Pick 5

[Radical Roo]

Agreed, top quality KP players are much hard to find. Good mids come much more frequently also they might come from non mid origins like Aker (back pocket), McLeod (bp) and Didak (hff).

 

[CrazyQ]

We have to get a key forward. I've been thinking about this all week. Tarrant may not come up and Smith and Wundke arent going to be anything special. We are left with Petrie being the only good forward and he'll be out the door in 4-5 years.

We need to draft Butcher.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

As i've stated in another thread i still think we should go after A mid in the first round. Most of the Mids their this year are too good to pass up. Butcher, i can pass on simply because he has failed to live up to expectations. I've heard that he was playing injured but if thats the case then he shouln't have been playing.

If we get pick 25 and say Thorp for Gibson, we will only really need to draft 2 KP's from this years draft. I'd look at getting one at pick 21 or 25 depending on whats available and then one in the 3rd round. The KP stocks aren't as bad as everyone thinks. Just need to look a little deeper.

Just look at Serhant Temel and Sean Tighe for example. Both big guys with excellent hands, who failed to make a mark at Vic Metro. But yet they towelled it up week in week out at TAC level. If we could get one of these sort of guys in the 3rd or 4th round I think we will be in business.

I'd take Martin, Lucas, Marobito, or Cunnington before i took Butcher. Thats just my two cents. The midfield is more important than the forward line..You only have to look at the Dogs to figure that out. They've made the top 4 the last 2-3 years without a real Key forward. We still have potential guns in Robbie Tarrant and Nathan O'Keefe. O'Keefe's end of year form should get people excited.

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

Maybe you should get some facts straight before you post your negative, uninformed, rubbish responses.

Sheppard started as a forward, has played across the midfield for East Fremantle, and back for the WA 18s

Oh, so your Sheppard snr...

Well, if you read back at what was said, there was nothing negative about my comments, but then your insinuations says alot about you, Ted.

Your sons not worth pick 5, get over it.

 

[__aria__]

lol nick ur a bit grumpy lately bro

 

[AGC]

Oh, so your Sheppard snr...

Well, if you read back at what was said, there was nothing negative about my comments, but then your insinuations says alot about you, Ted.

Your sons not worth pick 5, get over it.

Mate, you said we didn't need another HBF'er. Ted rightly pointed out that Sheppard is more than a HBF'er, and he has the scope to run through the midfield, as he has done at senior level. For what it's worth, if a club selected him from the top 10, I wouldn't be surprised, he's an incredibly good player and one that if we were to get say Melbourne's 2nd rounder, I'd gladly hope we get. That said, i'd hope we;d choose a different player with our first rounder, purely on the basis that I think the options with the likes of Martin, Cunnington, Morabito, Stevens and Duncan are probably better.

 

[King Hansen]

As i've stated in another thread i still think we should go after A mid in the first round. Most of the Mids their this year are too good to pass up. Butcher, i can pass on simply because he has failed to live up to expectations. I've heard that he was playing injured but if thats the case then he shouln't have been playing.

If we get pick 25 and say Thorp for Gibson, we will only really need to draft 2 KP's from this years draft. I'd look at getting one at pick 21 or 25 depending on whats available and then one in the 3rd round. The KP stocks aren't as bad as everyone thinks. Just need to look a little deeper.

Just look at Serhant Temel and Sean Tighe for example. Both big guys with excellent hands, who failed to make a mark at Vic Metro. But yet they towelled it up week in week out at TAC level. If we could get one of these sort of guys in the 3rd or 4th round I think we will be in business.

I'd take Martin, Lucas, Marobito, or Cunnington before i took Butcher. Thats just my two cents. The midfield is more important than the forward line..You only have to look at the Dogs to figure that out. They've made the top 4 the last 2-3 years without a real Key forward. We still have potential guns in Robbie Tarrant and Nathan O'Keefe. O'Keefe's end of year form should get people excited.

