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If you look at Bobby side by side with Lukosius it is pretty clear his height is being understated...

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Wow on top of his miraculous leap!

 

[Taylor]

I'd play Ian Hill like Josh Kelly of GWS. Accept a handball and create space by foot then deliver beautifully or work hard to space then deliver beautifully by foot.

We are short of skill and speed and he has both, he also has a leap. If he was all year we wouldn't get a look at him in my opinion.

 

[apuchar]

from snoop dog
# 15 Fremantle

Ian Hill / Perth / 175cm


He is a freak this kid and whilst he probably hasn’t strung it together enough this year clubs scouts have seen enough. The kid is in Fremantle’s back yard and they could see this kid as the perfect foil for a Lobb and Hogan as the taller forward options they have. He doesn’t need many touches and he is very similar to Cyril in his explosiveness, agility, skill and speed. I almost don’t want to pick him for them because it is so obvious.

Who else – Any of the above would suit them well but a Sam Sturt could be another they would look at as the third tall.

 

[Wilksyy]

It's only a handicap if he wants to play a position not suited to his size such as KPF or ruck for example. If he's playing the position of small forward at the feet of the big guys, his size isn't important, it may even be a benefit. The history of this comp is littered with players thought to have been too small only to go on to have great careers. Similarly big athletic guys who turn out to be useless.
Give me Tony Liberatore over Brendan Fewster any day.
Size it not nearly as important as determination.

Agreed. I'll take the guy with limited athletic ability with great "footy iq" - the ability to read the play, good awareness, lowers eyes, passes the old school one meter rule over an athlete any day of the week. Heck, my favourite player ever is probably Greg Williams.

 

[theGav56]

Agreed. I'll take the guy with limited athletic ability with great "footy iq" - the ability to read the play, good awareness, lowers eyes, passes the old school one meter rule over an athlete any day of the week. Heck, my favourite player ever is probably Greg Williams.

Williams was amazing, but that is from another era. Incredible football IQ though.

 

[theGav56]

I don't think being a WA boy will mean we'll take him over a more highly rated prospect, even if the difference is small. Nor should it.

By "draft zone", I meant pick 15. Most people have him within pick 12-20 I think. Sorry for the confusion.

I think being from WA is a tie-break factor.

 

[Bastyy]

What sort of player are the following projected to be ? Ie in 5 years time

Clark
Butters
Stocker

Would they be in our best 22 next year?

Clark's the one I really like out of this group, he probably won't be available but he just adds another high end talent to our Defense.

Butters I think personally is pretty overrated. Out of the forwards at our range (Sturt/Hill/McHenry/Butters/Taylor) he's the one I'd rate the lowest. He could surprise me but I see the other 4 as better long term players

Stocker is the type of player you'd grab when you're in premiership tilt. He's REALLY good and can play straight away, but his ceiling is way lower than a RCD, Ely Smith or Jack Bytel. I'd have him more suitable for someone like Richmond

 

[theGav56]

Stocker is the type of player you'd grab when you're in premiership tilt. He's REALLY good and can play straight away, but his ceiling is way lower than a RCD, Ely Smith or Jack Bytel. I'd have him more suitable for someone like Richmond

I know what you are saying re Stocker, and Chris25 expressed similar sentiments. But I won't be unhappy if that is the way the cards fall for us. We really need to build some midfield presence and depth, and his hard work and decent disposal would fit right in there.

 

[more_of_bito]

Remember at the end of the season we were debating if Hill should be taken at 6? He was projected a top 5 pick 12 months ago prior to injury. Just makes sense to me at 14.

 

[Wilksyy]

Stocker is the type of player you'd grab when you're in premiership tilt. He's REALLY good and can play straight away, but his ceiling is way lower than a RCD, Ely Smith

I agree with Clark.

I guess I rate Stocker higher than most here certainly over Ely Smith. Smith's a hell of an athlete but he's a man-child, that's not necessarily an issue I just think he should be absolutely dominating in TAC level. He's good in the contest with quick hands but his decision-making off the boot were poor - especially in the W.A game (Bailey Williams bailed him out with that mark).

 

[Walkingwounded]

I agree with Clark.

I guess I rate Stocker higher than most here certainly over Ely Smith. Smith's a hell of an athlete but he's a man-child, that's not necessarily an issue I just think he should be absolutely dominating in TAC level. He's good in the contest with quick hands but his decision-making off the boot were poor - especially in the W.A game (Bailey Williams bailed him out with that mark).

