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Rumour Pies Linked to Robert Warnock
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Don't put much stock in him missing that goal to be honest. Plenty of good players fudge goals from point blank. Brent Harvey, Matthew Lloyd, Chris Tarrant and the list goes on. Imagine if another board said don't want Reid because of his stutter kick, ignoring everything else. **** one goat...
I also think his rucking is much better than people are stating here. Considering he shares his ruck duties at Carlton with other genuine rucks, his hit outs are very good and I suspect he's not a big target over the ground. He might have a very limited role within the club and his lack of goals probably reflects the fact that he is probably expected to follow the opposition ruck to defence rather than move forward.
If his possession count around the game is a question of a lack of intensity or smarts, then forget it. But if his fitness base is low and his role is very particular, the Pies would be in a better position to develop that side of his game.
Just looking at the hit-out stats, Warnock polls really well. For hit-outs per game in 2012, Warnock sits equal 5th with 31.6 per game, behind Sandilands (38.6), Jamar (34.8) and Lobbe (32) - keep in mind here Lobbe only played 1 game, so that's not much of a sample. Maric is at 31.6 with Warnock. He sits ahead of Goldstein at 30.5, Jolly at 29.7 and Wood at 24.5. Now I know Maric, Jolly and Goldstein are ahead owing to around the game stuff, but I'm bracketing that for the time being.
In terms of effective hit-outs (hit-outs that lead to retaining team possession), Warnock also sits 5th in 2012 at 6.2 per game. He is ahead of McEvoy (6.0), Goldstein (5.2), Jacobs (4.8), Maric (4.3) and Sandilands (3.0). Jolly is listed as having 0 in Pro Stats where these figures come from.
Now we know Jolly shits all over Warnock around the ground, as does Maric or players like Cox etc. But in terms of pure tap rucks, he's ahead of McEvoy and Jamar.
To think of the service our midfield could get from effective tapouts is no small beer. Warnock would not make it purely on this stat, as it creates knock on effects around the ground, but if the club felt they could boost his disposal output and fitness to the point of around 15 disposals per game, it's well worth a look.
I also think his rucking is much better than people are stating here. Considering he shares his ruck duties at Carlton with other genuine rucks, his hit outs are very good and I suspect he's not a big target over the ground. He might have a very limited role within the club and his lack of goals probably reflects the fact that he is probably expected to follow the opposition ruck to defence rather than move forward.
If his possession count around the game is a question of a lack of intensity or smarts, then forget it. But if his fitness base is low and his role is very particular, the Pies would be in a better position to develop that side of his game.
Just looking at the hit-out stats, Warnock polls really well. For hit-outs per game in 2012, Warnock sits equal 5th with 31.6 per game, behind Sandilands (38.6), Jamar (34.8) and Lobbe (32) - keep in mind here Lobbe only played 1 game, so that's not much of a sample. Maric is at 31.6 with Warnock. He sits ahead of Goldstein at 30.5, Jolly at 29.7 and Wood at 24.5. Now I know Maric, Jolly and Goldstein are ahead owing to around the game stuff, but I'm bracketing that for the time being.
In terms of effective hit-outs (hit-outs that lead to retaining team possession), Warnock also sits 5th in 2012 at 6.2 per game. He is ahead of McEvoy (6.0), Goldstein (5.2), Jacobs (4.8), Maric (4.3) and Sandilands (3.0). Jolly is listed as having 0 in Pro Stats where these figures come from.
Now we know Jolly shits all over Warnock around the ground, as does Maric or players like Cox etc. But in terms of pure tap rucks, he's ahead of McEvoy and Jamar.
To think of the service our midfield could get from effective tapouts is no small beer. Warnock would not make it purely on this stat, as it creates knock on effects around the ground, but if the club felt they could boost his disposal output and fitness to the point of around 15 disposals per game, it's well worth a look.
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Tbone McGraw
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I don't mind warnock as a ruckman but we can forget about him as it is the scum. They either refuse to trade with us or ask for massive overs.
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True, but if the price is right.
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I agree with much of this. I'm not much interested in moving our draft selections either. Hard enough retaining our current players without going after others.
Warnock is a better tap ruckman than Wood but work around the ground poor and like Wood not a forward option so like you I'm not super enthusiastic about him as a potential trade target.
I can't say I agree with your view on Seaby though. Not one I'd be super enthusiastic to add either. Moderately competitive and ok depth guy but not someone you want running your ruck division.
Not a noted goal kicker. Takes few marks. Hitout work very average and has been absolutely destroyed in matchups v Sandilands (18 hitouts to Sandiland's 54). As the sole ruckman v Adelaide got 27 hitouts to Jacobs (44) and McKernan (19!) - McKernan is not a noted tap ruckman this is an equal career high hitout total for McKernan.
Seaby is just another depth guy who is really much the same as Wood - no point adding another depth quality ruck when we still have Witts/Ceglar/Gault floating around in the forwardline most of the time at VFL level.
A trade of Tom Young is no issue and he is one I'd offer up in trade week anyway. But I just don't see the need to add another depth guy when we probably have better options coming through.
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The talk is he will debut in coming weeks. Seems happy at North Melbourne and they want to retain him. McIntosh is getting on and injury prone so looks unlikely that Daw becomes available - looks like the eventual no.2 man to play behind Goldstein.
But I agree that he would make a very good candidate as a no.2 ruck and might be the type you look at if he was to come available on the cheap.
