Environment Pig hunting

[Thrawn]

I saw a story on the 7:30 report involving pig hunting with dogs. Feral pigs can be a serious problem, so it is quite understandable that they need to be culled.

But... why do some of these rednecks call themselves "hunters" ? Placing pigs in a small enclosure with a dog, only for it to tear the pig apart slowly (and this 'hunter' stabbing the pig in the stomach so it doesn't put up much of a fight), letting three or four dogs slowly maiming the pig and not stepping in to kill the pig themselves. It's unnecessarily cruel, and can be dangerous to the dogs too.

These are also the same people who use the excuse "it's pest control" to do some unnecessarily brutal things like this. I don't care if it's a pest or feral animal, it's still a living creature, there's really no need for mindless sadism. But since they're "feral", apparently it's OK to do shit like that? I never understood this argument (this can also apply to rabbits, rats, foxes, etc). How is it even an argument, anyway? Seems like people will use any excuse to justify their behaviour.

People like that also give hunters a bad name, make them look malicious and sadistic. One of my best friends used to hunt out in the country, and he's pretty appalled by the acts I mentioned. I for one would like to see such people punished, but people only seem to care for the welfare of cats and dogs. I'd like to see hefty punishments for people who are intentionally sadistic and excessively cruel, feral or otherwise.

What do you guys think? I'd also like to hear the opinions of people who have actually hunted before, in particular feral pigs.

 

[Messenger]

I saw it. Disgusting. Feral pig or not, put it out of its misery quickly.

 

[RU_]

I saw a story on the 7:30 report involving pig hunting with dogs. Feral pigs can be a serious problem, so it is quite understandable that they need to be culled.

But... why do some of these rednecks call themselves "hunters" ? Placing pigs in a small enclosure with a dog, only for it to tear the pig apart slowly (and this 'hunter' stabbing the pig in the stomach so it doesn't put up much of a fight), letting three or four dogs slowly maiming the pig and not stepping in to kill the pig themselves. It's unnecessarily cruel, and can be dangerous to the dogs too.

These are also the same people who use the excuse "it's pest control" to do some unnecessarily brutal things like this. I don't care if it's a pest or feral animal, it's still a living creature, there's really no need for mindless sadism. But since they're "feral", apparently it's OK to do shit like that? I never understood this argument (this can also apply to rabbits, rats, foxes, etc). How is it even an argument, anyway? Seems like people will use any excuse to justify their behaviour.

People like that also give hunters a bad name, make them look malicious and sadistic. One of my best friends used to hunt out in the country, and he's pretty appalled by the acts I mentioned. I for one would like to see such people punished, but people only seem to care for the welfare of cats and dogs. I'd like to see hefty punishments for people who are intentionally sadistic and excessively cruel, feral or otherwise.

What do you guys think? I'd also like to hear the opinions of people who have actually hunted before, in particular feral pigs.

That is the main part of this "rant" that I had to bold. Why should they be allowed to beat up on a lesser life-form?

 

[Mooster7]

I bow hunt wild boar down in south Missouri and Arkansas. They can be tough, mean bastards. They're like tanks. All of their armor is up front in the skull. You can't put an arrow through that, that's why I think people who hunt razor-backs with a hand cannon are pussies. They're no slouches on the side either. Thick, smelly hide. They've got big ass fangs. Their sense of smell is about as acute as a dog and they can hear a silent fart at half a mile, but they don't see all that well from my experience. However, if they do spot you and they're pissed off, it can be trouble.

One chased me up a tree once. I have to get within 30-35 yards to get a good guaranteed shot with my bow and a boar can cover that very quickly if he wants to. I have a great compound bow and it's powerful, but like I said above I can't get an arrow through that thick bone-armor in the skull. I had about 1 second to make a choice to scramble up the tree. I made the right choice as he would have ****ed me up. He rooted around the base of the tree for a while and I pissed on his back. I think he liked it.

Anyway, I don't care how a person hunts. If an animal is overpopulating an area, it's not healthy for them and in the case of wild oinkers, it's not healthy for the terrain either. They scratch up the ground, ruining food sources for other wildlife and they like to rip bark off of trees. They can kill a grove of younger trees. So whatever. Kill them as you like. We don't even have a hunting season for them. If you can kill one, then do it.