This is a bad example for your argument. The Dogs almost prove why Key forwards are more important than a good midfield. The lack of one is why they have to advanced into the GF in the last 2-3 years. and i think wanting and getting Barry Hall backs up the fact they think they NEED a quality forwad.

O'Keefe is only 188cm. Im not sure he will reach the 196cm like a Buddy or Tarrant. So O'Keefe is probably more of a 3rd tall.


I do agree when you say this midfield group looks good. I would love Martin with pick 5. But such a strong midfield draft may indicate some quality mids will last till pick 21.

 

[Absolute Gun]

As i've stated in another thread i still think we should go after A mid in the first round. Most of the Mids their this year are too good to pass up. Butcher, i can pass on simply because he has failed to live up to expectations. I've heard that he was playing injured but if thats the case then he shouln't have been playing.

If we get pick 25 and say Thorp for Gibson, we will only really need to draft 2 KP's from this years draft. I'd look at getting one at pick 21 or 25 depending on whats available and then one in the 3rd round. The KP stocks aren't as bad as everyone thinks. Just need to look a little deeper.

Just look at Serhant Temel and Sean Tighe for example. Both big guys with excellent hands, who failed to make a mark at Vic Metro. But yet they towelled it up week in week out at TAC level. If we could get one of these sort of guys in the 3rd or 4th round I think we will be in business.

I'd take Martin, Lucas, Marobito, or Cunnington before i took Butcher. Thats just my two cents. The midfield is more important than the forward line..You only have to look at the Dogs to figure that out. They've made the top 4 the last 2-3 years without a real Key forward. We still have potential guns in Robbie Tarrant and Nathan O'Keefe. O'Keefe's end of year form should get people excited.

Yeah and what is keeping the dogs from winning a premiership......

I say we draft Butcher because good Midfielders come very often we can pick them up with 2nd 3rd Round Picks. How often does a good power forward come around .

Look at the great power forwards in the AFL.
Brown, Fevola, Pavlich, Franklin, Roughead, Riewoldt maybe Bradshaw.

Look at the great midfielders in the AFL.
Judd, Black, Ablett, Bartel, Corey, Dal Santo, Hayes, Montagna, Mitchell, Hodge, Sewell, Murphy, Gibbs, Swan, Vince, Watson, Goodes, Kirk, Deledio, Boyd, Cross, Cooney.

You can see that midfielders come more regularly than Power Forwards.
Have a look at the Top 8 4/7 of the Power Forwards are in the top 8 except Hawthorn who won it last year and Fremantle who are Fremantle.

Premierships since 2000.
2000. Lloyd, Lucas
2001. Lynch, Brown
2002. Lynch, Brown
2003. Lynch, Brown
2004. Tredrea
2005. Hall
2006.
2007. Mooney
2008. Franklin, Roughead
2009. Riewoldt or Mooney

So it is worth to take a risk for a power forward because you can see if it pays off they can win you premierships.

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

lol nick ur a bit grumpy lately bro

Tell me about it.

Mate, you said we didn't need another HBF'er. Ted rightly pointed out that Sheppard is more than a HBF'er, and he has the scope to run through the midfield, as he has done at senior level. For what it's worth, if a club selected him from the top 10, I wouldn't be surprised, he's an incredibly good player and one that if we were to get say Melbourne's 2nd rounder, I'd gladly hope we get. That said, i'd hope we;d choose a different player with our first rounder, purely on the basis that I think the options with the likes of Martin, Cunnington, Morabito, Stevens and Duncan are probably better.

Yeah, well, the way Ted went about it, wouldn't be well received if he keeps that attitude up. I replied to a Pies poster, that poster made it clear Sheppard was a HBF'r, so i just dually stated we have enough of those types. Now if his a versatile sort of player and can play in a few different roles, thats great, but you would have to agree that we have enough of those types at our club?

Nothing against Sheppard, but he isn't what we need. We need a star midfielder.

 

[AGC]

Tell me about it.



Yeah, well, the way Ted went about it wouldn't be well received if he keeps it up, i replied to a Pies poster, that poster made it clear that Sheppard was a HBF'r, so i just dually stated we have enough of those types. Now if his a versatile sort of player and can play in a few different roles, thats great, but you would have to agree that we have enough of those types at our club?

