Pick 8?

[Richo83]

Wondering what people think that Richmond will do with their first pick (8) at this year's highly rated national draft.

Will it be another midfielder, or a KPP?

Our midfield list is:

Casserly
Deledio
Foley
Meyer
Polo
Roach (likely to go)
Humm (ditto)
Howart
White
Tuck
Coughlan
Hyde
Tivendale
Johnson

These players can be rotated in the center at times:

Tambling
Raines
OK
Joel
Newman
Brown
Moore
Jackson
Hartigan

Our KPP:

Hughes
Limbach
McGuane
Patterson
Schulz
Thursfield
Patrick (plays like a third tall though)
Gaspar (Most likely to retire next year)
Hall
Richardson (Most likely to retire in the next 1-2 years)
Simmonds

Can't see us using pick 8 on a ruckman, small forward, small defender or anything like that.

 

[beaver's army]

Need a tall defender who will bulk up and have the ability to stand thier ground and not be out wrestled by an opponent.

 

[thunderlips]

Wondering what people think that Richmond will do with their first pick (8) at this year's highly rated national draft.

Will it be another midfielder, or a KPP?

Our midfield list is:

Casserly
Deledio
Foley
Meyer
Polo
Raines (likely to go)
Humm (ditto)
...

Don't you mean Roach???

 

[rota69]

I would only pick a midfielder if Gumbleton Hanson Thorp and Sellar are drafted before are pick.

My pick Is Selwood he will be a champion.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

i am refraining from voting, because i agree with picking the best available.

 

[tiger4life]

we will most likely pick an inside midfielder (eg. Proud, Selwood, possibly Hislop?) with our first pick unless a very good KPP falls to us (Sellar, Hansen, Gumbleton, Thorp).

If none of those four KPP fall to pick 8, we will most likely go for the inside midfielder, unless TW wants another tall utility such as benjamin, ruckman - leuenberger or thinks j.riewoldt is good enough to go at our first pick.

There is more point in waiting for KPP with our second pick, as if the top 4 go before our first pick, as is suspected, we should still be able to draft players such as A.Everitt and the Brown twins at our second pick.

 

[Richo83]

What if the "best available" was Jetta, very similar to Tambling? Would we pick up another small forward with blinding pace and skill, can kick a goal but is skinny, poses a risk to whoever drafts him and isn't the best defensively?

There is a reason why Sydney are premiers, and that's because unlike WC, they have a spine, and they have structure. Good FB (Barry) good running back (Kennely) good CHB (RT) okay center (Kirk, Bolton, Goodes) good ruck (Jolly) excellent CHF (Hall) and good FF (MOL). I'm not saying that we have to replicate them, but drafting the "best available" means that Richmond could become a very lopsided team.

And anyway, the last time we picked the "best available" we picked Tambling. Where did that get us?

 

[Drunken Wookie]

What if the "best available" was Jetta, very similar to Tambling? Would we pick up another small forward with blinding pace and skill, can kick a goal but is skinny, poses a risk to whoever drafts him and isn't the best defensively?

There is a reason why Sydney are premiers, and that's because unlike WC, they have a spine, and they have structure. Good FB (Barry) good running back (Kennely) good CHB (RT) okay center (Kirk, Bolton, Goodes) good ruck (Jolly) excellent CHF (Hall) and good FF (MOL). I'm not saying that we have to replicate them, but drafting the "best available" means that Richmond could become a very lopsided team.

And anyway, the last time we picked the "best available" we picked Tambling. Where did that get us?

Tambling will come good i guarantee it. he's fast, evasive, handles and marks the ball well and has a superhuman leap. he needs to work on a few things which are very fixable and when he picks them up he'll be the definition of the complete footballer. get excited.

 

[strauchy]

its time 2 pik the best kpp left. highly unlikely though

anyone got a profile of benjamin / hislop / riewoldt ,, im not sure of these guys but i guess these 3 r players we might get. i hav a feelin that benjamin is a dud like oakley nicholls

 

[Bentleigh]

dud like oakley nicholls

He has only just turned 18 years of age..

But yes, without doubt he's a dud.

Time to delist him.

 

[Calcium Man]

What if the "best available" was Jetta, very similar to Tambling? Would we pick up another small forward with blinding pace and skill, can kick a goal but is skinny, poses a risk to whoever drafts him and isn't the best defensively?

