List Mgmt. Player Ages Thread

[rines]

Don't you spend every preseason trying to convince us that half our side is tradebale for a pick inside the top 4 because the potential draftees are that good?

Nope. But thanks anyway.

I hardly think that suggesting packaging Myers and something for Pick 2.. is half the side.

In fact I think you will find I was a very strong advocate of us not losing any of our list.. and instead picking up a free agent or two if we could to supplement what I think is a Top 4 list.

But it requires thought, consideration and an active hippocampus to recall such things with accuracy.

 

[rines]

You've got to be joking. How was the great Geelong side built? Hawks - Franklin, Hodge, Roughead?
Pies - Pendlebury, Beams, etc etc. How has Port turned it around.

1st round draft picks are crucial. Silly post really.

Lol.. you simply can not be serious.

Geelong was through an excellent recruiting team that was able to harness late draft picks and built a side around consistent effort and performance. I think they only had two picks inside the top 10.. and they wasted one of them on Tenance...

Hawks leveraged Croad to their advantage for sure, and got lucky on the rebound... I would also suggest that it was the result of far more than just Roughie and Franklin that has created success. They have leveraged drafting and the recruitment of older bodies, also the ploy of recruiting left handers worked early too.. I also believe the appointment of Alastair Clarkson helped..

Collingwood wasted as many picks (josh fraser anyone) before they finally realised that they should stop chasing 'the one' and instead create a team plan. Malthouse helped and so did some mature aged drafting and recruiting. I agree that having the likes of Pendlebury and Thomas helped.. but Swan, Cloke, Beams, Jolly and Tarrant et al were the reason they won a flag..

1st round draft picks are good, nice and I wouldn't voluntarily throw them away.. but for a savvy recruitment team it should not cripple us.

One player does not a team make. And PLENTY of first round draft picks fail.. along with most of their year...

 

[rines]

I believe Rines has got inside word about this

Nope.. sorry. I'm sure you do though.. you are an excellent judge of talent.

I think you predicted a break out year for Gumby four years running? How is that going for you?

 

[Phone]

I think you predicted a break out year for Gumby four years running? How is that going for you?

honestly does this sound like a thing I would say. i'm not a kid anymore. shit like that belongs with "player (x) is my boy"

 

[Ben the Gooner]

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Best wishes to Gumby. And I honestly mean that. I have no hard feeling over him moving at all. I genuinely hope he takes the game by storm next year.

Welcome officially to the club Chappy, at least you legit want to win a flag, unlike Dal Santo. As for the other scum that wanted him, Carlton... Well they ended up with Andrejs Everitt and kept Bootsma!!!!


Awesome trade period!

North will challenge for top 4 next year, they fixed their biggest weakness by adding Tudor. It should have been as senior coach though.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Gumby will tear it up at Freo.

 

[WEEVZ]

Carlisle was drafted as a forward also....

That's been our biggest issue, we've been drafting defenders as forwards instead of drafting genuine forwards (like Daniher).

 

[Kaiser Powser]

That's harsh on Gumby. He hasn't been able to build strength because of his bank injury doing consecutive preseasons may improve him dramatically.

I hate it when you check your account and realise you have suffered one of these

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Lol.. you simply can not be serious.

Geelong was through an excellent recruiting team that was able to harness late draft picks and built a side around consistent effort and performance. I think they only had two picks inside the top 10.. and they wasted one of them on Tenance...

Hawks leveraged Croad to their advantage for sure, and got lucky on the rebound... I would also suggest that it was the result of far more than just Roughie and Franklin that has created success. They have leveraged drafting and the recruitment of older bodies, also the ploy of recruiting left handers worked early too.. I also believe the appointment of Alastair Clarkson helped..

Collingwood wasted as many picks (josh fraser anyone) before they finally realised that they should stop chasing 'the one' and instead create a team plan. Malthouse helped and so did some mature aged drafting and recruiting. I agree that having the likes of Pendlebury and Thomas helped.. but Swan, Cloke, Beams, Jolly and Tarrant et al were the reason they won a flag..

