Analysis Play Todd Marshall...

[El_Scorcho]

Marshall and Westhoff aren't the same player, however there wasn't room for both of them in the side late last year and ultimately Westhoff was made way for.

Westhoff's influence had diminished significantly with age and the 6-6-6 rule, which prevented him from playing his most effective role.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I would be pretty thrilled if he kicked 11 goals in the last 6 games, especially after last week's game.

Over a full season as stipulated by Schulzenfest there would give him 3 extra games.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Over a full season as stipulated by Schulzenfest there would give him 3 extra games.

And he did get subbed out of a game in the first few minutes, so really it should be 4.

 

[Powerage]

Over a full season as stipulated by Schulzenfest there would give him 3 extra games.

And he did get subbed out of a game in the first few minutes, so really it should be 4.

Nonetheless, he has kicked 16 goals in 13 games (we will make it 4 games he missed) this season which rounds off to an average 1.2 goals a game. His career average is 1 goal a game.

So, if he kicked 11 goals in 6 games to get to 27 at an average of 1.8 goals a game, I would be pretty thrilled. Especially given his return against Melbourne.

 

[philthy05]

Here’s an interesting fact.

Currently only 3 teams have 3 kpf who look to kick 20+ goals.

Marshall is on track to finish as the leagues 2nd highest 3rd goal scoring kpf in the league.

And there would be a massive gap between him and 4th.
west coast port and Brisbane might just sneak in if mcstay kicks 6 goals from the remaining 5 matches.

and ports kfs are doing it in a horrendous system.

and Todd is still a developing 22yr old who we all agree had room to improve.

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

lets play this soft piece of forward brilliance, you know its the winning percentage thing that counts (ken logic)

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

Here’s an interesting fact.

Currently only 3 teams have 3 kpf who look to kick 20+ goals.

Marshall is on track to finish as the leagues 2nd highest 3rd goal scoring kpf in the league.

And there would be a massive gap between him and 4th.
west coast port and Brisbane might just sneak in if mcstay kicks 6 goals from the remaining 5 matches.

and ports kfs are doing it in a horrendous system.

and Todd is still a developing 22yr old who we all agree had room to improve.

you could definately get a job with the labor party with that load of spin, all the head nodders will vote you in no worries

 

[philthy05]

you could definately get a job with the labor party with that load of spin, all the head nodders will vote you in no worries

I provided simple facts.

If you think those facts are spin, you’re admitting a willingness to avoid truth that doesn’t fit your narrative.

Of 18 teams in the comp, only 3 sides have a chance for 3 kfs to kick 20+ goals

Marshall is on track to be the 2nd highest output of the 3rd goal kicking kfs.

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

I provided simple facts.

If you think those facts are spin, you’re admitting a willingness to avoid truth that doesn’t fit your narrative.

Of 18 teams in the comp, only 3 sides have a chance for 3 kfs to kick 20+ goals

Marshall is on track to be the 2nd highest output of the 3rd goal kicking kfs.

thats why most people within the club and nearly all those outside the club consider him a marshmallow, the stats mean nothing because when you watch the games the failures are obvious. the only thing Marshall is on track for is a stint in the sanfl

 

[JUSTWORK]

Here’s an interesting fact.

Currently only 3 teams have 3 kpf who look to kick 20+ goals.

Marshall is on track to finish as the leagues 2nd highest 3rd goal scoring kpf in the league.

And there would be a massive gap between him and 4th.
west coast port and Brisbane might just sneak in if mcstay kicks 6 goals from the remaining 5 matches.

and ports kfs are doing it in a horrendous system.

and Todd is still a developing 22yr old who we all agree had room to improve.

Why is it the “developing tall” line only applies to Marshall and not Ladhams, who is also a developing tall, but has played half as many games as Marshall and isn’t playing his natural position at AFL level (splitting his time between ruck and KPF)

For comparison sakes, at the same age (coincidentally also almost the same amount of games), Ladhams is ahead of Max Gawn in most areas of his game (disposals, hitouts, clearances, tackles, contested possessions, I50 and level for goals) but everyone on here is very quick to call for Ladhams to be dropped and even traded.

However after Marshall puts up games where he is non competitive everyone jump to his defence because he is “developing” and makes excuses for why he should hold his spot, why the complete double standard ?

 

[JUSTWORK]

I provided simple facts.

