Pickett Cops 6

[captain ebert]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

Whats that got to do with the price of the fish??????

nothing.

He probably won't

ok, thanks - i was just curious & wanted to know the extent of his injuries - yes, for 3 reasons:

1. his (begley's) welfare.
2. the resulting consequences of pickett's actions.
3. the resulting consequences of van berlo's actions.

 

[captain ebert]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

Directed at anyone that keeps going on about Bickley. If thats not you, ignore it

well, dont directly quote me & then get started.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

well, dont directly quote me & then get started.

Take it up with the complaints department.

 

[captain ebert]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

Take it up with the complaints department.

yeh, wheres that?

 

[NikkiNoo]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

yeh, wheres that?

the power board

 

[Damp Squarie]

Woooa say what you really think.

I was interested to read that John James may use the option of a $5000 appeal. Now where the hell are PAFC going to get 5 grand??

LOL

 

[kaysee]

Well said.

I think people need to realise here that most of the posters here (me included) think that the penalty is not fiar and Byron should have got less than he did but some of the comments but idiots ******** me off. I don't understand why do some Port supporters even brought up the Bickley incident in the first place. The incidents are not similar and have nothing in common but it still doesn't stop some tossbags.

Thanks Jars458 and Stiffy.

Personally I love the hard (but fair) stuff, the hard driving and slinging tackles, the hard bumps etc... I think it is (or has been) one of the most attractive features of our game that appeals to that GRUNT of a man in all of us and makes those viewers overseas stand up and think what a tough game we play. I loved seeing the Roo and Carr wrestles and by play... sure both supporters probably thought the opponent players were dirty mongrels at the time but in years ahead I bet you will recall the rivalry.

However these days in order to play that style means that you have to get it right every time... a slight mis-calculation means you hit an opponent illegeally and due to the hardness will always be deamed as reckless... and now it seems all players will pay heavily for that (but that will remain to be seen).

Regarding Pickett, as many have argued and I don't wish to clog up your boards debating this, yes he has been a heavy hitting player (be playing the ball or the player within legal proximity to the ball) and up until now his hits have been declared legal. This time he miscalculated, hit him high and reckless and deserves a penalty. IMO he isn't a scragging, wrestling, eye gouging, dirty type player, but a straight line hard bumping player. He dishes it out but receives it to without complaint (see last years final against Geelong where Sanderson lined him up and initiated bump but he seen it just in time to brace himself, ride it and come out better off). Personally I don't subscribe to the theory that he hits on smaller weaker players... to me all players out there know the rules and should not be protected due to size or experience... it's is a man's game.

I have only referred to the Bickley incident once in aother post as basis of asking for consistancy from the tribunal. I think Bickley got 5 games and Pickett got 6 and apparently similar Pickett-like bumps were left unreported on the weekend. To me that doesn't sound consistent. One last thing I don't think it is wise to have Schwab and Loewe on the tribunal jury when they are so fresh out of the system and may still carry ill/favoured memories of certain players from any clubs.

all the best
SKC

 

[Damp Squarie]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

Byron Pickett is paying the price for James Begley's mistake. (fumble). His 6 week suspension is a DISGRACE!!!

If Begley fumbled the ball why didnt Pickett swoop on it?

Because his focus wasnt on taking the ball but the player (who didint duck his head like some twits have suggested)

W ankers...You both need to take your blinkers off.

 

[kaysee]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

Which is more dangerous - raising an elbow (worst outcome = broken jaw) or bump to the head, from the front (worst outcome = wheelchair) ?

Crowked is right - its the intent, not the outcome, that's important.

What Bickley did was wrong, and indefensible. But it wasn't as serious as Pickett's in terms of the intent and the potential result.

It is folly trying to argue what if's and could of's:

Which is more dangerous??

- raising an elbow (worst outcome = elbow connects with the nose, breaking the nose, pushing the nose bone into the brain and instantly killing him)

- bump to the head, from the front (worst outcome = snaps his neck and spine severing the arteries to the brain killing him) ?

