Pick 30

[knightwheelrqr]

I think i'm just a bit more pessimistic on some of our KPP than some people are in here. I never really took into consideration Leigh Brown or Thoolen as I don't believe we will ever be a true contender with players of their quality in a KPD post. Goldsack is an interesting one and a player I had considered but given the fact he was recruited as a mature age recruit and has had 3-4 years in the system at the same build i'm not confident he will ever fill out enough to be a true KPD. Although point taken that he does provide decent depth. The other point about taking KPP is that they take 3-4 years before they are AFL ready. We know Presti will retire in 1-2 years so it makes sense to draft a KPP this year so he can benefit from several years in the system before being needed. This is particularly significant given the upcoming compromised drafts where it will be difficult to recruit these players.

I see your point too about in and under mids but again unless they are established players (Ball/Tuck/Harris etc) then a first year player wont address that issue next year. In the future I am very optimistic about our inside mids with Pendles, Beams, Sidebottom, McCarthy, Wellingham, Macaffer so I don't see the benefit of another inside mid as a top priority - unless of course they are mature/experienced players like Ball. Actually I see a greater need for an outside mid on our list in the future (maybe Harding would be worth a look late in the draft??).

One thing I can say, is that during the trading period you might have picked up a hint from Nick Maxwell where he backed his forwardline and explained that there is plenty of depth there and that he has full faith in them. I don't think this is just his opinion but I would also suggest the opinion of the club. Before this point in time I would have agreed that a key position was necessary, but after reannalysing the list I tend to agree with Nick.

On that hint, just be prepaired that it is unlikely that with Pick 30 we will go key position (forward atleast).

So guys like Nat Fyfe (medium forward), Ryan Harwood (inside mid) and even Jasper McMillan-Pittard (creative backman), Andrew Hooper (small backman) could be more within our draft calculations.

 

[Quicky]

One thing I can say, is that during the trading period you might have picked up a hint from Nick Maxwell where he backed his forwardline and explained that there is plenty of depth there and that he has full faith in them. I don't think this is just his opinion but I would also suggest the opinion of the club. Before this point in time I would have agreed that a key position was necessary, but after reannalysing the list I tend to agree with Nick.

On that hint, just be prepaired that it is unlikely that with Pick 30 we will go key position (forward atleast).

So guys like Nat Fyfe (medium forward), Ryan Harwood (inside mid) and even Jasper McMillan-Pittard (creative backman), Andrew Hooper (small backman) could be more within our draft calculations.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be at all surprised if we didn't go KP at 30. In a weak draft it is a little late to be stubborn about picking on a needs basis. It will likely be best available. However if Panos in particular was available i'd hope we have a crack at getting him (unless Ball or Welsh were available at 30). Also personally I didn't read too much into Maxwells comments. He was just sticking up for his teammates which is his responsibility as captain. I don't think they give any great insight into the clubs thoughts on our list or on our drafting strategy. If we don't go Ball/Welsh or KP at 30 i'd hope we look at a quick mid with damaging disposal skills. Who do you think like that will likely be available at 30??

 

[TradeDraft]

From Snoops Mock:

# 30 – Collingwood
Alex Carey / Glenelg / 181cm / 79kg

Carey is an AFL / AIS graduate and is a very good cricketer as well. Strong build and very physical player who excels around the contest and is very courageous. Like many others in this draft has really good contested possession capability and his work around the clearances, particularly by hand, are exceptional. Can have a tendency to overplay the release but for the main part is very good. I think the knock on him is how much development is left in him and also whether he has the engine for the midfield at AFL level. Could be a ‘slider’ so am a bit nervous around this pick.
Others that might be considered here: I think the draft quality tapers around #25 so anything that’s gone above here would be terrific for the Pies. Realistically one of Fitzpatrick, Griffiths, Bartlett or Carey would be sensational. Thomas is a chance but not convinced he is worth # 30.


# 62 – Collingwood
Serhat Temel / Calder Cannons / 194cm / 89kg

Suspect there is quite a bit of interest in this kid and not sure where he will land in the main draft.....if at all. I think there is something worth punting on here though. Big fwd who is probably best suited to FF but could go CHF if he improved his speed off the mark and endurance. Was tried down back this year with the Cannons and had no impact and was then transitioned fwd where he took off. Got better and better as season progressed and finished with a really good finals series and GF. Massive set of hands and a really good contested grab. Kicking is a feature and could be a player of real promise. The knock for me on him is that he didn’t play on a lot of big bodies at TAC this year and I wonder how he will go against bigger bodies. Be interested in his 20m sprint #s because they may tell the tale of whether a club takes him or not.