There is a reason why Sydney are premiers, and that's because unlike WC, they have a spine, and they have structure. Good FB (Barry) good running back (Kennely) good CHB (RT) okay center (Kirk, Bolton, Goodes) good ruck (Jolly) excellent CHF (Hall) and good FF (MOL). I'm not saying that we have to replicate them, but drafting the "best available" means that Richmond could become a very lopsided team.

And anyway, the last time we picked the "best available" we picked Tambling. Where did that get us?

Tambling will be a superstar. And part of what everybody liked was that he could tackle and was very defensive with the brilliance. As for where it got us, it got us a player in his second year after an injury interrupted first year. Maybe we should give him a couple of preseasons before we make judgement. We used pick 9 on Kayne Pettifer and look where that got us??

If we become a lopsided team we trade our extras for what we need. Thats what freo will do with Polak because they have a plethora of tall defenders.

 

[Bentleigh]

And anyway, the last time we picked the "best available" we picked Tambling. Where did that get us?

"best available"? What a rubbish expression.

I'd love to know how Tambling was "best available" over Franklin.

A stupid expression as the players as 17 year olds are not numbered #1, #2, #3 and its impossibile to tell who is going to be a better player seven years down the track.

Selwood, Proud, Sellar or Leuenberger? Oh lets take the "best available"?

 

[Calcium Man]

its time 2 pik the best kpp left. highly unlikely though

anyone got a profile of benjamin / hislop / riewoldt ,, im not sure of these guys but i guess these 3 r players we might get. i hav a feelin that benjamin is a dud like oakley nicholls

Must be school Holidays!!

Riewoldt will be the best KPP player left, unless we are extremely lucky, i dont know whether he can do that or not i havent seen him play. But we dont exactly need a key forward, we have Schulz, Hughes, Limbach and Mcguane. We need a defender but we wont waste a high pick on that when we can get an Everitt, Mackenzie or one of the browns at our 2nd or 3rd pick.

As for JON being a dud what are you basing that one. That he got injured?? He has had one season FFS!! Do you remember the first game against Essendon?? Polo really dominated, and JON didnt do much but he did take a player on and kick the winning point in a really tense game. That shows he has confidence and will back himself and it also shows his talent. Give the kid a chance, not everybody is a deledio or polo!

 

[Bentleigh]

Must be school Holidays!!

Riewoldt will be the best KPP player left, unless we are extremely lucky, i dont know whether he can do that or not i havent seen him play.

Seen abit of him - I am not impressed by Riewoldt. Don't want him with our first pick.

But we dont exactly need a key forward,

Of course we do ! What have you been smoking?

As good as Richo is he is 47 and not going to be around much longer, more so if we play him @ CHF another years.

I would give your right nut for a Gumbleton or Thorp! (or in past drafts Kennedy or Roughead).

We are crying out for a gun long term CHF.

we have Schulz,

Schultz will be a FF if he makes it as a forward line player IMO.

Prefer the square, suits him much more than roaming around the 50.

Hughes,

Isn't a true CHF.

More a Ash Hansen (WCE), Chris Tarrent (Coll) type, leading, uncontested mark forward flanker type.

This is not a bad thing thought - perhaps this is the kind of player Plough wants for our future CHF, ie. how Hansen is the link from defence to attack while big Lynch is a machine comming out of the square (our verison of Richo or future Schultz).

Limbach

God help us if we are pinning our hopes on Limbach to make it as a key forward.

At very best will be a handy forward pocket/3rd forward.

and Mcguane.

Doesn't have the talent to make it as a Key forward.

Being grommed as a back.

We need a defender but we wont waste a high pick on that when we can get an Everitt, Mackenzie or one of the browns at our 2nd or 3rd pick.

From the little I've seen of Eric McKenzie he looks a player.

Could think of worst selections at 8. Will be drafted top 20 IMO.

As for JON being a dud what are you basing that one. That he got injured?? He has had one season FFS!! Do you remember the first game against Essendon?? Polo really dominated, and JON didnt do much but he did take a player on and kick the winning point in a really tense game. That shows he has confidence and will back himself and it also shows his talent. Give the kid a chance, not everybody is a deledio or polo!

From memory, Polo started (and struggled) in the Coburg 2's.

 

[Calcium Man]

From memory, Polo started (and struggled) in the Coburg 2's.

Yeah well, he is a gun!