Most importantly, despite their incredibly ugly visage, they are delicious - especially cooked Hawaiian Kalua style.

 

[Caesar]

I didn't see the story on the 7:30 Report so this may have been mentioned, but the NSW State Parliament recently did a deal with the Shooters & Fishers party whereby in exchange for supporting their electricity infrastructure sell-off, the government would allow hunting in National Parks.

I understand the need to control feral animals but this is precisely the reason I'm opposed to such a measure. Put simply, there are a lot of hunters out there who cannot be trusted to act in a responsible and humane manner. At least when rangers do culls, it is done under the supervision of the RSPCA and in as humane a manner as practical.

Besides, I seriously doubt that people who are prepared to treat pigs in such a manner would have many qualms about shooting native wildlife. I know they are a very small minority of hunters, but nonetheless they exist.

 

[edgie]

Living in a country town, I know of people that do this, and take all pictures and put them all over the internet like real tough guys. I also have close mates of mine who shoot. You shoot to kill, if it's wounded then they would use a knife on the throat to save bullets and do it quickly and humanely. Not perfect but hey, can't be waiting bullets.

The way these "hunters" (I wouldn't even call what I use to do hunting) carry on I'd have to agree with OP.

 

[Thrawn]

So whatever. Kill them as you like. We don't even have a hunting season for them. If you can kill one, then do it.

Huh?

The report specified that the person stabbed the pig in the stomach, as it was mauled by his dogs. Then he just stood there watching it, drinking a beer and laughing at it, while the animal was dying slowly and painfully. And videotaped it.

That's not hunting, that's being a malicious sadist. So forgive me if I find your "kill them as you like" statement contemptible.

 

[quin_stick]

Don't have a problem with shooting pigs or kangaroos or whatever, even for sport, but literally nothing makes me angrier than shit like this, animals getting abused when they can't protect themselves. Sadistic ****s

 

[Mooster7]

Huh?

The report specified that the person stabbed the pig in the stomach, as it was mauled by his dogs. Then he just stood there watching it, drinking a beer and laughing at it, while the animal was dying slowly and painfully. And videotaped it.

That's not hunting, that's being a malicious sadist. So forgive me if I find your "kill them as you like" statement contemptible.

Those guys suck. I don't know why they're doing this. WIld boar are dangerous and if you're going to spear hunt them, then I would suggest having a couple of dogs with you. I wouldn't join them. Best to shoot Mr. McOink with a gun or bow.

Animals that grow old in the wild suffer from all manner of maladies. Most of them fall to predation. A large lion can break the neck of its prey, but most usually the prey animal is still struggling when it goes to ground. Then the lion will rake the abdomen to disembowel and then bite out the throat - all while the creature is still alive. When the lion grows old, he or she will be attacked by a pack of hyenas or other smaller animals and that's not quick and smooth either. The lion is slowly chewed apart. It's the way things are.

Again, I wouldn't want to "hunt" with the guys you're talking about. I won't take a shot on a boar, deer, fish (I bowfish too) unless I know I have a good, clean shot. At the same time, if I stalked a human in the woods, sunk an arrow in his heart, gutted him and plopped him the back of my truck I think that would be malicious, sadist and contemptible. So there are relative degrees aren't there? There's genocide going on in the world. Human starvation and preventible death by disease. Although I think these dog & spear hunters are jerk offs, I'm not excessively worried about the ultimate fate of lions and pigs in the wild if the numbers are being managed properly. In the case of feral pigs, they usually are not. Too many of them. So go out and hunt them cleanly if that's the fate you want them to have. But don't be an armchair wildlife manager.

 

[TheLoris]

I'd never really heard much about this before, so checked out a few vids on youtube, pretty full on stuff. I've got no problem with the hunting and killing of feral pigs, but don't enjoy seeing their death being dragged out.

What no-one has mentioned is the damage the pigs do to the sugar cane crops, which would be one of the main reasons they are hunted in the first place. I supsect the reason they let the dogs kill the pig is so they are keen for the kill next time. The footage on the 7:30 report where the guy stabbed the pig in the gut looked pretty wrong, but may have been to get a new dog the taste of blood for the first time. Not saying that I agree with it, just trying to understand the rationale. The dogs are probably the only way you would ever hunt down feral pigs in the middle of a cane field. Don't think I'd be getting off on it or whacking it on the net for all to see tho.

