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Dont disagree with any of this - certainly we dont want the podcast to detract from the conversation or engagement that is happening. It's also why allrighty's suggestion was considered, but only briefly and rejected for the reasons you've mentioned. It would have been super-easy to do - the podcast goes from a written summary of the day's activities, turned into a 'podcast script' and only then given a 'voice'.

The target audience isn't really anyone who has posted here. It only gets produced once a day and that loses currency even over 24 hours for the keen poster. It's aimed more at that infrequent user or time-poor user who maybe normally only visits every week or so.

So to answer the question - the major business driver of this is to see if can lead to greater participation on the boards, - although we are considering whether that can get sponsored in its own right, as this does cost money. It may not work hence a couple of trials.

Incidentally - latest episode https://www.bigfootycontent.com/podcasts/cats/2026-06-06/

Honestly the AI product in its current form is shit, authenticity is king in this space, interactivity is also valuable, how many youtube channel sign off with "what do you think, leave a comments below" beyond the algorithm people like interacting with something that feels real. If the output feels AI then you might as well use a robot voice. I assume the point of this is to push out content on the cheap. But to make it good/worthwile to consume would require non-content improvements.

I think you have the wrong use case/customer for the short term sentiment data.

If bringing in more traffic is your primary goal then using highly targeted advertisement on Facebook or equivalent would probably be more effective (the offering is quite scary, a campaign at a board level rather than a site level would probably quite effective though the mods probably won't appreciate the influx, and you'd risk a cultural shift of the site if too successful), what percentage of AFL supporters would be aware of the site in the first place. How many do you actually want to capture.

Looking into causes of friction for new users, one average there would be a substaintial gap of time between when users create the account and when they first post. You'd probably see a decent boost by adding a positive affiirmation encouraging people to post that appears the next time someone logs in after 10 unique times of lurking without posting.
 
Honestly the AI product in its current form is shit, authenticity is king in this space, interactivity is also valuable, how many youtube channel sign off with "what do you think, leave a comments below" beyond the algorithm people like interacting with something that feels real. If the output feels AI then you might as well use a robot voice. I assume the point of this is to push out content on the cheap. But to make it good/worthwile to consume would require non-content improvements.

I think you have the wrong use case/customer for the short term sentiment data.

If bringing in more traffic is your primary goal then using highly targeted advertisement on Facebook or equivalent would probably be more effective (the offering is quite scary, a campaign at a board level rather than a site level would probably quite effective though the mods probably won't appreciate the influx, and you'd risk a cultural shift of the site if too successful), what percentage of AFL supporters would be aware of the site in the first place. How many do you actually want to capture.

Looking into causes of friction for new users, one average there would be a substaintial gap of time between when users create the account and when they first post. You'd probably see a decent boost by adding a positive affiirmation encouraging people to post that appears the next time someone logs in after 10 unique times of lurking without posting.
Most of my mates follow the footy keenly. None i know of are on Bigfooty and I've arksed most
 
Awful, hate the idea and agree that it makes the place worse. I think the main real-world use will be reassuring people that nothing new has happened so they don't need to bother checking Bigfooty so it probably won't last too long.

Also FWIW I hate that slimy, familiar, over-eager tone it uses (the main commercial products all write in that same voice though so presumably some people like it). Like a TV show for 8-year-olds.

Also: 5 and a half minutes!?!?!? What on earth. "Everyone is angry we lost to Carlton again; blame is attributed variously to Blicavs, Atkins, De Koning, the forward line, the backline, the midfield, the Henrys, the umpires, Chris Scott, or occasionally the quality of football played by Adelaide. 2026 trading thread part 19 is still debating Butters. George Stevens is our best VFL player but too slow for Scott to pick him; this makes some people unhappy. Everyone agrees that a flag for Flagmantle would be inoffensive, the other contenders are all despicable, and that it's a good year for an uneven Geelong team to pinch a flag."
2 minutes is a stretch and it'll be the same summary every week except swap "angry we lost to X" for "happy we beat X" sometimes.
 

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jim boy, I love that you're exploring infusing AI into BF. I think the negative sentiment in some responses is unwarranted. It is the future and fast enmeshing into everyday life.

Rather than necessarily critiquing your current implementation, I'll lay out my vision/roadmap (scratching my itch, if you will).

