Pickett = Cheat

[Ford Fairlane]

Stringer was a bloody angel compared to Bomber Clifford who made hits behind the head into a real art-form.

By no measure was Stringer an angel ... . Anyway, I was only discussing that one case relevant to Carey's report and suspension in the 84 finals series. So Clifford has nothing to do with that! That's all Centrals and Cowboy Neale's fault!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Well if were inclined to want to use those sort of sniping tactics (and I don't condone them) we might want to select Mark Bickley or Nigel Smart as they have both shown an aptitude for it. Of course they are not in our squad. One is now a "respected" media commentator and the other is looking to be the first former head hunter in the South Australian parliament!

You've really let your self down with this post Toots. Back of the class for you mate.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Mark Bickley and Nigel Smart = snipers.

Mark Bickley went into showdowns in a different frame of mind to his approach against other teams. His attitude culminated in the incident involving Darryl Wakelin. There is no doubt that his action was premeditated from a long way out with his elbow raised and aimed at Wakelins head and contact was made well after Wakelin had handballed. This was just the most blatant of a number of instances of rough play by Bickley against Port

Now to Nigel Smart. This is the clown who warned Port players before a Showdown that the Crows were going to bash them. This is the player who caused severe facial injuries at Football Park to Paul Salmon by hitting him with his hip while Salmon was bent over the ball. I had the game on tape. May still have it if it hasn't been taped over. Have watched that incident many times from all angles. Absolutely no doubt that it was intentional because Smart changed direction slightly towards Salmon in order to ensure contact. How he got off is a mystery and to top it off in typical Smart fashion he had the gall to complain about being reported.

Get the tape or DVD and see for yourself. Its the Crows v Essendon and was either the one or two years before he transferred to Hawthorn. Salmon is on the outer wing facing toward the centre of the ground. He is bent over trying to pick up the ball. Smart is steaming toward him from an angle but basically from the direction Salmon is facing. Smart veers slightly to his left and contacts Salmons head with his hip. Salmon is knocked unconscious and wakes up with a depressed facial fracture which required major surgery and kept him out for I think about 6 to 8 weeks.

So yes, if I was looking for headhunters I know I could rely on these two.

 

[arrowman]

Mark Bickley went into showdowns in a different frame of mind to his approach against other teams. His attitude culminated in the incident involving Darryl Wakelin.

Oh, it was his "attitude" and his "frame of mind", was it? I thought you might have been talking aout actual incidents such as those involving Pickett in the past. When people bring up Pickett's reputation (based on actual acts on the field) we are told "his tribunal record is almost spotless", yet Bickley, who has nothing like Pickett's track record, can be condemned as a sniper because of his "attitude".

Now to Nigel Smart. This is the clown who warned Port players before a Showdown that the Crows were going to bash them.

Oooooohhh...

This is the player who caused severe facial injuries at Football Park to Paul Salmon by hitting him with his hip while Salmon was bent over the ball.

Yeah, yeah - we know what you were talking about. Can you do better than one reportable incident and some trash talk before a Showdown?

So yes, if I was looking for headhunters I know I could rely on these two.

You show very poor judgement in selecting Personal Termination Consultants.

Seriously, Toots, that's just garbage and I've come to expect better from you. Or has PowerKnob borrowed your logon ID?

 

[Stiffy_18]

Well if were inclined to want to use those sort of sniping tactics (and I don't condone them) we might want to select Mark Bickley or Nigel Smart as they have both shown an aptitude for it. Of course they are not in our squad. One is now a "respected" media commentator and the other is looking to be the first former head hunter in the South Australian parliament!

Pigs arse!!!!!!

Mark Bickley is not a sniper. It was Wakelin's fault that he didn't run away from Bickley. Instead he ran into Bickley's forearm. It was Wakelin's fault that he had his face smashed in, not Bickleys





















At least thats the logic some of you lot are using in defending Byron's cowardly actions


Tossbags

 

[marvin]

Now to Nigel Smart. This is the clown who warned Port players before a Showdown that the Crows were going to bash them. This is the player who caused severe facial injuries at Football Park to Paul Salmon by hitting him with his hip while Salmon was bent over the ball. I had the game on tape. May still have it if it hasn't been taped over. Have watched that incident many times from all angles. Absolutely no doubt that it was intentional because Smart changed direction slightly towards Salmon in order to ensure contact. How he got off is a mystery and to top it off in typical Smart fashion he had the gall to complain about being reported.

