Opinion Please post all Jake Stringer related opinions in here

[Dynamics]

I don't have a strong opinion on the gambling adds. On the one hand I do see the influence it can have on millennials and gen Zers, but I've spent enough time surrounded by it to see the problems it can cause so don't really see the need to outlaw the advertising. That's coming from someone with their eyes wide open to it.

I think the issue is that education and reform haven't kept pace with the growth of the industry. Right now corporate bookmaking is similar to smoking in the late 80's early 90's.

There was legislation introduced in South Australia on July 1 that will have a significant impact on profits if rolled out Australia wide once that happens the attitudes of Crown and Paddy Power will shift as the stigma around grows. It's the exact same process that the deathsticks went through.

I don't know that legislation is the answer either. It might be a part of the solution. But yeah, I agree. I think that a cultural shift needs to occur and we are playing catch up.

Gambling is an adult activity with significant problems regarding addiction and all the associated issues. As we all know it can be enjoyed safely by many and it can also destroy lives, similar to other legal activities like alcohol consumption.

There was certainly a need to legally ban tobacco advertising etc. I remember as a kid I didn't even realise that Benson and Hedges were cigarettes. I thought it was just the name of the one day cricket series. Which was the whole idea. Normalise you brand. Achieve brand awareness.

Anyhow, have a Winfield.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Corporate bookies, just don't like them. Unsure what they offer back overall to the sport.
Very weird the AFL will get all social on some issues, but ignore completely others.
Very weird the AFL will dismiss executives for behaviour, but ignore other poor behaviour.

 

[Dynamics]

That part was quality. Mindblowing

Appalling if true. But not really surprising. Sadly there are a lot of shitty parents about.

 

[Jasper84]

Interesting juxtaposition with the current AFL sanctioned article on the Rat Pack celebrating their off field indiscretions.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Interesting juxtaposition with the current AFL sanctioned article on the Rat Pack celebrating their off field indiscretions.

Yes good point.

 

[jathanas]

Interesting juxtaposition with the current AFL sanctioned article on the Rat Pack celebrating their off field indiscretions.

Yes, true.

The rat-pack were celebrated for being lads e.g. going out and partying/drinking but still achieving success for the side.

It's when we reflect on what other behavior might have taken place during those outings e.g. the heavy drugs, being in the company of shady people, & whatever else we might imagine that it no longer seems like innocent fun.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Naive to suggest that players aren't players!

Whilst stringer looks to have taken player to an elite level, he'll have to wear it like a crown of thorns, now the article is out.

Ever see the ex Mr Todd Goldstein, remarks etc on her ex? Let's just say she was not happy

 

[Mkcaptain]

Someone was telling me about what a shit bloke Stringer is and all the shit stuff he's done. I hoped it wasn't true but looks like it was on the mark.

Kudos to the club for not chasing him. No matter how tempting it would be

 

[dictaphone]

Yes, true.

The rat-pack were celebrated for being lads e.g. going out and partying/drinking but still achieving success for the side.

It's when we reflect on what other behavior might have taken place during those outings e.g. the heavy drugs, being in the company of shady people, & whatever else we might imagine that it no longer seems like innocent fun.

While I agree with you, can I just say that the drug culture in the AFL is huge across all clubs, much worse than people think or the AFL let's known.

 

[jathanas]

While I agree with you, can I just say that the drug culture in the AFL is huge across all clubs, much worse than people think or the AFL let's known.

It doesn't surprise and I've heard the same thing. Drugs are easily available to the players and it's easier to train the next day when compared to a booze bender.

 

[Jasper84]

Yes, true.

The rat-pack were celebrated for being lads e.g. going out and partying/drinking but still achieving success for the side.

It's when we reflect on what other behavior might have taken place during those outings e.g. the heavy drugs, being in the company of shady people, & whatever else we might imagine that it no longer seems like innocent fun.

I just mentioned this in another thread but there is almost a delusion from these players that their off field behaviour has no effect on the club because they still turn up on game day. How would the "Luke Ball's" of the team feel about putting their all into their professional career only to have it rail roaded by the guys who are hurting the team with off field suspensions and the like?

