mids would definitely help us get Hately you'd have to imagine. Teams might reach for a different type of player banking on getting a different inside mid later. You definitely raise a good point re PA and GWS and for Geelong, Hately seems like a) the last type of player they would need and b) the last type of player they take with their top pick (Wells likes his high ceiling low floor first rounders).

You've convinced me Chris, lock in Hately

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I am pulled in two directions about this. Two months ago my argument for Hately would have been to get Fyfe forward more, and I guess that would still be good, but we have weaponised our forward line now and Fyfe more midfield is where I want him. Hill might be a better compliment to our forward line with his x-factor pace.

Fair point, I hadnt thought of that. Probably comes down to do you
a) Romanticise the ability of an undrafted player
b) Romanticise the ability of your own players.

I think Hately has a higher ceiling than Banfield, is cleaner and all-round better player but what do I know. Even if Hately is a better player, is he in a required position?

I'm of the opinion its hard to have enough two-position players when one of those positions is genuine inside mid so, yes, I would pull the trigger if there

 

[go_the_dockers]

People said the same things about Matt Crouch, as they have done about Hately and I would love him on our list.

 

[Dockernut]

I want to get Thomas Berry, just to get Brisbane back at the trade table.

 

[Bastyy]

Welp

All aboard the Hately train

 

[Tbonefreo]

I want to get Thomas Berry, just to get Brisbane back at the trade table.

Yeah fk em.


Just pull the trigger on hill i think.

 

[wayToGo_]

Hill going to one of the SA clubs would be as good as him going to GC or GWS. Geelong is the only Vic club with a pick before ours that might pick him. I don't mind if someone else steals him before us so long as there is a good chance he comes back home in the not-to-distant future. But if he is available at #14 he is the best pick for us imo.

#hillistheonlytrainworthgettingon

 

[theGav56]

The number of inside mids would definitely help us get Hately you'd have to imagine. Teams might reach for a different type of player banking on getting a different inside mid later. You definitely raise a good point re PA and GWS and for Geelong, Hately seems like a) the last type of player they would need and b) the last type of player they take with their top pick (Wells likes his high ceiling low floor first rounders).

You've convinced me Chris, lock in Hately

If we got him, slap 29 on his back.

 

[Dockernut]

Still not impressed by Hately.

 

[wayToGo_]

Duffield has made articles in The West worth reading again... https://thewest.com.au/sport/freman...-hopeful-ian-bobby-hills-climb-ng-b881016175z (credit to Bridget Lacy as well, who actually wrote this article)

“Staying in WA is a bonus. If Freo picked me I’d be stoked to not only be with Freo but with those two Hill boys as well.

“Bradley has said it would be good to have me in the forward line. We’ve always talked about it, even to joke around. We’ve always said three Hills are better than two and whatnot.”

...

Ian “Bobby” Hill has been spending a lot of time with second cousin Bradley Hill in the past few weeks — and he reckons the Fremantle star is a machine.

The electric small forward spent a week at Bradley’s house recently and was blown away by his work ethic, even though the 25-year-old former Hawthorn premiership star is not due back at pre-season training until next week.

“It’s good to see how professional he is — the way he eats, trains and just the little things he does off field,” Ian said.

“I go there every now and then. I didn’t plan it. I messaged him and said ‘I’m coming over’.

“He said ‘no worries’ and then I stayed the night and just kept staying. I’ve been running heaps and being around Bradley makes it a bit easier so I’m feeling really confident with my fitness. He’s a machine.”

 

[Scham]

The number of inside mids would definitely help us get Hately you'd have to imagine. Teams might reach for a different type of player banking on getting a different inside mid later. You definitely raise a good point re PA and GWS and for Geelong, Hately seems like a) the last type of player they would need and b) the last type of player they take with their top pick (Wells likes his high ceiling low floor first rounders).

You've convinced me Chris, lock in Hately

Why not the same for us?

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Why not the same for us?

Because I want him and I'm clutching at straws as to how he fill get to our pick

 

[Monument Hills]

I know I'm probably reaching at both picks but I would love for Freo to draft iHill and Ely Smith.

To complete the team we're building, a really good high possession extractor like Smith would fill that role that Barlow provided in the past, and iHill would be our next Walters magic man in the forward 50.

I know our team is very young and needs more experience and to develop some synergy together but I really don't see any other immediate weaknesses and for once we are actually building some depth.

 

[Bulldocker]

I know I'm probably reaching at both picks but I would love for Freo to draft iHill and Ely Smith.

To complete the team we're building, a really good high possession extractor like Smith would fill that role that Barlow provided in the past, and iHill would be our next Walters magic man in the forward 50.

I know our team is very young and needs more experience and to develop some synergy together but I really don't see any other immediate weaknesses and for once we are actually building some depth.

Yep. Hill + Ely Smith would be a great get. And it is actually a realistic possibility at our selections.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

Duffield has made articles in The West worth reading again... https://thewest.com.au/sport/freman...-hopeful-ian-bobby-hills-climb-ng-b881016175z (credit to Bridget Lacy as well, who actually wrote this article)

“Staying in WA is a bonus. If Freo picked me I’d be stoked to not only be with Freo but with those two Hill boys as well.

“Bradley has said it would be good to have me in the forward line. We’ve always talked about it, even to joke around. We’ve always said three Hills are better than two and whatnot.”

...

Ian “Bobby” Hill has been spending a lot of time with second cousin Bradley Hill in the past few weeks — and he reckons the Fremantle star is a machine.

The electric small forward spent a week at Bradley’s house recently and was blown away by his work ethic, even though the 25-year-old former Hawthorn premiership star is not due back at pre-season training until next week.

“It’s good to see how professional he is — the way he eats, trains and just the little things he does off field,” Ian said.

“I go there every now and then. I didn’t plan it. I messaged him and said ‘I’m coming over’.

“He said ‘no worries’ and then I stayed the night and just kept staying. I’ve been running heaps and being around Bradley makes it a bit easier so I’m feeling really confident with my fitness. He’s a machine.”

The Speccy they had linked wasn't bad either

 

[Mr Fonebone]

If we can pick up Hill, Carter + a couple of good inside mids that would be a good result.

However, knowing Freo, now that we have got Rucks/KPFs hanging from the rafters watch us draft a couple of talls.

 

[george2]

Still not impressed by Hately.

I agree with this. I think if we are going to go for that big body midfielder then i think that RCD is the better option there with his pace and attack on the ball. Either way i think we are going to have a hard decision to make which is a good thing from our perspective.

 

[_007_]

I agree with this. I think if we are going to go for that big body midfielder then i think that RCD is the better option there with his pace and attack on the ball. Either way i think we are going to have a hard decision to make which is a good thing from our perspective.

Doesn’t RCD struggle for possession in a large way?