Get the tape or DVD and see for yourself. Its the Crows v Essendon and was either the one or two years before he transferred to Hawthorn. Salmon is on the outer wing facing toward the centre of the ground. He is bent over trying to pick up the ball. Smart is steaming toward him from an angle but basically from the direction Salmon is facing. Smart veers slightly to his left and contacts Salmons head with his hip. Salmon is knocked unconscious and wakes up with a depressed facial fracture which required major surgery and kept him out for I think about 6 to 8 weeks.

If you are seeking credibility, facts should be accurate.

The starting point being that the incident happened when Salmon was playing for Hawthorn. Round 17, 1999 to be precise.

If you'd watched that incident "many times, from all angles", you'd surely remember the colour of the jumper the victim was wearing.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

Toots, if you want to talk about snipers and player attitude changes for Showdows what about Montgomery?

3 times he has been reported for striking vs the Crows and all three times against Burton! You think this is a coincidence? I dont think so.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Oh, it was his "attitude" and his "frame of mind", was it? I thought you might have been talking aout actual incidents such as those involving Pickett in the past. When people bring up Pickett's reputation (based on actual acts on the field) we are told "his tribunal record is almost spotless", yet Bickley, who has nothing like Pickett's track record, can be condemned as a sniper because of his "attitude".
Oooooohhh...
Yeah, yeah - we know what you were talking about. Can you do better than one reportable incident and some trash talk before a Showdown?
You show very poor judgement in selecting Personal Termination Consultants.

Seriously, Toots, that's just garbage and I've come to expect better from you. Or has PowerKnob borrowed your logon ID?

Tell me if you remember the Smart incident on Salmon whether you think he was not guilty of intent.

I posted in cold blood and am adamant in my view of Smart's action. I raised it at this point because of SpringChokes cheap shot about Port needing to find another sniper. I'm saying look in your back yard before implying that this is Ports approach. It's a body contact sport, occasionally players step over the line. I believe Pickett did that in that he was reckless and caused danger of serious injury. But when someone like SC starts heading down the path he did with that post well then it's time to look at other incidents involving your own players. If you are going to make those assertions about Port's approach the same standard should be applied to your own club.

 

[Jumbo]

Toots, if you want to talk about snipers and player attitude changes for Showdows what about Montgomery?

3 times he has been reported for striking vs the Crows and all three times against Burton! You think this is a coincidence? I dont think so.

The way Burton disposes the ball i think most Crows fans would want to punch BURTON

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Pigs arse!!!!!!

Mark Bickley is not a sniper. It was Wakelin's fault that he didn't run away from Bickley. Instead he ran into Bickley's forearm. It was Wakelin's fault that he had his face smashed in, not Bickleys





















At least thats the logic some of you lot are using in defending Byron's cowardly actions


Tossbags

Great call. Using PAP supporters logic. Wakelin should have been aware of Bicks in his "peripheal" vision. Therefore, it's actually Wakelins fault for not getting out of the way. I reckon the AFC should appeal and the report has to be scubbed from Bicks' impecible record.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Toots, if you want to talk about snipers and player attitude changes for Showdows what about Montgomery?

3 times he has been reported for striking vs the Crows and all three times against Burton! You think this is a coincidence? I dont think so.

No it is not a coincidence! There is bad blood between the two of them since Burton jumped into Montgomery's back during the game Wakelin was injured by Bickley. Montgomery retaliated by trying to hit Burton while they were still on the ground. Burton lied at the tribunal stating that Monty had punched him in the face. Again look at the tape of the incident. Montgomery told the truth at the tribunal stating he had tried to hit Burton but missed.

I worked with Burton's sister at the time and she acknowledged to me in the week after the game that her brother had told her he hadn't told the truth at the tribunal. She told me that he claimed the club had told him what to say. Make of that what you will but we know what he said at the tribunal and we can see from the tape that is not what happened.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

No it is not a coincidence! There is bad blood between the two of them since Burton jumped into Montgomery's back during the game Wakelin was injured by Bickley. Montgomery retaliated by trying to hit Burton while they were still on the ground. Burton lied at the tribunal stating that Monty had punched him in the face. Again look at the tape of the incident. Montgomery told the truth at the tribunal stating he had tried to hit Burton but missed.

I worked with Burton's sister at the time and she acknowledged to me in the week after the game that her brother had told her he hadn't told the truth at the tribunal. She told me that he claimed the club had told him what to say. Make of that what you will but we know what he said at the tribunal and we can see from the tape that is not what happened.

Cant say I can comment on that particular incident as I was overseas at the time and I have not seen any footage of the game, I have never even seen the Bickley hit.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

If you are seeking credibility, facts should be accurate.