 

[Luke321]

I also find the betting ads excessive whenever I watch or listen to the footy. I don't get sucked into it never really been into betting. I find the ads annoying after a while. Nothing gets done about the gambling ads because the AFL make so much money off it. Then stories come out about how gambling wrecks people's lives and families. Stringer is just one of many people who have been affected by gambling.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

I just mentioned this in another thread but there is almost a delusion from these players that their off field behaviour has no effect on the club because they still turn up on game day. How would the "Luke Ball's" of the team feel about putting their all into their professional career only to have it rail roaded by the guys who are hurting the team with off field suspensions and the like?

But but but.....

They'll say we loved Our fellow team mates. Don't doubt they believe that.

They would have loved them more by dropping some of the rubbish that doesn't add to being better players.

Maybe the so called rat pack assisted gaining success in 2010 but did it assist or hinder 2011 and other years?

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Ps I should add, I'm not talking about being a puritan.
Enjoy a drink or some fun, all in moderation.

But indulging in illegal drugs
Running around with certain types, no thanks.

 

[jathanas]

I just mentioned this in another thread but there is almost a delusion from these players that their off field behaviour has no effect on the club because they still turn up on game day. How would the "Luke Ball's" of the team feel about putting their all into their professional career only to have it rail roaded by the guys who are hurting the team with off field suspensions and the like?

Agreed, it's a bit self excusing.

We'll never know if 2010 happened because of or despite the rat-pack. Some would say that young men need a pressure release valve to continue to perform, others would suggest that we could have gone even further if 100% of our group were 100% committed.

For all the negative news about Jolly as a bloke, it's well documented that he was a clean-skin that didn't think much of Swan's party lifestyle.

 

[Quicky]

Corporate bookies, just don't like them. Unsure what they offer back overall to the sport.
Very weird the AFL will get all social on some issues, but ignore completely others.
Very weird the AFL will dismiss executives for behaviour, but ignore other poor behaviour.

Money talks unfortunately. There isn't enough incentive for the AFL to give up that revenue stream. But they should take a moral stand on it.

 

[Dynamics]

It doesn't surprise and I've heard the same thing. Drugs are easily available to the players and it's easier to train the next day when compared to a booze bender.

It's now 15 years ago that Dale Lewis spoke up about drug use and was hounded by some for it. Young men with huge disposable income... there's no doubt there are plenty of players using illegal drugs.

 

[Seedsfan]

I don't get the big thing with the betting adds, I never bet but don't have a problem with them at all. People need to be able to make their own decisions right or wrong

 

[jonbe54]

I don't get the big thing with the betting adds, I never bet but don't have a problem with them at all. People need to be able to make their own decisions right or wrong

What part of kids and young adolescents watch them and associate them with thier footy heroes do you not understand? ??

 

[jathanas]

I don't get the big thing with the betting adds, I never bet but don't have a problem with them at all. People need to be able to make their own decisions right or wrong

Philosophically I have an issue with corporate bookies who create profit without any "real" contribution to society. We have a duty to protect the young and impressionable from misconceptions about gambling until they are mature enough to process the "stealth advertising" that is broadcast.

 

[Seedsfan]

What part of kids and young adolescents watch them and associate them with thier footy heroes do you not understand? ??

We have a public holiday to bet on horses and then we get all this false outrage over a few adds. Serious question though is there any data out there tracking the rates of gambling addictions and increased frequency of sports betting adds? Also data that doesn't include pokies or casino based gambling

 

[Seedsfan]

Philosophically I have an issue with corporate bookies who create profit without any "real" contribution to society. We have a duty to protect the young and impressionable from misconceptions about gambling until they are mature enough to process the "stealth advertising" that is broadcast.

Well they do have to pay some tax and do employ people

 

[jonbe54]

We have a public holiday to bet on horses and then we get all this false outrage over a few adds. Serious question though is there any data out there tracking the rates of gambling addictions and increased frequency of sports betting adds? Also data that doesn't include pokies or casino based gambling

 

[wicksy]

I don't get the big thing with the betting adds, I never bet but don't have a problem with them at all. People need to be able to make their own decisions right or wrong

You've proven time and time again that you are most likely 14 with no kids and don't get what affect these ads could have on young, impressionable minds. We'll just wait for you to mature a bit before taking what you say seriously.

 

[wicksy]

We have a public holiday to bet on horses

We do? I thought it was a public holiday to watch horse racing.