Others that might be considered here: At # 62 I think it will be a tall and Temel is the best available but not much splits him from a McDonald. Pretty sure it would be a fwd. If they hit a Fitzpatrick or Griffiths at # 30 then I would be hoping Ledin had fallen to here or any of Ah Chee, Taylor, Sewell or Page of those left.

# 78 – Collingwood
Claye Beams / Labrador / 182cm / 78kg or Daniel Harris / North Melbourne

Havent seen Claye but is a roughie to be taken around here but he has appointed his agent and so must be somewhat confident of either going to a club in the national draft or being rookie listed by GC. Tough choice for the Pies as Claye is probably more a rookie selection but clearly would help diffuse Dayne going back if the younger bro was down here. Rookie listing is going to be hard (and assuming is old enough as unsure if he is) because that would allow GC to be all over him and most likely prevent him from getting to the Pies. Claye is an outstanding young cricketer who if doesnt play AFL will potentially end up playing for QLD or even Vic as there was some talk he was signing down here. Only really stepped back into AFL this year after seeing brother Dayne go so well and played a number of reserves (4) and senior games (6) for Labrador where his results were good for someone with such little recent footy – he wasn’t even on the roster at the start of the year and only asked for a game in May! After playing 6 senior games went back to the reserves so he could qualify for the reserves finals side and showcase his game a little more. He is a midfield type who from all reports plays like his brother in that he is tough at the contest, has good endurance, neat skills and finishes well in front of goals and ultimately could play a variety of positions around the flanks. This is your genuine smoky!
Other that may be looked at: Also wouldn’t be surprised to see Daniel Harris get taken around here or even a Myles Sewell would be interesting or a Scott Taylor from NT. Howlett from WA was probably one I was keen on at a point to.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647838

 

[danielnajdek]

^^^^ Wouldn't be a bad result for us but i would prefer thomas at pick 30 even though i haven't seen him in action he sounds like a promising prospect

 

[knightwheelrqr]

From Snoops Mock:



http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=647838

Pick 30: Alex Carey
He could very well be available at pick 62...

If Gsyberts was available at 30 we would snap him up because he is a 15-25 quality guy. Can play as an inside and outside mid. Excellent disposal and not sure why in this mock draft he would not be picked up higher!?

Travis Colyer I would rate a 20-28 guy. Quality small who has rediculous pace. Small forward but could alos be used as a possibly small back option.

Otherwise Josh Thomas definately I would rate well ahead of Carey.

Fyfe also is growing on me as another option, same with Harwood.



Temel at 62 and Beams at 78 is fine.

Just with Pick 62 if Jasper McMillan-Pittard is available we would snap him up instead! 2nd round quality who I expect will go to Geelong at pick 28.
Roland Ah Chee also available in this draft at pick 62. He would be a wonderful outside player who can also play inside. Terific work rate and should in reality go in the 30s, but could perhaps drop, just I don't expact this far.

 

[TradeDraft]

Pick 30: Alex Carey
He could very well be available at pick 62...

If Gsyberts was available at 30 we would snap him up because he is a 15-25 quality guy. Can play as an inside and outside mid. Excellent disposal and not sure why in this mock draft he would not be picked up higher!?

Travis Colyer I would rate a 20-28 guy. Quality small who has rediculous pace. Small forward but could alos be used as a possibly small back option.

Otherwise Josh Thomas definately I would rate well ahead of Carey.

Fyfe also is growing on me as another option, same with Harwood.



Temel at 62 and Beams at 78 is fine.

Just with Pick 62 if Jasper McMillan-Pittard is available we would snap him up instead! 2nd round quality who I expect will go to Geelong at pick 28.
Roland Ah Chee also available in this draft at pick 62. He would be a wonderful outside player who can also play inside. Terific work rate and should in reality go in the 30s, but could perhaps drop, just I don't expact this far.

Prefer we get a Tall or 2 in this Draft.

Ah Chee would be good in the Draft