Nothing against Sheppard, but he isn't what we need. We need a star midfielder.

GAblett Jnr started off as a forward, Jesse was primarily played in the defence, and there's plenty more examples. Brad is playing senior footy, and in my eyes is incredible efficient. He may not have the "cleanness" of a Taspcott or Martin in kicking, but he makes good decisions, and hits the targets when required. Once in an afl system there's definitely scope for him to be a midfielder. Not a hard nut I wouldn't have thought, but an outside midfielder or sweeper type player.
I rate other available mids above him, but I have no doubt that he'll be a extremely good midfielder and would not at all be surprised to see him go to the Eagles.

 

[__aria__]

i would say sheppard is definitely cleaner than tapscott with his kicking
tapscott has great penetration but thats about it from what i have seen at sanfl level
burns the ball regularly

 

[roos_fanatic08]

We can develop a power forward, if we pick up 2 KP's in this years draft. One in the 2nd round and one in the third round, then we will have Wundke, Smith, Tarrant, Petrie, O'Keefe, Pick 25 or 21 and our third round pick. If one of those players can't make it as a permanant FF then we have something seriously wrong. KP players are a risk, and its a risk that I'm not willing to take with pick 5. Especially when you have the likes of Martin and Cunnington to pick from. Thats just my opinion. Butcher would take at least 3-4 development and there's no guarantee he'll make it, just like Tarrant, whereas with a player like Martin you know your going to have a 200 game player in hands.

 

[Ted]

Oh, so your Sheppard snr...

Well, if you read back at what was said, there was nothing negative about my comments, but then your insinuations says alot about you, Ted.

Your sons not worth pick 5, get over it.

You are making even less sense than usual.

1. You respond to a perfectly reasonable and informative post with "Blah, blah, blah", swearing and suggestions of trolling - but that's not negative?

2. I've never suggested we should take Sheppard, let alone with pick 5.

3. If the insinuations that say a lot about me are insinuations that you are an idiot then you may have actually picked up something accurately this week.

 

[Ted]

Tell me about it.



Yeah, well, the way Ted went about it, wouldn't be well received if he keeps that attitude up. I replied to a Pies poster, that poster made it clear Sheppard was a HBF'r, so i just dually stated we have enough of those types. Now if his a versatile sort of player and can play in a few different roles, thats great, but you would have to agree that we have enough of those types at our club?

Nothing against Sheppard, but he isn't what we need. We need a star midfielder.

4. The post from Dunn - Well Done said "will be groomed as a midfielder who starts his career as a HBF. He can play anywhere." How does that make it clear that he is a HBF'r?

5. Again, I never suggested we should draft him.

 

[Ted]

We can develop a power forward, if we pick up 2 KP's in this years draft. One in the 2nd round and one in the third round, then we will have Wundke, Smith, Tarrant, Petrie, O'Keefe, Pick 25 or 21 and our third round pick. If one of those players can't make it as a permanant FF then we have something seriously wrong. KP players are a risk, and its a risk that I'm not willing to take with pick 5. Especially when you have the likes of Martin and Cunnington to pick from. Thats just my opinion. Butcher would take at least 3-4 development and there's no guarantee he'll make it, just like Tarrant, whereas with a player like Martin you know your going to have a 200 game player in hands.

Totally agree that it's too risky going for a key forward with the first pick. I don't think Wundke or Smith will be any good and we will be desperate for another decent big forward over the next couple of years, especially if Tarrant doesn't come through. But if we can get everything else in place with a strong set of mids then we can always trade for a key forward like we have successfully in the past if later picks don't work out or none of our young blokes come through.