 

[Thrawn]

Animals that grow old in the wild suffer from all manner of maladies. Most of them fall to predation. A large lion can break the neck of its prey, but most usually the prey animal is still struggling when it goes to ground. Then the lion will rake the abdomen to disembowel and then bite out the throat - all while the creature is still alive. When the lion grows old, he or she will be attacked by a pack of hyenas or other smaller animals and that's not quick and smooth either. The lion is slowly chewed apart. It's the way things are.

Of course they do, but that's not even relevant. Can we really compare what a lion does to what a human being does? Lions in this circumstance either a) don't know any better or b) don't have a choice. The same can't be said for a human being. Humans make concious decisions, and can ponder the consequences of their actions. The analogy doesn't fit.

At the same time, if I stalked a human in the woods, sunk an arrow in his heart, gutted him and plopped him the back of my truck I think that would be malicious, sadist and contemptible. So there are relative degrees aren't there?

If one equates these animals to a human being, then yes.

There's genocide going on in the world. Human starvation and preventible death by disease. Although I think these dog & spear hunters are jerk offs, I'm not excessively worried about the ultimate fate of lions and pigs in the wild if the numbers are being managed properly. In the case of feral pigs, they usually are not. Too many of them. So go out and hunt them cleanly if that's the fate you want them to have. But don't be an armchair wildlife manager.

It's not about you caring or not, it was your statement. It sounded like you were advocating killing these animals in any way people could. That is what I looked at with contempt. Now I know that you didn't really mean that these pricks (or anyone) should do what was mentioned, it'd be best to elaborate next time, rather than make such an ambiguous comment that could be misinterpreted. But you didn't leave much room to interpret with that statement, which was why I questioned it.

What no-one has mentioned is the damage the pigs do to the sugar cane crops, which would be one of the main reasons they are hunted in the first place. I supsect the reason they let the dogs kill the pig is so they are keen for the kill next time. The footage on the 7:30 report where the guy stabbed the pig in the gut looked pretty wrong, but may have been to get a new dog the taste of blood for the first time. Not saying that I agree with it, just trying to understand the rationale.

No one mentioned it because it's not about hunting, it's about the behaviour of some individuals. I doubt the rationale considering the dogs were already on the pig, and probably made it bleed on their own anyway. The guy obviously just wanted a cheap laugh. And he certainly took the time and effort to herd them in an enclosed area.

 

[MrNatural]

Ive done a bit of shooting and hunting in my younger days, mainly just rabbits.
I agree with the whole idea that feral animals such as pigs, cats, rabbits etc need to culled, however i don't agree with them being tortured in this way.
Quick painless death for these animals is fine by me, but to set your dogs on them is over the top.
I've had mates post photos on Facebook of their pig kills, and think to myself, wow you must think your real tough setting your dog(s) onto it. Wheres the skill in that? At least you need some skill to shoot the thing from a decent range.

 

[Leper]

I thought this would be a thread about nightclubbing in Penrith (or similar).
Similar concept though - both should be outlawed.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

From what you describe that is disgusting, as someone who has actually done a fair bit of pig hunting I find it reprehensible.

It's called pig hunting because most of the time you do actually hunt them, usually you will use 3 to 5 dogs depending on how big a boar your going after

These are a combination of hearders and holders, I personally have only used and seen dog used to arrest the legs of the pig to stop it running (hence the term holders) never mauling used to bring down a pig, for the safety of The dogs we used to then push the pig onto its side then cut the throat (one of the quickest ways to despatch an animal. once the pig is down the dogs are brought back in the truck a hunt may take hours based not only locating the pig but the dogs have to exhaust it before they can get close as the big ones are bloody dangerous but once the dogs move in and latch on its over with in 2 minutes at most (the longer you take the more likely injury will occur)

For the life of me I do not understand why if you could get the pig into an enclosure you would not dispatch it with a shotgun quick and painless, the only reason we don't often use guns in the bush is because the big pigs are extremely hard to get out in the open so you can't get a clear shot.