1st round draft picks are good, nice and I wouldn't voluntarily throw them away.. but for a savvy recruitment team it should not cripple us.

One player does not a team make. And PLENTY of first round draft picks fail.. along with most of their year...

Not just talking about 1st rounders. You said "how useless draft picks can be." Yet a study since 2000 shows Cats, Hawks, Pies, Saints, Eagles, Swans have been most successful at drafting.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dep...ta-investigation/story-fna8vsun-1226521785505

 

[darrenbewick#8]

would we look at alan didak as a delisted FA? given that we lost goalkicking power Crameri (huge) and Gumb(not so much), ie need another forward who can be relied on to actually kick around 30 goals a year to complement daniher/tbel/ryder/hurley/chapman fwd line

pick 26(gartlett or apeness) pick 55, 1 delisted FA
delist davey and or pears
so OUT: crameri, gumb,hille, nlm, hunter(rookie), davis, davey possibly pears
IN: aylett, edwards, chapman, didak, gartlett, apeness re rookie dell and stein, use pick #66 to upgrade dalgliesh and after draft and at season start under AFL rules we can upgrade 1 rookie, possibly upgrade stein as well if pears goes
this would complete a very good trade period for us given constraints of losing draft picks and we gain exactly what we need !

 

[Eleven 38]

Didak wouldn't get a game ahead of winders and chappy..

 

[eth-dog]

Didak wouldn't get a game ahead of winders and chappy..

And then you'd prefer someone like Merrett or Edwards or O'Brien to get games ahead of him

 

[darrenbewick#8]

the problem is our fwd line is a bit IFy winders, chappy, hurley injury prone, daniher needs to kick more accurately , tbel/ryder are resting ruckmen only , davey, kommer, merrett, nob, jetta dont kick enough goals and cant be relied on to be a regular 35-goal a year forward vs say a dawks fwd line that 6 genuine goalkicking forwards which made them so potent - roughy, buddy, breust, gunston, hale, puopolo etc.
so we need genuine goalkickers to offer depth and class didak offers that maybe be worth a 1-2 year deal to fill a short term need

 

[Loonerty]

No. No. No. No. Dear. God. No.

 

[calyam]

the problem is our fwd line is a bit IFy winders, chappy, hurley injury prone, daniher needs to kick more accurately , tbel/ryder are resting ruckmen only , davey, kommer, merrett, nob, jetta dont kick enough goals and cant be relied on to be a regular 35-goal a year forward vs say a dawks fwd line that 6 genuine goalkicking forwards which made them so potent - roughy, buddy, breust, gunston, hale, puopolo etc.
so we need genuine goalkickers to offer depth and class didak offers that maybe be worth a 1-2 year deal to fill a short term need

Luckily for us Buddy has headed north. As for Didak, we'd get more out of putting our suspended coach on the rookie list. Didak hasn't been a good footballer for three seasons. He has nothing to offer anyone.

 

[rines]

Not just talking about 1st rounders. You said "how useless draft picks can be." Yet a study since 2000 shows Cats, Hawks, Pies, Saints, Eagles, Swans have been most successful at drafting.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/dep...ta-investigation/story-fna8vsun-1226521785505

I'm not sure why you reference an article that proves my point??!

Yep.. Geelong has been successful not because they got 3/4 of the 'first round' picks right.. but more basically then have kept nailing the choices in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds... ie.. talent identification.. not a draft number.

The point being that if you don't have good talent identification, recruit inductions and then development staff... you can have all the draft picks in the world and it might not make a difference.

Thus why I am unequivocally supportive of the clubs long term strategy since Bomber/Hird arrived (and probably the years before that with Knights) was to 'develop our own'. This meant getting serious about identifying talent outside the usual sources (Frankston anyone) but also making sure that when we did pick a kid, we invested in that kid. That is why we have consciously decided to give 'preference' to kids who followed Essendon or have some link to us. Again that isn't the ONLY criteria.. but it is a factor to ensure that we have kids committed to the cause..

I will stand by my comment, "draft picks can be useless"

Take a look at Melbournes list... and the very article you linked and you will understand why.