 

[Rich01]

In rank of who I would want at the club:

1. Tom Scully
2. Jack Trengove
3. Dustin Martin
4. Ben Cunnington
5. Kane Lucas
6. Gary Rohan
7. John Butcher
8. Anthony Morabito
9. Koby Stevens

This is how I rank them:

1. Tom Scully - Given, good workrate, good clearance player, good disposal.
2. Jack Trengove - More well rounded than Scully for mine (kicks goals, better kick). Hope he drops.
3. Dustin Martin - The elite kick in the draft. Wouldn't be out of place in the top 2. A ball magnet, averaged 27 possessions in the 10 full TAC cup games he played this year.
4. Anthony Morabito - His youtube footage doesn't do him justice. If he can develop into a Goodes 20 possession 2 goal high impact player he will be the pick of the draft. High risk, high reward. Won't last past Freo's pick. Question is, will Richmond take the risk?
5. Gary Rohan - See him as a Steve Johnson style player. Gamebreaker. I rate Mora over him just because of his versatility and ability to win his own ball.
6. Ben Cunnington - Hard nut. Zielbell type. Absolutely committed to his career (you know it won't be through lack of trying that he doesn't succeed).
7. John Butcher - Gee I wish this guy had a better 09. Would have gone top 5 in 08 on his form last year. Lacks the smarts and skill to be elite. Has the body, which will appeal to clubs seeing him as a stay at home FF.
8. Zac Ledin - My smokey this year for top ten. Fantastic ball winner (2nd in TAC cup disposal ave) and good clearance player. V Good disposal efficiency. Think J Lewis at the same age but a good kick. Hope he drops to the Tiger's second pick.
9. Koby Stevens - Struck down by OP this year. Hard to rate.
10. Kane Lucas - Admit I haven't seen him live. Apparently not as good a kick as reported.


10 pretty good kids. Top 5 are standouts for mine. If the Kangas didn't have a specific need in mind, they would just choose the left over player. However, the bottom five will be good too.

Just my opinion.

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

You are making even less sense than usual.

Oh, real nice. Your just digging a big hole for yourself.

1. You respond to a perfectly reasonable and informative post with "Blah, blah, blah", swearing and suggestions of trolling - but that's not negative?

No, and if your actually on BF enough you would know whats negative and whats not.

Also, what has it got to do with you anyway? I wasn't replying to anything you had posted.

2. I've never suggested we should take Sheppard, let alone with pick 5.

Sounded like you were his father, just go back and read your response and you'll see what i mean.

3. If the insinuations that say a lot about me are insinuations that you are an idiot then you may have actually picked up something accurately this week.

You would also know that some of the stuff you have posted in your above post could be seen as offensive, in fact it is offensive, to me.

Also, just to add, when your calling someone negative next time make sure your not a negative poster yourself first, because it really makes you look hypocritical, like now.

 

[Ted]

I promise never to respond to your posts again.

 

[bootz79]

Pretty simple I think, take butcher if he is their, get a second round and thorpe
for Gibson . Draft a least two midfielder with 2 2nd or the 3rd rounder depending on rating order. Martin if butcher is gone. Need to take best available, best way to draft in top 2 rounds. Maybe try to swap 2 2nd rounder plus hale for port pick 9 they will get from hawks.

 

[year of the roo]

Oh, real nice. Your just digging a big hole for yourself.



No, and if your actually on BF enough you would know whats negative and whats not.

Also, what has it got to do with you anyway? I wasn't replying to anything you had posted.




Sounded like you were his father, just go back and read your response and you'll see what i mean.



You would also know that some of the stuff you have posted in your above post could be seen as offensive, in fact it is offensive, to me.

Also, just to add, when your calling someone negative next time make sure your not a negative poster yourself first, because it really makes you look hypocritical, like now.

Oh geez Nick, you should have quit while you were behind. You're embarassing yourself now.

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

I promise never to respond to your posts again.

Oh geez Nick, you should have quit while you were behind. You're embarassing yourself now.

Really? Whys that?

 

[year of the roo]

Really? Whys that?

By keeping on replying...

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

By keeping on replying...

I'm bored.

 

[bellzy]

I'm bored.

Bellzy. Nice to meet you.

 

[r_boy]

If Butcher is there we must get him. Definitely like AGC's argument at the moment.