Please No Bock

[doodle48]

IF Bock is in our best team we should delist the rest of the team straight away.I have been going to the crows games since their inception and have seen some players who didn't have it and in my opinion Bock is well up in the top group,cant run, mark,kick or man up on an opponent so i
guess he is in the team for some other reason. I will still support the team for ever the coach and match committee for their assessment of Nathan, i hope i am wrong but surely everyone else cant be wrong also.Please make him an emergency and put in Fergus who at least will compete.IF HE PLAYS AND PLAYS WELL which i hope he does i will be first to apologies.

 

[jmorg1]

I think the play that summed up Bock's abilities was when he jumped early, punched nothing but air and let Jay Schulz take a chest mark last year against Richmond.

 

[outback jack]

thats a couple of poor comments there. A couple of you geniuses like to jump on the guy, lets give him say 20-30 games and if is still crap after that then he gets it. He made rapid improvement last yr. Its the same with smith, dont jump on a guy just cause its easy. When you draft talls through the rookie draft you should expect flaws and we need to hope that these can be ironed out. More questions should be asked as to why the rest of the youngsters like smith or schuback arent getting a go and why players like doughty are so highly valued when they are not the future.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

thats a couple of poor comments there. A couple of you geniuses like to jump on the guy, lets give him say 20-30 games and if is still crap after that then he gets it. He made rapid improvement last yr. Its the same with smith, dont jump on a guy just cause its easy. When you draft talls through the rookie draft you should expect flaws and we need to hope that these can be ironed out. More questions should be asked as to why the rest of the youngsters like smith or schuback arent getting a go and why players like doughty are so highly valued when they are not the future.

How so???

 

[outback jack]

How so???

he got better as the yr went on. I liked his performance against goodes (sp) of sydney. He just needs a couple of rules put into him like most of the other not 'complete' players. I would start with, never mark on your chest again

 

[maccas_no1]

Bock is crap and I said that three years ago after seeing him play in the Wizard Cup Semi Final against Richmond in 2001.

 

[outback jack]

Bock is crap and I said that three years ago after seeing him play in the Wizard Cup Semi Final against Richmond in 2001.

you must be right then

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I can't say I have been a huge fan of Bock ... however, lets sort this out once & for all & give him consecuticve games to prove if he has any talent (which I doubt) & give him a key back post for the whole game. Then at least we can say that he was given a fair go.

 

[Sheeds]

What are the chances of Bock being dropped before the game and Watts coming in?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

What are the chances of Bock being dropped before the game and Watts coming in?

Nil. He would have to be injured.

 

[Sheeds]

Nil. He would have to be injured.

That is not the news you want to hear.

Im sure an injury could be arranged between now and the game.

 

[jmorg1]

Ok fine since a few people still have doubts over Bock's crapiness, let him play a few games and demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not up to it.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Ok fine since a few people still have doubts over Bock's crapiness, let him play a few games and demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt that he's not up to it.

Yep, that's the conclusion I have come to as well.

Happy to be proved wrong, but I'm as confident as I was with Marshmellow.

 

[macca23]

thats a couple of poor comments there. A couple of you geniuses like to jump on the guy, lets give him say 20-30 games and if is still crap after that then he gets it. He made rapid improvement last yr. Its the same with smith, dont jump on a guy just cause its easy. When you draft talls through the rookie draft you should expect flaws and we need to hope that these can be ironed out. More questions should be asked as to why the rest of the youngsters like smith or schuback arent getting a go and why players like doughty are so highly valued when they are not the future.

One of your most irrational posts, jackie boy. You're having a go at others for negativity??? Your personal trademark?? Come on.

Back to Bock. I haven't canned him because he's still a work in progress. Not where he should be but shows glimpses. I'm happy to see him given opportunities to prove himself, but i can't say that I'm overly confident.

I find your comment re Smith to be ridiculous. This is his 5th year at the club and he wasn't considered good enough to give a game to at the end of last year when even the property steward was out injured. He has not earned a shot at AFL level by the way he plays his SANFL games. At times you hang crap on players who are playing AFL for the Crows and have earned their spots, and now you're the patron saint of Smith? Get real, jack.

Schuback is struggling to get games at SANFL level and you want to play him in the Crows - again totally irrational.

Finally, to suggest that either of these 2 deserve a spot in front of Doughty IMO sets the seal on one of your silliest posts.

 

[outback jack]

One of your most irrational posts, jackie boy. You're having a go at others for negativity??? Your personal trademark?? Come on.

Back to Bock. I haven't canned him because he's still a work in progress. Not where he should be but shows glimpses. I'm happy to see him given opportunities to prove himself, but i can't say that I'm overly confident.

I find your comment re Smith to be ridiculous. This is his 5th year at the club and he wasn't considered good enough to give a game to at the end of last year when even the property steward was out injured. He has not earned a shot at AFL level by the way he plays his SANFL games. At times you hang crap on players who are playing AFL for the Crows and have earned their spots, and now you're the patron saint of Smith? Get real, jack.

Schuback is struggling to get games at SANFL level and you want to play him in the Crows - again totally irrational.

Finally, to suggest that either of these 2 deserve a spot in front of Doughty IMO sets the seal on one of your silliest posts.

macca you're being silly i've done plenty far worse than that. Like come on. Anyway you say that its irrational and then agree that bock should be given opportunities. This is exactly what i said.

Why is the smith comment ridiculous>? Personally if we had a guy on a rookie list and hes been at the club for 5 yrs i wouldnt have up graded him. However NC did, and has obviously seen something so why hasnt he played him? Its the same principle as with bock. The afl really shows if you're going to make it or not. The only way to find out is to play them. The sanfl is more to get a young players body up to afl conditions and get some good form up at a slightly higher level. From what posters have been saying smith has hit some good form recently too, and deserved to be infront of begley.

schuback same boat, although i believe hes coming back from injury.