My itches:
1) Whenever I come back to BF (sometimes after a lengthy gap), I find it time consuming and exhausting to catch up.
2) There are some themes that I'm interested in (e.g. The Rise of the Cillian) and some I'm not (e.g. how we won the 1963 GF).

From BF's perspective, you want (from your post)
1) More stickiness and more engagement.
2) Attract more users (even the time-poor ones).
3) More revenue-generating opportunities (sponsors, subscriptions etc.)

Your current implementation (let's call it v1) summarises in audio, but like Lana identifies, doesn't bring users back to the site.

My future vision is having a personal agent that summarises what I've missed since I last dipped into the content (i.e. either reading the forum and/or interacting with the agent).

v2 - One size fits all Daily Digest,
a) Triggered when a registered (later paying?) user clicks on a button at the Forum level.​
b) Delivered as a DM to their BF inbox. Gets auto-deleted when the next one lands?
c) Since you already summarise in themes (see your quote below), I want themes listed and I can drill down on interesting ones and Like/Respond to individual posts underlying it​
the podcast goes from a written summary of the day's activities, turned into a 'podcast script' and only then given a 'voice'

v3 - Custom Summary for me
a) Based on threads/posts that I haven't caught up on (i.e. read the original or agent's previous summary). It could be a pinned Thread like "What have I missed?"​
b) Presents themes and ability to drill down (as per above).​

v4 - Full-blown AI conversational Agent (voice or textual (safe for work))
a) Specifies themes since I last caught up. Can drill down based on sentiment too (constructive feedback from loss vs doom casting etc.). E.g. Will Jhye Clarke make AFL selection this week? Why?, Latest on Zak Butters joining the Cats, credible sources only etc.
b) Any further ideas?

In all of the above, we should skip the Game Day thread. It can stump any AI. The same person wishing death/destruction on the Clark/Stevens/Mullin household, will be singing their praises minutes later. I'm human with reasonable intellect and I can't summarise this Forum's complex feelings on OHenry!

It can be a white-label product for 2nd or 3rd tier forums. The big ones have their own AI R&D.

Any feedback? Anything other than "I ain’t reading all that. I’m happy for you though, or sorry that happened"

EDIT #1: Users need a have a seperate BF Rating based on positive engagement to their posts, their demeanour, resourcefulness etc. That will nudge towards good behaviour and useful content. We want less garbage feeding into the AI. Currently, can only assess user based on how long they've been registered and number of posts and number of reactions.

EDIT #2: As an aside, every place I worked, I add the suffix "_boy" to my mates' names.
 
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Who freaking cares if it's the "fast enmeshing into everyday life". That doesn't make it good or obligatory.
We took to Automatic cars, ABS & Keyless Entry. We cannot stop the ever accelerating March of Technology. My humble opinion.

Everyone needs a non-judgemental AI Executive Assistant / Chief of Staff.
 
We took to Automatic cars, ABS & Keyless Entry. We cannot stop the ever accelerating March of Technology. My humble opinion.

Everyone needs a non-judgemental AI Executive Assistant / Chief of Staff.

Not every step taken by humanity is progress.
 
We took to Automatic cars, ABS & Keyless Entry.

Those things aren't analogous to a technology as civilisationally transformative as AI.

We cannot stop the ever accelerating March of Technology.

Well obviously it can't be uninvented. Doesn't mean it should be embraced or adopted without regulation, or that we should uncritically assume that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. In this case, it's the opposite, the downsides outweighs any positives by a factor of 1000 to 1.
 
Awful, hate the idea and agree that it makes the place worse. I think the main real-world use will be reassuring people that nothing new has happened so they don't need to bother checking Bigfooty so it probably won't last too long.

Also FWIW I hate that slimy, familiar, over-eager tone it uses (the main commercial products all write in that same voice though so presumably some people like it). Like a TV show for 8-year-olds.