I see Ely Smith as a more skilful, faster version of Barlow. We need someone like that, to complement the outside run we have and are likely to have at our disposal in the coming years through our NGA.

I think with our first 2 picks we need a crafty speedy fwd who adds defensive pressure (iHill fits this criteria) and a big bodied inside mid (Hately or E Smith would be suitable, but like the looks of Caldwell, but doubt he will get through to us)


https://www.afldraftcentral.com.au/2018/11/13/afl-draft-preview-fremantle/

 

[eastfreo75]

Remember at the end of the season we were debating if Hill should be taken at 6? He was projected a top 5 pick 12 months ago prior to injury. Just makes sense to me at 14.

12 months is a long time.

I was arguing against Hill at 6 due to his height or other options. Seem like a stretch at the time.

Now I’m arguing for Hill at 14.

Things do change.

 

[Ysaye]

What sort of player are the following projected to be ? Ie in 5 years time

Clark
Butters
Stocker

Would they be in our best 22 next year?

Clark - Projects as a classy (very good to top quality) medium sized flanker (forward, maybe back, depending on team needs and coaching styles) or winger who is able to deliver into the forward line or out of the backline with precision and be very damaging, as well as moving cleanly through congestion. IMO creative kicking and decision making should be a feature, but he will be a good tackler and pressure creator as well, and good number of marks due to being a good reader of the play. Because of his decision making and movement in congestion, I wouldn't be totally surprised if he moves into the middle depending on whether the team that drafts him has options there or not and how much he develops physically within the five years. On the other hand, he might be a back-pocket or half forward flank that assists the team, particularly if he is set back health wise with the glandular fever and/or other injuries early on in the career. Clark apparently hasn't done a proper pre-season at any level yet because of cricket interests, so there is large scope to improve everything very quickly through improvement of fitness.

Butters - Another player that projects in five years as a forward flanker or wing who uses their speed to counterattack via link handballing or kicking for goal. I expect him to be characterized by speed and agility combination, whilst his kicking will possibly be seen as good and neat rather than elite. I don't think he will play out of the middle as his size is a bit physically small, but he may do bursts as part of rotations. He also won't be a marking player at AFL level but his natural stye is to crumb anyway, for which his style and tools are suited. He could be a top 20 player for his team in five years, or he might not be around in five years.

Stocker - In five years I see him as someone that alternates between the forward half and playing in the centre square and provides on-field leadership. Will fly the flag for his team and coach, and could be part of a leadership team within that space of time, and will add value in that space; do not underestimate how much clubs will value this side of his character. I think he is a good mark due to build and a bit of burst speed, and that will add value in the forward line or other utility roles. Powerful kick, but consistency may be tested in an AFL environment and it might just be considered adequate rather than a weapon. Whether he is playing in the middle will depend on how well he can build up his endurance and the competition; you would back him to improve the former with a good sports science team and full time environment, and a good bill of health (the latter is probably more important as his academy background would have provided some leg up on the former to date). Will be around in five years, but worst case might be a fringe utility player that comes in and out.

In terms of being in the best 22 next year, I can see Clark and Stocker having a good chance at being there at the end of the year, Butters maybe more 40/60% by the end of the year. I would back Clark to be very dangerous at WAFL level, mainly because he was already this year and barring injury / illness you would back him to get even better if he does even manage only part of a pre-season.

 

[Scham]

Clark - Projects as a classy (very good to top quality) medium sized flanker (forward, maybe back, depending on team needs and coaching styles) or winger who is able to deliver into the forward line or out of the backline with precision and be very damaging, as well as moving cleanly through congestion. IMO creative kicking and decision making should be a feature, but he will be a good tackler and pressure creator as well, and good number of marks due to being a good reader of the play. Because of his decision making and movement in congestion, I wouldn't be totally surprised if he moves into the middle depending on whether the team that drafts him has options there or not and how much he develops physically within the five years. On the other hand, he might be a back-pocket or half forward flank that assists the team, particularly if he is set back health wise with the glandular fever and/or other injuries early on in the career. Clark apparently hasn't done a proper pre-season at any level yet because of cricket interests, so there is large scope to improve everything very quickly through improvement of fitness.