Doughty. Is soft as crap, his marking effort against rowe of collingwood is tattooed in my mind. He is not the future. Begley is another. Time to get these pansies out of here i want guys that put themselves on the line.

To wrap up i normally i'd like to have a strong team and a junior, say watts or smith would have a couple of yrs in the sanfl, maybe a game of afl here or there to give them a taste, and then would have to display 10ish strong dominating sanfl games to get a call up. However, we are not in this position and we have basically three yrs left of our gun players, so i'd get the watts, smith, bock etc in as soon as possible fast track them and have a poor yr this yr. That way we can put a line through the ones that arent up to it. We can only finish maybe eighth even if we play the begley or doughty midrange types anyway. The youngsters will be better nxt yr and hopefully we could have a crack in the third yr after these younger types have had 2 yrs at afl level. Instead i doubt roo will play finals footy again and he definitely wont have any realistic chance at the flag as we have no guns coming through.

Also posters bagging bock when hes barely been given a run is a bit rough I reckon. Same with smith. Play them to see what they can do.

 

[macca23]

macca you're being silly i've done plenty far worse than that.

You're right.

I was.

You have.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

I also dont think he is the future of the club, but he is on our list we must play him now since he was named last week irrespective of his first outing.
If he doesnt perform in four or five thats it he as had his chances and didnt take it. As long as they leave him in one position however, its not fair to keep changing players who are struggling to hold their jobs in the side and keep trying to plug holes. Put him at CHB and leave him there. That would give Kenny a chance to take on CHF and see how he goes there.

Thats my two jacks worth.

 

[GoSarge]

thats a couple of poor comments there. A couple of you geniuses like to jump on the guy, lets give him say 20-30 games and if is still crap after that then he gets it. He made rapid improvement last yr. Its the same with smith, dont jump on a guy just cause its easy. When you draft talls through the rookie draft you should expect flaws and we need to hope that these can be ironed out. More questions should be asked as to why the rest of the youngsters like smith or schuback arent getting a go and why players like doughty are so highly valued when they are not the future.

I agree with the Doughty bit. I would think that Van Berlo would be better value long term.

Surely the Bock inclusion ahead of Fergus is puzzling, even for you ?

 

[johnnypanther]

thats a couple of poor comments there. A couple of you geniuses like to jump on the guy, lets give him say 20-30 games and if is still crap after that then he gets it. He made rapid improvement last yr. Its the same with smith, dont jump on a guy just cause its easy. When you draft talls through the rookie draft you should expect flaws and we need to hope that these can be ironed out. More questions should be asked as to why the rest of the youngsters like smith or schuback arent getting a go and why players like doughty are so highly valued when they are not the future.

i pretty much agree with you there jack
- i think that Bock is a deadset rebounding CHB or BP - i suspect he currently drops too many marks because he is trying too hard (much like Perrie) instead of playing by instinct - i actually think he is/was a very good pack mark but his progress since we rookie listed him has almost gone backwards - i saw him take more marks in his 1st year than he does now
Anyway, players of his size and mobility are not that plentiful and i would keep him on our list. IMO even if he does not make it in the 1st team as a CHB or BP (given that we have McGregor,Hentschel,Hart) then i still see him as a valuable back up tall player. but i do think that he is a back man and not a forward

 

[Leaping Lindner]

Bock is the new Hentschel. Read into that what you will.

 

[pext]

Is Bock a dud or a prospective star? I don't know.

The only thing that I do know is that the vast majority of us at BF have very little idea when it comes to talent scouting. I myself swore black and blue that Mattner and Hentschel would never make it at AFL level at the start of '04.

Many of you have also made similar ill fated predictions.

I'm with Jack. How about we give him another dozen games and let the experts decide whether the bloke will make it or not.

We can spend our time discussing things we do know about.... like how soft Scotty Welsh is!

 

[Mad Dog]

thats a couple of poor comments there. A couple of you geniuses like to jump on the guy, lets give him say 20-30 games and if is still crap after that then he gets it. He made rapid improvement last yr. Its the same with smith, dont jump on a guy just cause its easy. When you draft talls through the rookie draft you should expect flaws and we need to hope that these can be ironed out. More questions should be asked as to why the rest of the youngsters like smith or schuback arent getting a go and why players like doughty are so highly valued when they are not the future.

fine - he's had 19....+ tonight = 20.....he will still be crap....so then he can go.

Tell Jack I have absolutely no questions to ask about why Smith isn't getting a game....

 

[Mad Dog]

I can't say I have been a huge fan of Bock ... however, lets sort this out once & for all & give him consecuticve games to prove if he has any talent (which I doubt) & give him a key back post for the whole game. Then at least we can say that he was given a fair go.

I'm hoping this is the rationale....for the final time hopefully....

 

[macca23]

Is Bock a dud or a prospective star? I don't know.

The only thing that I do know is that the vast majority of us at BF have very little idea when it comes to talent scouting. I myself swore black and blue that Mattner and Hentschel would never make it at AFL level at the start of '04.

Many of you have also made similar ill fated predictions.

I'm with Jack. How about we give him another dozen games and let the experts decide whether the bloke will make it or not.

We can spend our time discussing things we do know about.... like how soft Scotty Welsh is!

Can't disagree with what you've said above. Last year every one wanted to hang Mattner and Shirley, who have both had good years so far this year. The year before it was Hentschel.

The jury is still out on Bock. Let's hear all the evidence first before we hang him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Can't disagree with what you've said above. Last year every one wanted to hang Mattner and Shirley, who have both had good years so far this year. The year before it was Hentschel.

The jury is still out on Bock. Let's hear all the evidence first before we hang him.

Do the same rules apply to Smith??????