The starting point being that the incident happened when Salmon was playing for Hawthorn. Round 17, 1999 to be precise.

If you'd watched that incident "many times, from all angles", you'd surely remember the colour of the jumper the victim was wearing.

If he was indeed playing for Hawthorn at the time then that is slightly embarrasing for me and allows you to muddy the waters. I was focussed on the actions of Mr Smart and viewed them repeatedly to make sure I was not mistaken in what I thought I saw. That time has clouded my recollection of the jumper Salmon was wearing does not alter what Smart did. Would you care to comment on the actual incident?

 

[noddy]

No it is not a coincidence! There is bad blood between the two of them since Burton jumped into Montgomery's back during the game Wakelin was injured by Bickley. Montgomery retaliated by trying to hit Burton while they were still on the ground. Burton lied at the tribunal stating that Monty had punched him in the face. Again look at the tape of the incident. Montgomery told the truth at the tribunal stating he had tried to hit Burton but missed.

I worked with Burton's sister at the time and she acknowledged to me in the week after the game that her brother had told her he hadn't told the truth at the tribunal. She told me that he claimed the club had told him what to say. Make of that what you will but we know what he said at the tribunal and we can see from the tape that is not what happened.

Quit before you make yourself look even more ridiculous Toots.

 

[Cap]

just quietly I think this thread has run its course 4 or 5 times over surely they can stop it now ?

(we can always start again when pickett gets more weeks added on for appealing )

 

[marvin]

If he was indeed playing for Hawthorn at the time then that is slightly embarrasing for me and allows you to muddy the waters. I was focussed on the actions of Mr Smart and viewed them repeatedly to make sure I was not mistaken in what I thought I saw. That time has clouded my recollection of the jumper Salmon was wearing does not alter what Smart did. Would you care to comment on the actual incident?

My recollections (based on what I saw at the time):

-The ball was bouncing free on the outer wing.
-One player (Salmon?) was moving out of the centre square, one was moving up the wing.
-Salmon got to the ball marginally ahead of Smart
-Contact was made between Smart's shoulder and Salmon's head.
-Salmon was not knocked unconscious, but did suffer a fractured cheekbone that cost him the remainder of the season.
-A free kick may have been paid. Not 100% sure.
-No report was laid, at the time or later, despite the incident being captured on video.
-When Mark Johnson collided with Shaun Rehn on the city side wing at Docklands in 2000, breaking Rehn's jaw, I had flashbacks to the Salmon/Smart clash.

Smart may have changed direction, as you suggest. When any player realises that they are losing the race to the ball, they will change direction. It's called reacting to the circumstances, something Pickett was unable or unwilling to do.

That's my recollection. Fire away.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

The way Burton disposes the ball i think most Crows fans would want to punch BURTON

Now thats another issue all together.

 

[dA Crow]

No it is not a coincidence! There is bad blood between the two of them since Burton jumped into Montgomery's back during the game Wakelin was injured by Bickley. Montgomery retaliated by trying to hit Burton while they were still on the ground. Burton lied at the tribunal stating that Monty had punched him in the face. Again look at the tape of the incident. Montgomery told the truth at the tribunal stating he had tried to hit Burton but missed.

I worked with Burton's sister at the time and she acknowledged to me in the week after the game that her brother had told her he hadn't told the truth at the tribunal. She told me that he claimed the club had told him what to say. Make of that what you will but we know what he said at the tribunal and we can see from the tape that is not what happened.

Oh that is handy, someone else that just 'happens' to work/live/be bonking someone who said yada yada yada... Credibility ... Zero. Have a nice day. Burton magically got his black eye from walking in a wardrobe?

 

[arrowman]

Tell me if you remember the Smart incident on Salmon whether you think he was not guilty of intent....

It was nearly 6 years ago, I remember it but not clearly enough to discuss in detail. But I won't try to defend Smart and I haven't tried to defend him.

The whole point is that you have labelled Bickley and Smart as "snipers" based on one incident each, and when challenged on this you have only been able to come up with "attitude" and "state of mind" and some trash talk from Smart before a Showdown.

To paraphrase Mr Rucci - every independent analyst will say that Bickley and Smart are not snipers, and that Byron Pickett, whether one wishes to call him a sniper or not, has a record of actual on field acts that indicate he is at the very least inclined to take out an opposition player whenever given the opportunity and has on many occasions shown a reckless disregard for the safety of the player he is attacking.