What i meant by a forward was that it wasnt an absolute priority. If Gumbleton, Sellar, Hansen (More of CHB) or Thorp fell i would want us to take them in heart beat. But they wont be so lets get another good midfielder to increase its potential and not go for KPP for the sake of it.

 

[strauchy]

Must be school Holidays!!

As for JON being a dud what are you basing that one. That he got injured?? He has had one season FFS!! Do you remember the first game against Essendon?? Polo really dominated, and JON didnt do much but he did take a player on and kick the winning point in a really tense game. That shows he has confidence and will back himself and it also shows his talent. Give the kid a chance, not everybody is a deledio or polo!

ok mate, lets see how many games this guy plays next yr,, so far hes dun nothin but thats understandable in his 1st yr,,, next yr he will be the same,!

 

[Bentleigh]

Yeah well, he is a gun!

My oath.

Yet he wasn't super impressive stright away; struggled with his first pre-season, started Coburg 2's.

Not dissimilar to JON.

What i meant by a forward was that it wasnt an absolute priority. If Gumbleton, Sellar, Hansen (More of CHB) or Thorp fell i would want us to take them in heart beat. But they wont be so lets get another good midfielder to increase its potential and not go for KPP for the sake of it.

1st Round: Sellwood
2nd Round: (one of) Riewoldt/Benjamin/Mackenzie/Reid

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[Bentleigh]

ok mate, lets see how many games this guy plays next yr,, so far hes dun nothin but thats understandable in his 1st yr,,, next yr he will be the same,!

At the end of next year he will be 19.. He was always going to be a long term prospect.

Very bottom age, very raw, with heaps of upside - mostly athletic freak and yet 190 cms tall & exacly what Wallace wants.

Highly rated by Joel Bowden, infact hinted him being Andy Kellaways replacment next season.

Calm down.

 

[tiger4life]

My oath.

Yet he wasn't super impressive stright away; struggled with his first pre-season, started Coburg 2's.

Not dissimilar to JON.



1st Round: Sellwood
2nd Round: (one of) Riewoldt/Benjamin/Mackenzie/Reid

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Agree with this very much but might add to it just a bit.

1st Round: (one of) Selwood/Proud
2nd Round: (one of) Riewoldt/Benjamin/Mackenzie/Reid/Everitt

Just wondering if anyone thinks N. Brown or M. Brown would be available as a 3rd round selection?

 

[Bentleigh]

Agree with this very much but might add to it just a bit.

1st Round: (one of) Selwood/Proud
2nd Round: (one of) Riewoldt/Benjamin/Mackenzie/Reid/Everitt

I get the feeling Selwood might well be gone by #8.

Havn't seen alot of Proud.

10) Albert Proud

Midfielder

179cms and 80kgs.
6/9/88
Mt Gravatt, Queensland

Very impressive at the U18 Champs and to me was the pick of the Queenslanders on show there despite Urquhart being named All Australian. Even more impressive at the carnival games for Division 2 prior to the U18 Championships.

Very hard at the ball and a physical player who seems to relish the contact. Also classy with the ball in hand and has nice footwork and a well rounded game. Is a long kick and carries the ball well and can play as a linkman when needed.
Has good instincts when to go in for the ball and when to hang off the pack. Got the flair of a lot of Aboriginal players but also that physical edge to his game.

So he is a long kicking, skilful, tough on baller. Not a burst player but someone who seems to possess good endurance and the work rate. Prepared to chase and tackle but with the ball he kicks long, carries it and uses it with precision.
Basically has all the tools to become a very good midfielder in the AFL.
He is fairly short and a few cms extra would be great but I can’t see it being a problem in the future. Developed body and maybe not as much physical improvement in him as some others but he is quick and classy and hard as you would like. When delivering the ball into the forward 50 he was silky and composed. Good hands in close and has a fine overall game.
Nothing lacking in his game and is the complete package.

I am prepared to overlook him losing his cool in the game against Tasmania and think it is a bit out of character and will not be an issue in the future with lacking discipline.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225797&page=2

(6) Joel Selwood

Midfielder

181cms and 74kgs
16/5/88
Bendigo Pioneers

Brother of Troy and Adam. Very classy inside midfielder. Got the cleanest hands of any of the midfielders available for the next draft. Does not fumble and is cool and composed under pressure and in traffic.
His strength is in extracting the ball out of a stoppage. Does it with strength, body positioning and awareness and anticipation. Seems to move that little bit quicker to the tap out or spillage and with great reflexes and hand eye co ordination he gathers the ball and feeds it out with a quick handball.
Uses his body so well and has an uncanny knack of getting his arms free and dishing the ball out before some players have managed to pin him.
Very physically tough and hard player who directs his aggression at the ball and will have a superb temprement for AFL.
Makes up for a slight lack in pace with anticipation and his reading of the play.
Kicking needs improvement but is not a problem just not penetrative enough yet and lacks real polish. He prefers to handball and feed runners but opponents will sag off him in the AFL if he does not improve his kicking and not make it easy for him to feed more skilful players. (for example Daniel Cross from WB).