They are both very plausible outcomes... the facts are yes many things are potential dangerous on the football field but few come to fruition.

cheers
skc

 

[Mad Dog]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

If Begley fumbled the ball why didnt Pickett swoop on it?

Because his focus wasnt on taking the ball but the player (who didint duck his head like some twits have suggested)

W ankers...You both need to take your blinkers off.

Correct - if you look at the vision - Picketts head doesn't track to the ball once it is fumbled....he never takes his eyes off Begley

 

[Mad Dog]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

It is folly trying to argue what if's and could of's:

Which is more dangerous??

- raising an elbow (worst outcome = elbow connects with the nose, breaking the nose, pushing the nose bone into the brain and instantly killing him)

- bump to the head, from the front (worst outcome = snaps his neck and spine severing the arteries to the brain killing him) ?

They are both very plausible outcomes... the facts are yes many things are potential dangerous on the football field but few come to fruition.

cheers
skc

make all the comparisons on this you like but I think the key with this Bickley v Pickett debate is that one built a career on leading by example both within his club and the community - holding up 2 premiership cups......the other has built a reputation as someone to be feared on a football field and is the last person you would want your children to model themselves on - particularly in the wider community.

People can create all the spin they like on what is more serious and likely to cause injury.........the key question is...who would you want your kids to call a roll model....

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Just a few comments:

1. Can we avoid getting personal with the debate - I'm referring to both supporters.

2. Not sure of why the Bickley incident has been so previlent. The only similarity is that it occurred in a showdown - ie. basically irrelevant.

3. Pickett has to show more care when bumping a player - a player with their head over the ball must be protected.

4. 6 weeks IMO was harsh. Probably 4 weeks with his record would have been fairer. I'm worried about the Tribunal's precedent & (supposedly fairer) process - particularly the fact he had no opportunity to plad guilty & accept a reduced penalty like the other 3 players.

 

[Borscht Mat]

Just a few comments:

1. Can we avoid getting personal with the debate - I'm referring to both supporters.

2. Not sure of why the Bickley incident has been so previlent. The only similarity is that it occurred in a showdown - ie. basically irrelevant.

3. Pickett has to show more care when bumping a player - a player with their head over the ball must be protected.

4. 6 weeks IMO was harsh. Probably 4 weeks with his record would have been fairer. I'm worried about the Tribunal's precedent & (supposedly fairer) process - particularly the fact he had no opportunity to plad guilty & accept a reduced penalty like the other 3 players.

Yes indeed.

personalities and loyalties aside it is a harsh decision and one which should concern all supporters I think. At the end of the day the action was not behind the play, there were no serious consequences, he had no prior history, had no opportunity for a reduced sentence and copped 6 weeks.

What that means is that if tomorrow Mcloed for example does the same act, but puts someone in hospital say....or it happens that 1 second later in the play then we will have players rubbed out for 10 weeks or so. I don't think anyone really wants those sorts of penalties other than really exceptional circumstances. What Choppy did was worng, and he should go, but it was not exceptional by any means....it would happen avery 2 or 3 weeks in the normal football season....and if the bar gets raised to a 6 week minimum then we all should be worried.

BM

 

[kaysee]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

make all the comparisons on this you like but I think the key with this Bickley v Pickett debate is that one built a career on leading by example both within his club and the community - holding up 2 premiership cups......the other has built a reputation as someone to be feared on a football field and is the last person you would want your children to model themselves on - particularly in the wider community.

People can create all the spin they like on what is more serious and likely to cause injury.........the key question is...who would you want your kids to call a roll model....

I am not doing the comparing... gessshhh. In fact I am saying the opposite in that you can't compare what ifs and could of's.

As for any reputation in the general community I could care less arguing about... I just would like consistancy on the footy field and tribunal.