Gumby's trade value was higher three years ago.. and we should have jumped then, we held on hoping he would click.. but it just never happened for him... which is a shame because having met him a couple of times.. it is genuine when ppl say he is a ripping bloke.. seems a really nice guy.. but the writing has been on the wall for a while..

 

[Schopp]

"The point being that if you don't have good talent identification, recruit inductions and then development staff... you can have all the draft picks in the world and it might not make a difference."

Or when your head recruiter is given game day duties and not out watching the best kids live. The club was wealthy but v.stingy at the same time and we paid the price for it. The current drafting setup must be maintained.

On Gumby that brief period he played in 2010 kept us hanging on, Richo like in ways (also with the poor kicking which he has seemed to rectify recently). Certainly justified in hoping that he would come good, maybe the Dockers will send him to Chris Martinovich a famous chiro just of South Terrace Freo, the guy is known to work wonders on backs in many cases where every other avenue has failed. Gumby was a real tease not through any fault of his own, his scenario a real dammit ball.

 

[JR95]

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North will challenge for top 4 next year, they fixed their biggest weakness by adding Tudor. It should have been as senior coach though.

I would be suprised if North Melbourne got anywhere near the top 4. Bunch of front running squibs. I have never heard of a more overrated and over-hyped team in hostory. The way people carried on this year as if they were the best team of all time to ever miss out on the top 8 was pathetic.

The reason they didn't make the 8 is because they weren't good enough plain and simple. They choked and lost a number of games after leading heavily. It is either a physical thing where they can't physically run out games, they get lazy late in games, a mental thing or poor team structures that allows them to be opened up towards the end of games.

Personally I think their coach is a right twat also which wouldn't help. Is always having a sook or a sulk about something and how he carries on sometimes is nothing short of embarrassing. It makes me so glad that we have someone of the character and intelligence of a Jimmy Hird or 'Bomber'Thompson helping shape our young list rather than a prat like one of the Scott brothers.

I don't see North Melbourne anywhere near the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney, Fremantle or even us.

But I don't rate them that much which could be why. I just see a bruise free footy team.

 

[HirdyLannister]

I just see a bruise free footy team.

The addition of NDS should change that

 

[Big Fresh]

I would be suprised if North Melbourne got anywhere near the top 4. Bunch of front running squibs. I have never heard of a more overrated and over-hyped team in hostory. The way people carried on this year as if they were the best team of all time to ever miss out on the top 8 was pathetic.

The reason they didn't make the 8 is because they weren't good enough plain and simple. They choked and lost a number of games after leading heavily. It is either a physical thing where they can't physically run out games, they get lazy late in games, a mental thing or poor team structures that allows them to be opened up towards the end of games.

Personally I think their coach is a right twat also which wouldn't help. Is always having a sook or a sulk about something and how he carries on sometimes is nothing short of embarrassing. It makes me so glad that we have someone of the character and intelligence of a Jimmy Hird or 'Bomber'Thompson helping shape our young list rather than a prat like one of the Scott brothers.

I don't see North Melbourne anywhere near the likes of Hawthorn, Geelong, Sydney, Fremantle or even us.

But I don't rate them that much which could be why. I just see a bruise free footy team.

Thank you. Finally someone sees North for the mediocre side that they are. Not particularly strong on any line, and mentally very weak. Don't get me started on how overrated Ziebell is.

 

[bomberman500]

would we look at alan didak as a delisted FA? given that we lost goalkicking power Crameri (huge) and Gumb(not so much), ie need another forward who can be relied on to actually kick around 30 goals a year to complement daniher/tbel/ryder/hurley/chapman fwd line

pick 26(gartlett or apeness) pick 55, 1 delisted FA
delist davey and or pears
so OUT: crameri, gumb,hille, nlm, hunter(rookie), davis, davey possibly pears
IN: aylett, edwards, chapman, didak, gartlett, apeness re rookie dell and stein, use pick #66 to upgrade dalgliesh and after draft and at season start under AFL rules we can upgrade 1 rookie, possibly upgrade stein as well if pears goes
this would complete a very good trade period for us given constraints of losing draft picks and we gain exactly what we need !