Good at the U18 Championships for Vic Country where he looked in the top 2 or 3 midielders on display. His football has been a high level for 2 years now and it will be interesting to see how much he improves this year. Hopefully he will grow to his brothers heights of 187 and 189 and not have as much problem putting on weight.

Has class, leadership and and football smarts. A can’t miss selection for a club who wants a natural footballer and not an athlete trying to be a footballer.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225797

 

[Calcium Man]

1st Round: Sellwood
2nd Round: (one of) Riewoldt/Benjamin/Mackenzie/Reid

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I'd be pretty happy with that. I'd like to see Everitt make our 3rd pick because i feel he'll be a good rebounding CHB.

 

[tiger4life]

I'd be pretty happy with that. I'd like to see Everitt make our 3rd pick because i feel he'll be a good rebounding CHB.

If we could get everitt with our 3rd pick as well as either selwood or proud with our 1st pick I would be over the moon!

As for the second pick...another big KPP would be nice, or any quality midfielders that have slipped. (O 'Brien, Hislop, Benjamin)

 

[kretchy]

ok mate, lets see how many games this guy plays next yr,, so far hes dun nothin but thats understandable in his 1st yr,,, next yr he will be the same,!

Have a feeling providing his body holds up that JON will play a lot of games next year, Wallace is a big fan of him.

 

[Richo83]

Don't you mean Roach???

Fixed that little gaffe, even if it was a shock moment.

IMO, Everitt will be taken before the third round. Could be wrong, but looks a bit better than pick 42.

As for Selwood, bents, who would you pick if Selwood goes? Would you be happy with Proud? I certinally would be reasonably happy, as he seems like he has the pace, skill and ball winning ability to be a good player.

Riewoldt looks like the 5th best KPP, so if the top 4 go and we are looking for a KPP, Riewoldt might come our way. Another one is Benjamin, 192cm, fast can play many positions.

I'm puzzled by bents. He says that we definetly need a KPP forward, and the best option looks ilke Riewoldt, yet he doesn't want Richmond to take him.

And BTW on JON, give him time ffs. He is still a teenager and has played all of half a dozen games. Wasn't my preferred pick at no. 8, but oh well.

Tambling was the "best available" at the time, as he was touted as the second best out of the draft, so picking Tambling was picking the "best available" as at no. 4 he was seen as the best player available.

 

[tiger4life]

Fixed that little gaffe, even if it was a shock moment.

IMO, Everitt will be taken before the third round. Could be wrong, but looks a bit better than pick 42.

As for Selwood, bents, who would you pick if Selwood goes? Would you be happy with Proud? I certinally would be reasonably happy, as he seems like he has the pace, skill and ball winning ability to be a good player.

Riewoldt looks like the 5th best KPP, so if the top 4 go and we are looking for a KPP, Riewoldt might come our way. Another one is Benjamin, 192cm, fast can play many positions.

I'm puzzled by bents. He says that we definetly need a KPP forward, and the best option looks ilke Riewoldt, yet he doesn't want Richmond to take him.

And BTW on OK, give him time ffs. He is still a teenager and has played all of half a dozen games. Wasn't my preferred pick at no. 8, but oh well.

Tambling was the "best available" at the time, as he was touted as the second best out of the draft, so picking Tambling was picking the "best available" as at no. 4 he was seen as the best player available.

I think he wants Richmond to take a KPP, but with their second pick.
After the top 4 KPP (Thorp, Gumbleton, Hansen and Sellar) there is a bit of a drop to the next best, so we can wait until pick #26 to draft someone like Riewoldt (if he slips that far),Reid, Mackenzie, Everitt, Brown, Benjamin etc.

That's just me saying what i think until bents comes and gives his opinion.

Also, I definately want us to take either selwood or proud with our 1st pick, unless one of the super-talented KPP slides to us.