To put Bickley and Smart in the same group as Pickett is a joke.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Mark Bickley went into showdowns in a different frame of mind to his approach against other teams. His attitude culminated in the incident involving Darryl Wakelin. There is no doubt that his action was premeditated from a long way out with his elbow raised and aimed at Wakelins head and contact was made well after Wakelin had handballed. This was just the most blatant of a number of instances of rough play by Bickley against Port

Spare me the pathetic crap.

You know what his frame of mind was do you?????? What are you Froyd????? You all rubish Bickley for one indisgression of which he was as guilty as sin. Whenever someone label Bryon a sniper you all roll out the crap about his clean record. Well how many times has bickley been suspunded in his entire career??????

Some of you lot need some serious phsychological help because your reasoning stinks of hypocrisy.

Tell me what do you call Mongomery???? What is it 3 times in the last 4 matches that he has been reported for striking Burton yet you hypocrites laugh at it saying he shoudl have done it harder. And then you comeon our board and preach your bull******** on us here.

Get real.

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

we can always start again when pickett gets more weeks added on for appealing

They can do that?

Appeal away my little Port friends!

 

[Stiffy_18]

No it is not a coincidence! There is bad blood between the two of them since Burton jumped into Montgomery's back during the game Wakelin was injured by Bickley. Montgomery retaliated by trying to hit Burton while they were still on the ground. Burton lied at the tribunal stating that Monty had punched him in the face. Again look at the tape of the incident. Montgomery told the truth at the tribunal stating he had tried to hit Burton but missed.

I worked with Burton's sister at the time and she acknowledged to me in the week after the game that her brother had told her he hadn't told the truth at the tribunal. She told me that he claimed the club had told him what to say. Make of that what you will but we know what he said at the tribunal and we can see from the tape that is not what happened.

Spare me the bull********. So tell me Burton went down with Monty with his eye perfectly normal. He got up with a black eye nearly closed. How the fck did it happen????? Again spare me the bull********.

Your talk of working with his sister is akin to I heard from my mates' sister who heard from one of her workmates, who heard from his aunty whose next door neighbour is friends with a women that screws the postman that Burton did this and that. Please

 

[Toots Hibbert]

It was nearly 6 years ago, I remember it but not clearly enough to discuss in detail. But I won't try to defend Smart and I haven't tried to defend him.

The whole point is that you have labelled Bickley and Smart as "snipers" based on one incident each, and when challenged on this you have only been able to come up with "attitude" and "state of mind" and some trash talk from Smart before a Showdown.

To paraphrase Mr Rucci - every independent analyst will say that Bickley and Smart are not snipers, and that Byron Pickett, whether one wishes to call him a sniper or not, has a record of actual on field acts that indicate he is at the very least inclined to take out an opposition player whenever given the opportunity and has on many occasions shown a reckless disregard for the safety of the player he is attacking.

To put Bickley and Smart in the same group as Pickett is a joke.

As I said in an earlier post I responded to SpringChoke going down the path of labelling Port's approach as sniping. He said he was wondering to whom Mark Williams would turn to do the job. I made the point with two concrete examples that Adelaide has some skeletons rattling in the closet.

No I didn't bring up Smart's trash talking and Bickley's attitude in showdowns when challenged, I brought them up in my original post. In fact when I mentioned Smart's trash talking I described him as a clown and then went on to discuss his very serious offence against Salmon.
You are wrong in your assertions about Pickett showing "a reckless disregard on may occasions". His previous record of one a one match suspension for striking during a confrontation with an opposition player negates your statement. In fact he has rarely been reported let alone suspended until now.

Once again, I made it very clear that my post was in response to the rubbish wheeled out by SpringChoke. People in glass houses....

 

[Blue Red and Gold]

On a further note I think its a joke that the Wizard cup games can be used as suspension on a player.

This is not limited to the Pickett case but I think it highly disadvantages the bad sides like Hawthorn losing Mitchell for round one whilst Carlton will have Camporeale.

I think a player suspended throughout the Wizzer should be able to finish the Wizzer but then their suspension counts when the season starts.


I always thought this was actually the case but apparently not.

 

[Toots Hibbert]

Spare me the bull********. So tell me Burton went down with Monty with his eye perfectly normal. He got up with a black eye nearly closed. How the fck did it happen????? Again spare me the bull********.

Your talk of working with his systems is akin to I hear from my mates, sister who heard from one of her workmates, who heard from his aunty whose next door neighbour is friends with a women that screws the postman that Burton did this and that. Please

Burton did not get his black eye at that point. Go and look at the tape and see for yourself. I did work with his sister at that time and that is exactly what she told me. Whether AFC told him to say what he did at the tribunal or whether he sought to justify his lying I can't judge, but lie he did!