Pears stays!!
finally had an injury free season, give him another pre season and he should be good to go.
hes the 3rd tall defender when fletcher goes

 

[bomberman500]

I'm not sure why you reference an article that proves my point??!

Yep.. Geelong has been successful not because they got 3/4 of the 'first round' picks right.. but more basically then have kept nailing the choices in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds... ie.. talent identification.. not a draft number.

The point being that if you don't have good talent identification, recruit inductions and then development staff... you can have all the draft picks in the world and it might not make a difference.

Thus why I am unequivocally supportive of the clubs long term strategy since Bomber/Hird arrived (and probably the years before that with Knights) was to 'develop our own'. This meant getting serious about identifying talent outside the usual sources (Frankston anyone) but also making sure that when we did pick a kid, we invested in that kid. That is why we have consciously decided to give 'preference' to kids who followed Essendon or have some link to us. Again that isn't the ONLY criteria.. but it is a factor to ensure that we have kids committed to the cause..

I will stand by my comment, "draft picks can be useless"

Take a look at Melbournes list... and the very article you linked and you will understand why.

Gumby's trade value was higher three years ago.. and we should have jumped then, we held on hoping he would click.. but it just never happened for him... which is a shame because having met him a couple of times.. it is genuine when ppl say he is a ripping bloke.. seems a really nice guy.. but the writing has been on the wall for a while..

I think the last 1st rounder we have drafted that didn't go for essendon as a kid was melksham.... dirty norf supporter

 

[lenny2013]

the problem is our fwd line is a bit IFy winders, chappy, hurley injury prone, daniher needs to kick more accurately , tbel/ryder are resting ruckmen only , davey, kommer, merrett, nob, jetta dont kick enough goals and cant be relied on to be a regular 35-goal a year forward vs say a dawks fwd line that 6 genuine goalkicking forwards which made them so potent - roughy, buddy, breust, gunston, hale, puopolo etc.

If our young mids like Zaka Hep Melk & Myers can come on it would allow BJ to spend more minutes across half forward and could become that extra 30+ goal kicker a year that we need, he kicked 18 goals this year so bit more time forward he' do 30+ easy.

Ryders the other one that i think we would benefit from spending more minutes in the forward line, probably one of our most reliable shots for goal and better at ground level than TBC.

kicked 18 goals t

 

[BrunoV]

I'm not sure why you reference an article that proves my point??!

Yep.. Geelong has been successful not because they got 3/4 of the 'first round' picks right.. but more basically then have kept nailing the choices in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds... ie.. talent identification.. not a draft number.

The point being that if you don't have good talent identification, recruit inductions and then development staff... you can have all the draft picks in the world and it might not make a difference.

Thus why I am unequivocally supportive of the clubs long term strategy since Bomber/Hird arrived (and probably the years before that with Knights) was to 'develop our own'. This meant getting serious about identifying talent outside the usual sources (Frankston anyone) but also making sure that when we did pick a kid, we invested in that kid. That is why we have consciously decided to give 'preference' to kids who followed Essendon or have some link to us. Again that isn't the ONLY criteria.. but it is a factor to ensure that we have kids committed to the cause..

I will stand by my comment, "draft picks can be useless"

Take a look at Melbournes list... and the very article you linked and you will understand why.

Gumby's trade value was higher three years ago.. and we should have jumped then, we held on hoping he would click.. but it just never happened for him... which is a shame because having met him a couple of times.. it is genuine when ppl say he is a ripping bloke.. seems a really nice guy.. but the writing has been on the wall for a while..

What on earth are you on about? Three years ago Gumby completed 2010 and was looking on track to fulfill his potential. Why would we have traded him? Or are you suggesting that his value was higher when he was lying in a bed with a chronically bad back injury?

 

[Old Campaigner]

That's been our biggest issue, we've been drafting defenders as forwards instead of drafting genuine forwards (like Daniher).

Why is this a problem? Play a guy where it suits the team, not where they played juniors.