 

[Tex_21]

You'll find very few hunters would go to the trouble (not to mention the moral implications) of catching a pig, and putting it in an enclosure, assuming its a training exercise. Most hunters find the target animal, and kill it as quickly as possible (whether that be a pig, fox, hare, rabbit, kangaroo etc). Just another example of a very small minority of nutters making the majority look shithouse.

 

[poweredup]

Animals that grow old in the wild suffer from all manner of maladies. Most of them fall to predation. A large lion can break the neck of its prey, but most usually the prey animal is still struggling when it goes to ground. Then the lion will rake the abdomen to disembowel and then bite out the throat - all while the creature is still alive. When the lion grows old, he or she will be attacked by a pack of hyenas or other smaller animals and that's not quick and smooth either. The lion is slowly chewed apart. It's the way things are.

One major difference, A lion in the wild does this to survive and they eat what they hunt, they don't torture another species for enjoyment.

In regards to the OP, this practice is pure evil, there is no excuse for it, I bet these are blokes that tortured puppies and set fire to bugs as kids. There are humane ways to get the same end result, there is absolutely no justification to torture an animal like this. Disgusting !!

 

[I bleed Blue]

When I first opened this thread I thought it was going to be about trying to pick up fat chicks when you go out.

 

[La Dispute]

Sounds like a job for the honey badger.

 

[JoondalupJ]

I saw a story on the 7:30 report involving pig hunting with dogs. Feral pigs can be a serious problem, so it is quite understandable that they need to be culled.

But... why do some of these rednecks call themselves "hunters" ? Placing pigs in a small enclosure with a dog, only for it to tear the pig apart slowly (and this 'hunter' stabbing the pig in the stomach so it doesn't put up much of a fight), letting three or four dogs slowly maiming the pig and not stepping in to kill the pig themselves. It's unnecessarily cruel, and can be dangerous to the dogs too.

These are also the same people who use the excuse "it's pest control" to do some unnecessarily brutal things like this. I don't care if it's a pest or feral animal, it's still a living creature, there's really no need for mindless sadism. But since they're "feral", apparently it's OK to do shit like that? I never understood this argument (this can also apply to rabbits, rats, foxes, etc). How is it even an argument, anyway? Seems like people will use any excuse to justify their behaviour.

People like that also give hunters a bad name, make them look malicious and sadistic. One of my best friends used to hunt out in the country, and he's pretty appalled by the acts I mentioned. I for one would like to see such people punished, but people only seem to care for the welfare of cats and dogs. I'd like to see hefty punishments for people who are intentionally sadistic and excessively cruel, feral or otherwise.

What do you guys think? I'd also like to hear the opinions of people who have actually hunted before, in particular feral pigs.

Good hunters do not torture animals. In fact torturers of animals are not hunters they are sick mongrels , no offence to my bitsa dog, feral pigs can be a really bad thing around farms, good shooters need to cull them, not half pissed w***ers that think they are great white hunters.

And speaking of great whites, leave them alone completely, they don,t stuff up crops and farm land.

 

[edgie]

For some lolz

http://www.facebook.com/events/252519161531264/

 

[Thrawn]

I don't see the point of that, no one here is really against boar hunting.

 

[Rioli magic]

Didnt see the report you are talking about, but this doesn't sound like normal pig hunting. Dogs are used for their ability (sight, scent, speed,endurance, strength etc) to find and hold pigs (or bail them up) until they can be disposed of quickly and safely, normally by stabbing it in the heart. This is how you would normally hunt pigs with dogs.

No idea what these freaks were doing.

 

[filandia2nuts]

Here is the link for people to watch:

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3547927.htm

 

[Jonts]

Gone Hog hunting before, shot to the neck, normall some sort of lead rifle then snap its neck

What they showed was the cheats way of doing it, like driving automatic doesn't really count. But its inhumane and normally looked down opun. But they cant just spotlight them like its a rabbit or a fox

 

[filandia2nuts]

Oh yeah, forgot to add to the link above-

WTF is wrong with people?
Sometimes I think I'm the only normal person left on the planet.
Who enjoys watching an animal die a slow and painful death?
Even if they are a pest (my parents/grandparents/etc... were farmers)