If you think those facts are spin, you’re admitting a willingness to avoid truth that doesn’t fit your narrative.

Of 18 teams in the comp, only 3 sides have a chance for 3 kfs to kick 20+ goals

Marshall is on track to be the 2nd highest output of the 3rd goal kicking kfs.

Ok, for comparison sakes. Who are the other players you are comparing him to here ?

 

[philthy05]

Why is it the “developing tall” line only applies to Marshall and not Ladhams, who is also a developing tall, but has played half as many games as Marshall and isn’t playing his natural position at AFL level (splitting his time between ruck and KPF)

For comparison sakes, at the same age (coincidentally also almost the same amount of games), Ladhams is ahead of Max Gawn in most areas of his game (disposals, hitouts, clearances, tackles, contested possessions, I50 and level for goals) but everyone on here is very quick to call for Ladhams to be dropped and even traded.

However after Marshall puts up games where he is non competitive everyone jump to his defence because he is “developing” and makes excuses for why he should hold his spot, why the complete double standard ?

Ladhams is a developing ruck, not a developing kf. This belongs in the Pete Ladhams thread.

We’ve managed to get quite a few games into him while already carrying a senior first ruck in the side.
max Gawn is a bad comparison. He suffered career ending injury after career ending injury to start his career.

Ok, for comparison sakes. Who are the other players you are comparing him to here ?

Every team in the afl? Every kf in the afl?

I thought that was very clear by the statement.

I went though afl.com stats team by team and looked at how many teams had 3 kfs tracking to kick 20+ goals.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Here’s an interesting fact.

Currently only 3 teams have 3 kpf who look to kick 20+ goals.

Marshall is on track to finish as the leagues 2nd highest 3rd goal scoring kpf in the league.

And there would be a massive gap between him and 4th.
west coast port and Brisbane might just sneak in if mcstay kicks 6 goals from the remaining 5 matches.

and ports kfs are doing it in a horrendous system.

and Todd is still a developing 22yr old who we all agree had room to improve.

I hate to have to keep kicking Marshall but people are being over the top defending him.

I would have picked Marshall every week he has been picked and have defended his inclusion but...

He has great potential but he needs to lead more and he needs to give a better contest when it is his turn.

Thursday nights game was unacceptable.

This kind of defence is akin to the stats the Crows used to bring out to defend Jenkins.

Ask yourself this. How many times has Marshall halved a contested 50:50 or a contest he had no right to halve to allow a small forward to kick a goal?

FWIW I won't melt if they pick him again with kick up the arse. I probably WILL melt if they pick him again and he delivers the same.

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[philthy05]

thats why most people within the club and nearly all those outside the club consider him a marshmallow,

This is a blatant lie yeah? Why would you even think that anyone would believe this crap you’ve just made up?

the stats mean nothing because when you watch the games the failures are obvious. the only thing Marshall is on track for is a stint in the sanfl

You mean you will disregard evidence cause you hate him that much.

 

[Powerage]

I provided simple facts.

If you think those facts are spin, you’re admitting a willingness to avoid truth that doesn’t fit your narrative.

Of 18 teams in the comp, only 3 sides have a chance for 3 kfs to kick 20+ goals

Marshall is on track to be the 2nd highest output of the 3rd goal kicking kfs.

How many teams play 3 kpfs, and of those how many team have had 3 kpfs play 13 or more games? In fact how many 3rd kpfs have played 13 or more games? No ruckmen who spend less than half a game forward please. And why is Todd the 3rd kpf all of a sudden when he has played 47 matches to Mitch's 22 and is 7cm taller?

 

[philthy05]

How many teams play 3 kpfs, and of those how many team have had 3 kpfs play 13 or more games? In fact how many 3rd kpfs have played 13 or more games? No ruckmen who spend less than half a game forward please. And why is Todd the 3rd kpf all of a sudden when he has played 47 matches to Mitch's 22 and is 7cm taller?

the criteria was simple.

it didn’t matter which of the kfs kicked what amount of goals. Whether Todd is the 2nd or 3rd is completely irrelevant.

which teams have 3 kfs kick over 20+ goals this year. Only 3 teams are possibly going to achieve that.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Why is it the “developing tall” line only applies to Marshall and not Ladhams, who is also a developing tall, but has played half as many games as Marshall and isn’t playing his natural position at AFL level (splitting his time between ruck and KPF)

Probably because developing tall is applied to developing tall key position players. If you are talking about a ruck then most people would call them a developing ruck.

