Pointless Exercise #1 for the Drew bashers

[Melly017]

Stats aren't everything but............

15 stats in 81mins(better than 12 other roos)
8 Marks (eq 2nd for roos)
5 Clearences (2nd for roos)
17 hitouts(day high ground)
8 tackles(team high)
2 clangers(team had 38)

Only from the H-Sun.

If Hale has those numbers his BOG
If Hamish got those numbers he would be fav for the syd and brownlow

 

[RoccaRoo]

Stats aren't everything but............

15 stats in 81mins(better than 12 other roos)
8 Marks (eq 2nd for roos)
5 Clearences (2nd for roos)
17 hitouts(day high ground)
8 tackles(team high)
2 clangers(team had 38)

Only from the H-Sun.

If Hale has those numbers his BOG
If Hamish got those numbers he would be fav for the syd and brownlow

While this may look good for Drew, one stat not shown here is how many times does he turn the ball over for each of the stats listed above?

 

[CR7]

Stats aren't everything but............

15 stats in 81mins(better than 12 other roos)
8 Marks (eq 2nd for roos)
5 Clearences (2nd for roos)
17 hitouts(day high ground)
8 tackles(team high)
2 clangers(team had 38)

Only from the H-Sun.

If Hale has those numbers his BOG
If Hamish got those numbers he would be fav for the syd and brownlow

I would be more interested to know how many of those marks result in an ineffective disposal, hitouts that go straight to an opposition, and so on.

 

[Melly017]

While this may look good for Drew, one stat not shown here is how many times does he turn the ball over for each of the stats listed above?

Clangers 2..................H-Sun they only quote facts

 

[Harris 10]

You can put every stat you want but all I have to do is watch him to realise that he can't play.

Why he is in the side North will continue to go backwards or stagnate.

 

[RoyalBlue]

I love this. I love it.

As the person, a very loud and surprisingly not drunk person next to me said on Saturday:

"How long will it take them to roll out the stats and say that Petrie didn't play that badly?"

 

[RoyalBlue]

Stats aren't everything but............

15 stats in 81mins(better than 12 other roos)
8 Marks (eq 2nd for roos)
5 Clearences (2nd for roos)
17 hitouts(day high ground)
8 tackles(team high)
2 clangers(team had 38)

Only from the H-Sun.

If Hale has those numbers his BOG
If Hamish got those numbers he would be fav for the syd and brownlow

For starters, neither of these guys has had 90 odd senior games put into his development.

Secondly, Hamish has played, what 10 games?

Thirdly, Hale is a quality prospect that by the time he has played the 95 games Drew has, will have probably stamped himself as one of the more versatile, hard working and valable ruckmen in the game.

At 95 games.... Hamish would be hard pressed to be anywhere near as sht as Petrie is. Hamish would need to go backwards at the speed of light to be that bad after 95 games of senior footy.

Quote any stat you like, I couldn't care if he gets 3 Brownlow votes, any player who is popping off torps on the last line of defence across goal is a joke.

 

[Zondor]

Stats aren't everything but............

15 stats in 81mins(better than 12 other roos)
8 Marks (eq 2nd for roos)
5 Clearences (2nd for roos)
17 hitouts(day high ground)
8 tackles(team high)
2 clangers(team had 38)

Only from the H-Sun.

If Hale has those numbers his BOG
If Hamish got those numbers he would be fav for the syd and brownlow

Yep, guys compare Petrie's stats to Hale for the match. Compare them to Chad Jones.

Hey I'm the first to admit that Petrie isn't the perfect footballer. We all know that he busts a gut but struggles to dominate matches. His kicking lets him down and sometimes so does his decision making. But when has Hale dominated a match? Last week you could say, last year against Essendon is another, lets just say he has played 2 or 3 very decent games but be realistic. Hale has rarely dominated a match. His in the same boat as Petrie. An underachiever. Stuff age. It's time that Hale start playing some decent consistant football.

Just compare Hale to Petrie this season.
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=110&pid1=2002081&tid2=110&pid2=200167

Time to see it as it is. Not only is Petrie stuggling but Hale is struggling and so are a lot of other players at our football club at the minute.

Moral of the story. Don't just be down on Petrie. There are others to blame as well.

 

[giantroo]

While this may look good for Drew, one stat not shown here is how many times does he turn the ball over for each of the stats listed above?

Its known as a clanger my friend!!!

 

[Harris 10]

Its known as a clanger my friend!!!

dumb decisions and running to stupid spots are not counted as clangers so Petrie get off on these ones

 

[Melly017]

I love this. I love it.

As the person, a very loud and surprisingly not drunk person next to me said on Saturday:

"How long will it take them to roll out the stats and say that Petrie didn't play that badly?"

I know every side has some players that aren't superstars and sholdn't be expected to perform at JUDD/Brown/Carey/Dench/Dempsey level week in week out.

Even our great flag winning teams had blokes that were just footballers at that time in their life.
He is better at it than Hamish/Moran and most weeks Hale. Hamish hasn't been fit for two years and doesn't have the work rate required to play AFL level, rather than bagging Drew all the time, lets bag Hamish for not being able to perform at the VFL level week in week out, therefore putting Drew out of the side.