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On cap space for Warnock, you'd go half-way there by delisting Wood. Another retirement and you're there cost wise.
Warnock would also know he'd be primed for 1st spot very soon. That would also help him to boost his value in the next contract.
Warnock would also know he'd be primed for 1st spot very soon. That would also help him to boost his value in the next contract.
Scodog10
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I think I've made it pretty clear that I don't rate him so I'll finish on this. Has anyone seen him absolutely dominate a game? He's 25 and still hasn't had a breakout game we'll say to at least the level that Jolly played last week.
At least Wood has the one against the Crows from 09, last year against the Eagles and this year against the Suns to fall back on whereas Warnock is such a pea heart he's never come out and torn a game apart and for a bloke of his size that's really disappointing.
At least Wood has the one against the Crows from 09, last year against the Eagles and this year against the Suns to fall back on whereas Warnock is such a pea heart he's never come out and torn a game apart and for a bloke of his size that's really disappointing.
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Warnock is only a few months older than Wood. On his dominant games, I have no idea, though I'm sure there's a few. If you asked an opposition supporter what games Wood dominated, I'm sure they'd have no idea either. In any case, he consistently is getting around the 30 taps per game, and more importantly, effective taps to advantage.
Wouldn't sell the farm for him, but there's a very solid tap base. If we felt we could increase his fitness and role around the ground, would be worthwhile at the right cost.
Scodog10
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What are his strengths outside of hitouts?
Does he butter up and tackle opponents? Does he drift back and block space? Does he push forward and provide an outlet? Protect his smaller teammates? He doesn't have any of that in his game and it's the stuff we're begging for from Wood...
All of the better ruckman league wide have at least one of those traits (the better ones more than one) we'd need to go hard to get him and it really isn't worth it!
He absolutely dominated essendon in the final last year. His best game for the club. He will win the majority of the hit outs he contests, but around the ground he is less effective. Not much of a mark, not very fast around the ground. He can kick it a mile, and fairly accurately though.
He would be pretty easy to prise lose too I think. He's behind kruezer and Hampson. For a big offer of cash he'd be silly not to at least think about it. Won't be a regular at carlton unless there are injuries.
He would be pretty easy to prise lose too I think. He's behind kruezer and Hampson. For a big offer of cash he'd be silly not to at least think about it. Won't be a regular at carlton unless there are injuries.
Was last year the year when essendon had Lovett-Murray as their number one ruck because everyone else was injured or was it the year before?
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The best are mobile and good tap-rucks, but there are few of them available: Cox, Naitinui, Ryder. If you think Jolly can consistently be a great tap ruck and mobile target, you kid yourself.
I think we need a premium tap ruck now who can feed with effective taps our elite midfield.
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I believe we need this to, however I also believe we need someone that has another strength in his game which again Warnock doesn't have.
Wickzki
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Watch the final that he played against Essendon last year. Despite Essendon having their best two rucks of last year playing (Ryder and Hille) Warnock gave both of them a bath. He also held his own the following week in our loss to West Coast.
When it comes to finals I have to say that Robbie has gone 3 for 3 in regards of playing well with the Essendon game being the standout.
I would be absolutely spewing if we lost him to you guys. He'd instantly make your already superb midfield just that much better. He's one of the better tap to advantage rucks in the league when he's firing. Your midfield would be having a field day gobbling up his taps.
I can't see you guys trading with us so it won't happen.... Unless we throw in another one of our coaches to help Rowdy and Richo as part of a trade.
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As a tap ruckman, yes, he can actually be quite dominant and give his mids an absolute arm chair ride. No joke.
Can tackle a bit and is pretty good at getting centre clearances by getting it quickly onto his boot even in tight congested situations and can kick a long way.
The problem is outside of the stoppages. If you're wanting a ruck who can mark reliably around the ground or even out body some midfielders you might be disappointed...
Can tackle a bit and is pretty good at getting centre clearances by getting it quickly onto his boot even in tight congested situations and can kick a long way.
The problem is outside of the stoppages. If you're wanting a ruck who can mark reliably around the ground or even out body some midfielders you might be disappointed...
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We'll take Skinny back thanks. We could do with an improved forwards coach.
I do agree with you that it likely wouldn't happen. We're not going to give you something that gives you even greater chance at winning 16 or 17 (whatever the case may be at the end of the season). I think the only times we've ever traded is when one is at one end of the ladder than the other and for good reason.
YOu can take him.... but didn't he start at St. Kilda? We'll just get Scotty Burns back from the EaglesWe'll take Skinny back thanks. We could do with an improved forwards coach.
I do agree with you that it likely wouldn't happen. We're not going to give you something that gives you even greater chance at winning 16 or 17 (whatever the case may be at the end of the season). I think the only times we've ever traded is when one is at one end of the ladder than the other and for good reason.
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Jolly has been an absolute warrior & he has my total respect but we need a ruckman who can more the neutralize the contest. We have the best midfield in the AFL and by quite a distance, Warnock would be a perfect fit for putting it to the midfield's advantage.
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Very True and That would in turn make it easier for our Inside Mids
Wickzki
Definitely Sam MacLure.
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YOu can take him.... but didn't he start at St. Kilda? We'll just get Scotty Burns back from the Eagles
He did. 55 games with the Saints from 1994-1998 including the 1997 Grand Final. Traded to the Blues with pick 58 for picks 22 and 53. Saints got Begley and Schwarze. He played 196 games for the Blues kicking 221 goals. Gutsy little played, suits your club's small brigade rather well.