Butters - Another player that projects in five years as a forward flanker or wing who uses their speed to counterattack via link handballing or kicking for goal. I expect him to be characterized by speed and agility combination, whilst his kicking will possibly be seen as good and neat rather than elite. I don't think he will play out of the middle as his size is a bit physically small, but he may do bursts as part of rotations. He also won't be a marking player at AFL level but his natural stye is to crumb anyway, for which his style and tools are suited. He could be a top 20 player for his team in five years, or he might not be around in five years.

Stocker - In five years I see him as someone that alternates between the forward half and playing in the centre square and provides on-field leadership. Will fly the flag for his team and coach, and could be part of a leadership team within that space of time, and will add value in that space; do not underestimate how much clubs will value this side of his character. I think he is a good mark due to build and a bit of burst speed, and that will add value in the forward line or other utility roles. Powerful kick, but consistency may be tested in an AFL environment and it might just be considered adequate rather than a weapon. Whether he is playing in the middle will depend on how well he can build up his endurance and the competition; you would back him to improve the former with a good sports science team and full time environment, and a good bill of health (the latter is probably more important as his academy background would have provided some leg up on the former to date). Will be around in five years, but worst case might be a fringe utility player that comes in and out.

In terms of being in the best 22 next year, I can see Clark and Stocker having a good chance at being there at the end of the year, Butters maybe more 40/60% by the end of the year. I would back Clark to be very dangerous at WAFL level, mainly because he was already this year and barring injury / illness you would back him to get even better if he does even manage only part of a pre-season.

Great stuff! Would you mind doing the same for Hill please?

 

[Ysaye]

Great stuff! Would you mind doing the same for Hill please?

Hill - In five years time, I think Hill is most likely an electric forward pocket / half forward flanker, particularly if he can get over the shoulder injuries and build up the strength to be a stronger tackler. He probably has the best speed and agility combo in the draft, is an extremely quick and aggressive decision maker and is a reasonably consistent flat kick, if not overly long or accurate. This will mean that if he is remotely free around the 50m arc with the ball he will be a chance to score or get it to someone who can, and I expect will kick decent packets of goals. If he succeeds as a forward role, I suspect he will have built up significantly more muscle and bulk than he currently has and will have in his first few years, and that will allow him to really impact contests and add more defensively to his team and bring players down in tackles without giving away frees for in the back. I think there is also a reasonable chance that he may not have succeeded as a forward (maybe due to not being able to compete well in the air) and end up as more a half back flanker to wing in particular teams, as this would allow him to use his speed more and to slice through defences and not rely on him getting better at tackling that he will need to do to play the forward role. Regardless of where he plays he will need to keep a highly aggressive mindset and if he is there in five years time there will be times when he tries to do too much, but other times where it is going to be absolutely mercurial.

I think there is a need for Hill to get his body right and do a bit of work in the gym to overcome some of the challenges he fill find at an AFL level, so I see him as being a fringe player for most clubs for a few years and unlikely to be in a top 22 at the end of the first year.

 

[Scham]

Hill - In five years time, I think Hill is most likely an electric forward pocket / half forward flanker, particularly if he can get over the shoulder injuries and build up the strength to be a stronger tackler. He probably has the best speed and agility combo in the draft, is an extremely quick and aggressive decision maker and is a reasonably consistent flat kick, if not overly long or accurate. This will mean that if he is remotely free around the 50m arc with the ball he will be a chance to score or get it to someone who can, and I expect will kick decent packets of goals. If he succeeds as a forward role, I suspect he will have built up significantly more muscle and bulk than he currently has and will have in his first few years, and that will allow him to really impact contests and add more defensively to his team and bring players down in tackles without giving away frees for in the back. I think there is also a reasonable chance that he may not have succeeded as a forward (maybe due to not being able to compete well in the air) and end up as more a half back flanker to wing in particular teams, as this would allow him to use his speed more and to slice through defences and not rely on him getting better at tackling that he will need to do to play the forward role. Regardless of where he plays he will need to keep a highly aggressive mindset and if he is there in five years time there will be times when he tries to do too much, but other times where it is going to be absolutely mercurial.

I think there is a need for Hill to get his body right and do a bit of work in the gym to overcome some of the challenges he fill find at an AFL level, so I see him as being a fringe player for most clubs for a few years and unlikely to be in a top 22 at the end of the first year.