Also: 5 and a half minutes!?!?!? What on earth. "Everyone is angry we lost to Carlton again; blame is attributed variously to Blicavs, Atkins, De Koning, the forward line, the backline, the midfield, the Henrys, the umpires, Chris Scott, or occasionally the quality of football played by Adelaide. 2026 trading thread part 19 is still debating Butters. George Stevens is our best VFL player but too slow for Scott to pick him; this makes some people unhappy. Everyone agrees that a flag for Flagmantle would be inoffensive, the other contenders are all despicable, and that it's a good year for an uneven Geelong team to pinch a flag."
2 minutes is a stretch and it'll be the same summary every week except swap "angry we lost to X" for "happy we beat X" sometimes.
Despite your statement that you "hate the idea" - I do really appreciate the feedback - it will make a difference.
 
jim boy, I love that you're exploring infusing AI into BF. I think the negative sentiment in some responses is unwarranted. It is the future and fast enmeshing into everyday life.

Rather than necessarily critiquing your current implementation, I'll lay out my vision/roadmap (scratching my itch, if you will).

My itches:
1) Whenever I come back to BF (sometimes after a lengthy gap), I find it time consuming and exhausting to catch up.
2) There are some themes that I'm interested in (e.g. The Rise of the Cillian) and some I'm not (e.g. how we won the 1963 GF).

From BF's perspective, you want (from your post)
1) More stickiness and more engagement.
2) Attract more users (even the time-poor ones).
3) More revenue-generating opportunities (sponsors, subscriptions etc.)

Your current implementation (let's call it v1) summarises in audio, but like Lana identifies, doesn't bring users back to the site.

My future vision is having a personal agent that summarises what I've missed since I last dipped into the content (i.e. either reading the forum and/or interacting with the agent).

v2 - One size fits all Daily Digest,
a) Triggered when a registered (later paying?) user clicks on a button at the Forum level.​
b) Delivered as a DM to their BF inbox. Gets auto-deleted when the next one lands?
c) Since you already summarise in themes (see your quote below), I want themes listed and I can drill down on interesting ones and Like/Respond to individual posts underlying it​


v3 - Custom Summary for me
a) Based on threads/posts that I haven't caught up on (i.e. read the original or agent's previous summary). It could be a pinned Thread like "What have I missed?"​
b) Presents themes and ability to drill down (as per above).​

v4 - Full-blown AI conversational Agent (voice or textual (safe for work))
a) Specifies themes since I last caught up. Can drill down based on sentiment too (constructive feedback from loss vs doom casting etc.). E.g. Will Jhye Clarke make AFL selection this week? Why?, Latest on Zak Butters joining the Cats, credible sources only etc.
b) Any further ideas?

In all of the above, we should skip the Game Day thread. It can stump any AI. The same person wishing death/destruction on the Clark/Stevens/Mullin household, will be singing their praises minutes later. I'm human with reasonable intellect and I can't summarise this Forum's complex feelings on OHenry!

It can be a white-label product for 2nd or 3rd tier forums. The big ones have their own AI R&D.

Any feedback? Anything other than "I ain’t reading all that. I’m happy for you though, or sorry that happened"

EDIT #1: Users need a have a seperate BF Rating based on positive engagement to their posts, their demeanour, resourcefulness etc. That will nudge towards good behaviour and useful content. We want less garbage feeding into the AI. Currently, can only assess user based on how long they've been registered and number of posts and number of reactions.

EDIT #2: As an aside, every place I worked, I add the suffix "_boy" to my mates' names.
All good suggestions - at the moment, it would have to be 'premium' features - it is the only way the costs can be covered - BF is not a cash cow. I agree that AI can get stumped - I did some trail creation of content, but it just got so much wrong - and quite frankly, even if got it right - it is AI and just a bit boring. Does retrospection and summarisation so much better.

Not really interested in white-labelling this. I dont really have the time or patience for it.

Issue with conversational is that the way it is done now is that it would be damn slow. The content for the summarisation is drawn from the API interface. This has two big advantages - one is that the API user only has guest access - so it cant view anything it shouldn't and the second is that going by any other method would require complex permissions setup, database disentanglement and the risk that it breaks anytime the underlying software is updated. The API works in the same way as the board - I have to call up threads, then posts, 25 at a time, and workout when to start from - all quite slow. It could optionally use the underlying elasticsearch engine, but that would also pose its own problems.
 
We took to Automatic cars, ABS & Keyless Entry. We cannot stop the ever accelerating March of Technology. My humble opinion.
The difference between these features and AI is that the features were being used in a way that was demanded by customers and provided a significant benefit.

AI is being weaponised for some pretty unpleasant ends at the moment - specifically (a) the pumping out of misinformation in a torrent that nobody has worked out how to stop, (b) the marginalisation of websites due to zero-click searches, and (c) to fire people. Also it has a real dumbing-down effect.

