Place kick

[koutawalker]

During the year in one of the games on MMM i think it was Dermie not sure but was talking about the place kick. Is the place kick allowed?
If it is and a player marks on the goal line or is given a 50m penalty and doesn't want to take the chance of kicking in tho the man on the mark or missing would he be allowed to place the ball on the line and dribble it through?

 

[Fred]

You'd still have someone on the mark no matter what sort of kick was used. I've never understood why its still not used for goalkicking as it's the most accurate kick of all.

 

[koutawalker]

Originally posted by Fred
You'd still have someone on the mark no matter what sort of kick was used. I've never understood why its still not used for goalkicking as it's the most accurate kick of all.

Thanks Fred. When did it start to become extict because i never new it could be used til i heard that on MMM?

 

[Fred]

Was last used in a VFL game in 1955 by Tony Ongarello of Fitzroy.
Good player, lousy kick.

 

[bigmicka]

with a place kick, the mark is actually brought forward. i cant remember how much its supposed to be, something like 10ft, roughly 5 metres.

mic

 

[Brian]

That's incorrect .The mark is always the mark and it's up to you how far you go back and what syle of kick you do .There is room for the place kick and the the torpedo when kicking at goal for greater distanse and accuracy .A player in the WAFL was penalised for time wasting when he attempted to place kick in the backline however with time on it's not an issue.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by bigmicka
with a place kick, the mark is actually brought forward. i cant remember how much its supposed to be, something like 10ft, roughly 5 metres.

mic

Dunno where you got that from. No way the kicker would be forced to kick from further out. The mark, ie, where the opponent stands, wouldn't change, but the ball would be placed some distance back at the discretion of the kicker. No different to now really - the kicker can kick as far back from the mark as they like.
10ft is about 3 metres.

 

[bigmicka]

lol i got it from Dermie, he tried to do place kick in a vfl game at some point, he said that in a interview after it happened.

knew i shouldnt trust anything he says.

mic

 

[Brian]

Nowadays you can go back as far as you want and be protected .That wasn't always so .I remember a West Perth guy stole the ball off of a Subiaco player after he'd gone too far back on the mark .I remember because I was so POed

 

[The Passenger]

i don't see any reason why you couldn't place kick, but i would've thought it much easier to put a drop punt through the and a place kick......

 

[catattack]

Players probably wouldn't feel totally in control of the ball from a place kick, than they would from a standard set shot. Kicking is practiced so much, but a place kick is a totally new skill. Because it has been out of the game for so long, and the game changing every year, it would be hard to see it become a part of the game again.

 

[Fire]

It was always my understanding that no one stood the mark during a place kick. I remember reading that soewhere.

One round this season i started doing place kicks at training. The whole team ended up doing them in the warm ups. Delayed training by half an hour, but it was worth it.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by catattack
..........but a place kick is a totally new skill.

Not for all of us. Same goes for the dropkick.

 

[The Fireman]

Originally posted by Fred
Not for all of us. Same goes for the dropkick.

aahh the drop kick (and I'm not talkin about Chris_Judd)
how sweet it was to get onto one them little babies, go a mile and you couldn't even feel it off the boot.

and luuuved the stab pass.

 

[Brian]

The drop kick and place kick are totally OLD skills .The drop kick probably wont come back because it takes greater timing and there is more scope for error as the ball travels a greater distance and can be affected by wind etc .However the place kick with a little bit of practice reduces the margin for error as the ball is at the right height and angle .Only have to pace the setback and timing is not an issue .Also there is less error with the torpedo because the ball is held onto longer and drops less as it is kicked higher off the ground .Unfortunately a lot of players make the mistake of putting too much angle on the ball .

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Brian
The drop kick and place kick are totally OLD skills .The drop kick probably wont come back because it takes greater timing and there is more scope for error as the ball travels a greater distance and can be affected by wind etc .However the place kick with a little bit of practice reduces the margin for error as the ball is at the right height and angle .Only have to pace the setback and timing is not an issue .Also there is less error with the torpedo because the ball is held onto longer and drops less as it is kicked higher off the ground .Unfortunately a lot of players make the mistake of putting too much angle on the ball .

Maybe that's all true but for players at the top of their profession and paid a large amount to play, they should be capable of all the skills, especially one as basic as kicking.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by yob
Help me out here boys. What the hell is a placekick?

Like a conversion in rugby.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Fred
Like a conversion in rugby.

Help me out here boys. What the hell is a rugby?

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Porthos
Help me out here boys. What the hell is a rugby?

Can't tell you for sure - just caught a glimpse during replays of "The Ascent Of Man" Definately used a place kick in some primitive game they played.

 

[Cyclops]

I think the various styles of kicking have been pushed out of the game by proffessionalism and regimentation.

Coaches generally want players to produce consistent results, and the drop punt is a generally safe kick that can be used for short and long passing, as well as shots for goal.

In the past a player might use a stab pass for a short pass, a drop kick over 40 metres or a torp for a roost and a flat punt shooting for goal. However not all players can master these skills, and they have varying degrees of accuracy..

I was amazed to read that John Nicholls banned the drop kick at Carlton when he was coach because it was less accurate than the drop punt. apparently he had the stats to prove it.

I have always thought of the drop kick as a very safe kick, but I guess like a torp, when it goes off line it really goes off line. The drop punt is a less precise kick, but it usually there-abouts, so coaches prefer it.

There is till a place in modern footy for snaps, bananas (including the Daicos special deliberately grubbed "underground banana"), torps and even stab passes, but place kicks take too long, and drop kicks are such a specialised skill, so they have gone. Flat punts were just ugly (pretty accurate though) so they have died out too.

I'm glad that there are still nutcases like Blight who encourage the beautiful skills of the game, and madmen like Rocca to punch soaring torps through the air.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by Cyclops

I was amazed to read that John Nicholls banned the drop kick at Carlton when he was coach because it was less accurate than the drop punt. apparently he had the stats to prove it.

I have always thought of the drop kick as a very safe kick, but I guess like a torp, when it goes off line it really goes off line. The drop punt is a less precise kick, but it usually there-abouts, so coaches prefer it.

It's difficult to get a drop off line, unlike a torp. Failed drops are generally due to being grubbers or being skied.
The good exponents however, rarely did either.

 

[LordLucifer]

The longest kick ever in VFL/AFL history was a place kick by Brian McNamara.

During one of those 'heritage' games, Craig Bradley ran into an open goal and kicked it through with a drop-kick.

 

[Fred]

Originally posted by TheSheik
The longest kick ever in VFL/AFL history was a place kick by Brian McNamara.

During one of those 'heritage' games, Craig Bradley ran into an open goal and kicked it through with a drop-kick.

Dave McNamara actually. It was measured at 93 yards.

 

[LordLucifer]

I knew it was McNamara but where did I get 'Brian' from ???? Thanks for correcting me Freddy.

 

[riccardo]

If a place kick requires the ball the be put on the ground, would that not constitute play on, as the ball has been disposed of by the player?
Couldn't see it working in the modern day. You'd need to dig a mound for putting the ball onto, and that could cause injuries if any player tripped in the hole (plus, it would take about an hour to break through the Telstra Dome surface, wouldn't it? )