Excellent work as usual. Thanks. Do you have a player comparison in mind for what he’ll eventually be? I’m thinking Davey from a few years back?

 

[Wilksyy]

Clark - Projects as a classy (very good to top quality) medium sized flanker (forward, maybe back, depending on team needs and coaching styles) or winger who is able to deliver into the forward line or out of the backline with precision and be very damaging, as well as moving cleanly through congestion. IMO creative kicking and decision making should be a feature, but he will be a good tackler and pressure creator as well, and good number of marks due to being a good reader of the play. Because of his decision making and movement in congestion, I wouldn't be totally surprised if he moves into the middle depending on whether the team that drafts him has options there or not and how much he develops physically within the five years. On the other hand, he might be a back-pocket or half forward flank that assists the team, particularly if he is set back health wise with the glandular fever and/or other injuries early on in the career. Clark apparently hasn't done a proper pre-season at any level yet because of cricket interests, so there is large scope to improve everything very quickly through improvement of fitness.

Butters - Another player that projects in five years as a forward flanker or wing who uses their speed to counterattack via link handballing or kicking for goal. I expect him to be characterized by speed and agility combination, whilst his kicking will possibly be seen as good and neat rather than elite. I don't think he will play out of the middle as his size is a bit physically small, but he may do bursts as part of rotations. He also won't be a marking player at AFL level but his natural stye is to crumb anyway, for which his style and tools are suited. He could be a top 20 player for his team in five years, or he might not be around in five years.

Stocker - In five years I see him as someone that alternates between the forward half and playing in the centre square and provides on-field leadership. Will fly the flag for his team and coach, and could be part of a leadership team within that space of time, and will add value in that space; do not underestimate how much clubs will value this side of his character. I think he is a good mark due to build and a bit of burst speed, and that will add value in the forward line or other utility roles. Powerful kick, but consistency may be tested in an AFL environment and it might just be considered adequate rather than a weapon. Whether he is playing in the middle will depend on how well he can build up his endurance and the competition; you would back him to improve the former with a good sports science team and full time environment, and a good bill of health (the latter is probably more important as his academy background would have provided some leg up on the former to date). Will be around in five years, but worst case might be a fringe utility player that comes in and out.

In terms of being in the best 22 next year, I can see Clark and Stocker having a good chance at being there at the end of the year, Butters maybe more 40/60% by the end of the year. I would back Clark to be very dangerous at WAFL level, mainly because he was already this year and barring injury / illness you would back him to get even better if he does even manage only part of a pre-season.

Great stuff. I think Clark can slide in to Blakely's former role too.

 

[theGav56]

Great stuff. I think Clark can slide in to Blakely's former role too.

With Logue coming back in and Duman emerging, I am hoping we can get by in the backline, and pump up the attack a little more.

 

[Dale147]

Hey lads, wait until Thursday, all will be revealed. You’re like kids in a candy shop.

 

[apuchar]

I must admit I would love to get McHenry, Lads and Ladies

FREMANTLE

Draft picks: 14, 31, 43, 65, 81

The type of player they should target: Midfielder

The Dockers added tall timber during trade period by bringing in Jesse Hogan and Rory Lobb. They should be able to snare two classy midfielders with their first two selections and will look right across Australia for the best players possible. Vic Country pair Ned McHenry and Xavier Duursma are two who will come into the Dockers’ thoughts at Pick 14, while a local player like Luke Foley and Durak Tucker could be considered with their other selections.

 

[mightymouse75]

Wouldnt have a problem with getting a plug n play. Full steam ahead next year.

 

[mightymouse75]

Hill may be short. But no one will ever have shorter arms than dan rich.

 

[more_of_bito]

12 months is a long time.

I was arguing against Hill at 6 due to his height or other options. Seem like a stretch at the time.

Now I’m arguing for Hill at 14.

Things do change.

I think we are agreeing?. Except I don’t think much has changed.

IMO Hill was a stretch at 6,back then, then drifted out to back end of 1st round draft this year. but still a strong , best available, meets needs, value choice at 14 for Freos first pick.

 

[nurries]

Wouldnt have a problem with getting a plug n play. Full steam ahead next year.

Yep would be happy with a stocker type

 

[ChimpaWompa]

Buckenara has Butters at 10 in his top 50