For comparison sakes, at the same age (coincidentally also almost the same amount of games), Ladhams is ahead of Max Gawn in most areas of his game (disposals, hitouts, clearances, tackles, contested possessions, I50 and level for goals) but everyone on here is very quick to call for Ladhams to be dropped and even traded.

Max Gawn did his ACL twice in 3 years. Ladhams has had (from memory and cursory Google search) no injuries of note. Not to mention that Gawn played mostly forward early in his career for a cellar dwelling Melbourne.

However after Marshall puts up games where he is non competitive everyone jump to his defence because he is “developing” and makes excuses for why he should hold his spot, why the complete double standard ?

What's this everyone rubbish? The majority of posts on here are calling for him to be dropped or implying he's delist-worthy. Not to mention the shit he's received/receiving on social media. He holds his spot because we don't draft key position players. There is no one that is good enough to replace him. If Ollie Lord had a normal year last year or was in his second or third season and had the capability to get through a game I'm sure no one would have a problem with him talking Marshall's place.

 

[AFC AFeederClub]

This is a blatant lie yeah? Why would you even think that anyone would believe this crap you’ve just made up?


You mean you will disregard evidence cause you hate him that much.

I don't hate him, I think he can be a player but hes lazy as heck and soft, never gloss over laziness for talent

 

[JUSTWORK]

Every team in the afl? Every kf in the afl?

I thought that was very clear by the statement.

I went though afl.com stats team by team and looked at how many teams had 3 kfs tracking to kick 20+ goals.

You’ve clearly just done the research, so I though I’d ask you who are these other 3rd talls he’s ahead of that you’re comparing him to.

The first I’ve come across would be Flogarty who Marshall is 1 goal ahead of but has played 2 more games.

We laugh at the fact that Flogarty is a spud and barely up to AFL standard and is currently not getting a game behind Frampton.

Everyone one on here wants to see Marshall succeed, but if he puts in efforts like we saw last week he should not be above being dropped. Some people just don’t make excuses for him like others do.

 

[MrMeaner]

I hate to have to keep kicking Marshall but people are being over the top defending him.

I would have picked Marshall every week he has been picked and have defended his inclusion but...

He has great potential but he needs to lead more and he needs to give a better contest when it is his turn.

Thursday nights game was unacceptable.

...

FWIW I won't melt if they pick him again with lick up the arse. I probably WILL melt if they pick him again and he delivers the same.

I agree with all of this (assuming you meant a 'kick' not a 'lick' - I'm not sure the latter is much of an incentive). He does need a kick up the arse after Thursday. It was unacceptable. But I await to see his response this week before condemning him.

The other thing is that, we don't really have someone to replace him without messing up what little structure we have in the forward line at the moment. As I've said above, Ladhams isn't it. Lord might be longterm but he's not ready. Williams had a taste but the result was there for everyone to see. As much as I want to see Hayes, I understand he's not the answer forward either. Obviously, if keeps being a Todd liability, he should be dropped and something gaffered together. But I don't think it's warranted yet.

 

[PPort]

Agree, developing forward Marshall had a lousy game (along with more than half the side. Key forward Charlie had his arse handed to him on a plate - but no ones talking about that.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Agree, developing forward Marshall had a lousy game (along with more than half the side. Key forward Charlie had his arse handed to him on a plate - but no ones talking about that.

There probably a reason for that….

Dixon kicked 2 goals, had twice as many disposals and took 4 contested marks (despite playing on probably the best defender in the game at the moment)

 

[Duckimus Prime]

I like how the Marshall defences have dropped to making him the third tall, rather than the second.

Maybe if just add Ladhams to the starting forward line, then we can say Marshall is the 4th tall.

 

[chiwigi]

I like how the Marshall defences have dropped to making him the third tall, rather than the second.

Maybe if just add Ladhams to the starting forward line, then we can say Marshall is the 4th tall.

Hey Aliir played forward, so he already is .

 

[backtozero]

I like how the Marshall defences have dropped to making him the third tall, rather than the second.

Maybe if just add Ladhams to the starting forward line, then we can say Marshall is the 4th tall.

This. I dont think we drafted him with the idea in mind that he play third fiddle. God help us when Dixon retires.