Autos proved to be madly popular as soon as the technology became good enough to drive easily with five speeds. Keyless entry is a huge consumer boon that I appreciate enormously now we have a baby. ABS has very obvious benefits.
 

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Those things aren't analogous to a technology as civilisationally transformative as AI.



Well obviously it can't be uninvented. Doesn't mean it should be embraced or adopted without regulation, or that we should uncritically assume that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. In this case, it's the opposite, the downsides outweighs any positives by a factor of 1000 to 1.
"without regulation" and "uncritically assume that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages" is shifting the goalposts. No one is espousing blind adoption.

Not every step taken by humanity is progress.
AI is the biggest transformative technology ever. Bigger than what the internet and mobile wrought. There will be teething issues. The best technology is when it becomes invisible and an integral part of life (thus the mention of Keyless Entry etc.). AI is assessing scans, protein folding etc. better than humans.
 
AI is the biggest transformative technology ever. Bigger than what the internet and mobile wrought.
I'd wait to see about that; the internet has fundamentally changed the world in a way that is almost immeasurable, that's a high standard. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's a high bar.

Plus, if you go back further, writing, electricity and internal combustion have all done insane things too.
 
AI is assessing scans, protein folding etc. better than humans.
I think there is a terminology issue here - AI has been around for decades doing these things - its GenAI that is really the centre of debate.
 
The difference between these features and AI is that the features were being used in a way that was demanded by customers and provided a significant benefit.

AI is being weaponised for some pretty unpleasant ends at the moment - specifically (a) the pumping out of misinformation in a torrent that nobody has worked out how to stop, (b) the marginalisation of websites due to zero-click searches, and (c) to fire people. Also it has a real dumbing-down effect.

Autos proved to be madly popular as soon as the technology became good enough to drive easily with five speeds. Keyless entry is a huge consumer boon that I appreciate enormously now we have a baby. ABS has very obvious benefits.
Your everyday Consumer can't comprehend something that doesn't yet exist. I believe that Technology is a force for good. Now that doesn't mean Regulators let a bunch of Silicon Valley bros run everything. There needs to be oversight.

There will be job losses (for instance with driverless trucks). Again, there needs to be oversight over the direction and rate of change. Word Processors made Typists extinct but made us all more productive.

Since you mentioned Keyless Entry and Baby in the same sentence, the most intuitive interface is the mother's b**ast to a baby. Keyless Entry (Mercedes Benz invention?) doesn't do too bad.
 

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I'd wait to see about that; the internet has fundamentally changed the world in a way that is almost immeasurable, that's a high standard. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's a high bar.

Plus, if you go back further, writing, electricity and internal combustion have all done insane things too.
You're forgetting the mother lode.. The invention of the wheel.

AI would invent things faster.
 
AI is being weaponised for some pretty unpleasant ends at the moment - specifically (a) the pumping out of misinformation in a torrent that nobody has worked out how to stop,
That's social media - and has been an issue for far longer than GenAI has been around.
(b) the marginalisation of websites due to zero-click searches, and
Is that really an issue? Sure - there are some people who are clever who make money through the Internet, but they will be clever elsewhere as well. There used to be not an Internet and those people coped pretty well then.
(c) to fire people.
Technology brings change and that will close a few doors. Other doors will open. This has been oft-repeated throughout history
 
"without regulation" and "uncritically assume that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages" is shifting the goalposts. No one is espousing blind adoption.


AI is the biggest transformative technology ever. Bigger than what the internet and mobile wrought. There will be teething issues. The best technology is when it becomes invisible and an integral part of life (thus the mention of Keyless Entry etc.). AI is assessing scans, protein folding etc. better than humans.

AI certainly has its uses, but it will also replace our humanity if left unchecked.

That's why Musk amongst others has been calling for strict boundaries on when, how, and where it is used.
 
Technology brings change and that will close a few doors. Other doors will open. This has been oft-repeated throughout history
I think we are starting to see it more generally becoming a massive societal problem in the West (not just AI, but just technology replacing jobs in general).

The demise of well-paid blue collar jobs has had a lot to do with the rise of Trump, Reform, One Nation, etc etc. It's been unpleasant.
 

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