 

[kaysee]

Just a few comments:

1. Can we avoid getting personal with the debate - I'm referring to both supporters.

2. Not sure of why the Bickley incident has been so previlent. The only similarity is that it occurred in a showdown - ie. basically irrelevant.

3. Pickett has to show more care when bumping a player - a player with their head over the ball must be protected.

4. 6 weeks IMO was harsh. Probably 4 weeks with his record would have been fairer. I'm worried about the Tribunal's precedent & (supposedly fairer) process - particularly the fact he had no opportunity to plad guilty & accept a reduced penalty like the other 3 players.

Here here.

 

[kaysee]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

...the key question is...who would you want your kids to call a roll model....

Tredrea

 

[tinman]

6 weeks IMO was harsh. Probably 4 weeks with his record would have been fairer.

I must say that I thought similarly, but how many of the games he misses will be Wizard Cup? Big deal. At least one of them, possibly four!! So he only cops two home and away games.

If you take this into account then he hasn't been harshly dealt with at all. Being suspended for a Wizard Cup game is nowhere near the penalty of missing a home and away game.

The hit, on the other hand, hurts just as much, or has the same potential damage no matter what game it takes place in.

This is inconsistent.

Scarily, I agree with some of the Power posters on the Monty point. How light did he get off? One Wizard Cup game.......c'mon, may as well have given him a slap with a wet bus ticket.

Although I must say in support of the new system that Monty can't afford to misbehave as this incident will be taken into account for his next penalty. It needs to be - I reckon he got off very lightly.

 

[jmorg1]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

the key question is...who would you want your kids to call a roll model....

For Port Power supporters, Byron Pickett for his drink driving skills and Peter Burgoyne on how to treat women.

 

[maccas_no1]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

thats because begley wont be having his face reconstructed, wont be missing finals matches as a result & wont be having airport security pull him aside everytime he passes thru their metal detectors for the rest of his life.

pickett laid a very bad bump, bickley hung an elbow out to dry....... on wakelins face.

FFS get over tosser, you reakon we are going to be going on about Pickett's bump in three years time, NO we wont be we will have actually moved on.

 

[maccas_no1]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

& by the way, im sure i saw pickett apologise to begley after the game.

What so that makes it all ok??? Bickley apologised to Wakelin too

 

[arrowman]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

It is folly trying to argue what if's and could of's:

Which is more dangerous??

- raising an elbow (worst outcome = elbow connects with the nose, breaking the nose, pushing the nose bone into the brain and instantly killing him)

- bump to the head, from the front (worst outcome = snaps his neck and spine severing the arteries to the brain killing him) ?

They are both very plausible outcomes... the facts are yes many things are potential dangerous on the football field but few come to fruition.

cheers
skc

Yes, anything can happen in the most extreme (and unlikely) circumstances - but end of the day, some outcomes are more likely than others and some actions are more dangerous than others. I don't think there's a sporting body in the world that wouldn't treat an attack on the head from the position begley was in, more seriously than a punch in the face. And I'd bet I know which one you would rather suffer, if you had to choose based on the relative danger.

And that will be my last word on this subject. (Almost)

 

[arrowman]

...the key question is...who would you want your kids to call a roll model....

Snicker. Pickett. Driving a car. "Roll" model. Snicker.

Sorry Mad Dog, wasn't having a go at you, couldn't resist the Freudian slip.

 

[lozstar]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

What so that makes it all ok??? Bickley apologised to Wakelin too

Bickley wrote a letter of apology.. apparently there is a difference

 

[Mad Dog]

Snicker. Pickett. Driving a car. "Roll" model. Snicker.

Sorry Mad Dog, wasn't having a go at you, couldn't resist the Freudian slip.

well I was going to talk about Pickett's season possibly crashing and burning from here....but decided against it...



ps - nice signature.....

 

[maccas_no1]

Re: Absolute Disgrace!!!

Bickley wrote a letter of apology.. apparently there is a difference

Port players cant read or write, is that the difference they just dribble crap.