 

[RoccaRoo]

Clangers 2..................H-Sun they only quote facts

Ok, I see your point.
However it may only show 2 clangers, its a fact and I accept that, but this doesn't change the fact that the guy is a crap footballer.

There are more indirect turnovers due to the skill level of Petrie's execution:

1. Misses or doesn't make the distance during shots at goal.
2. Does not hit targets most of time while they may get first touch at the ball before it hits the deck and the opposition mop up.
3. When he marks the ball his indecisiveness as to where to go has to be the worst in the team usually resulting in a turnover due to being called by the umps to play on.

These scenarios are not shown as clangers as Drew is not the last to touch the ball before a turnover on most occasions. The pressure that he puts on his team mates due to his poor execution is inexusable and unnecessary at AFL level.

 

[Zondor]

There are more indirect turnovers due to the skill level of Petrie's execution:

1. Misses or doesn't make the distance during shots at goal.
2. Does not hit targets most of time while they may get first touch at the ball before it hits the deck and the opposition mop up.
3. When he marks the ball his indecisiveness as to where to go has to be the worst in the team usually resulting in a turnover due to being called by the umps to play on.

Gee when I read the first 2 points I thought you were talking about Simpson.

 

[RoccaRoo]

Gee when I read the first 2 points I thought you were talking about Simpson.

Well yes.
I don't think he is up to AFL captain material to be honest.
His skills are not much better.

 

[RoyalBlue]

I know every side has some players that aren't superstars and sholdn't be expected to perform at JUDD/Brown/Carey/Dench/Dempsey level week in week out.

Even our great flag winning teams had blokes that were just footballers at that time in their life.
He is better at it than Hamish/Moran and most weeks Hale. Hamish hasn't been fit for two years and doesn't have the work rate required to play AFL level, rather than bagging Drew all the time, lets bag Hamish for not being able to perform at the VFL level week in week out, therefore putting Drew out of the side.

Pffttt....

Hale aside, Hamish was great against St Kilda, and good against Hawthorn too.

The bottom line is this:

Drew Petrie should not be in our team as a ruckman with any permanence. Hamish should have games put into this year, to make him a better player next year, and the year after that, and the year after that.

Hamish has played 9 games, Drew has played 94 games.

I doubt that anyone expects Hamish to be a better player - even considering the rediculous amount of time he is on the bench for - than Petrie just yet.

Even the most cocksure Petrie fans on here concede that we're wasting our time with Petrie in the ruck. Petrie should never play in front of Hamish, good stats, bad stats, sht stats, no stats.

Moronic torp, or no moronic torp.

We can't expect better performances from our younger players by playing them in the reserves constantly, they need game time in the ones to get better.

Look at Pratt, look at Hale, look at Harris. You don't get any better by avoiding a run in the ones, we don't have ready made players spilling out of our reserves.

 

[Roo-Boy]

Yep, guys compare Petrie's stats to Hale for the match. Compare them to Chad Jones.

Hey I'm the first to admit that Petrie isn't the perfect footballer. We all know that he busts a gut but struggles to dominate matches. His kicking lets him down and sometimes so does his decision making. But when has Hale dominated a match? Last week you could say, last year against Essendon is another, lets just say he has played 2 or 3 very decent games but be realistic. Hale has rarely dominated a match. His in the same boat as Petrie. An underachiever. Stuff age. It's time that Hale start playing some decent consistant football.

Just compare Hale to Petrie this season.
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/compare_players?tid1=110&pid1=2002081&tid2=110&pid2=200167

Time to see it as it is. Not only is Petrie stuggling but Hale is struggling and so are a lot of other players at our football club at the minute.

Moral of the story. Don't just be down on Petrie. There are others to blame as well.

Yes there is others to blame as well but it's too early to blame Hale.But Petrie has been is the side now long enough and still kicks out of defence torps straight into the opposition and he is part of the leadership group and is looked up as a role model from the younger players? I'm amazed he's still in the side.Petrie should be dropped and not play again this year and get traded or get delisted together with Harding

 

[RoccaRoo]

For starters, neither of these guys has had 90 odd senior games put into his development.

Secondly, Hamish has played, what 10 games?

Thirdly, Hale is a quality prospect that by the time he has played the 95 games Drew has, will have probably stamped himself as one of the more versatile, hard working and valable ruckmen in the game.

At 95 games.... Hamish would be hard pressed to be anywhere near as sht as Petrie is. Hamish would need to go backwards at the speed of light to be that bad after 95 games of senior footy.

Quote any stat you like, I couldn't care if he gets 3 Brownlow votes, any player who is popping off torps on the last line of defence across goal is a joke.

I have to Agree with RB about Hale and McIntosh. You can see a bit of spark in these kids when they play.

Watching Petrie is like watching a 2nd rate footballer not knowing what to do, no matter what the stats say.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Stats mean absolutely bugger all.

Go and watch the game on Saturday, and tell me how many of his 15 possessions were meaningful, how many of his eight marks were actually taken in a dangerous position and set up a play and how many of his hit-outs resulted in centre clearances for us.

He had a shocking game and stats mean nothing if they aren't positive stats. His torp on the goal line still goes down as a kick, the grab he took before kicking it still goes down as a mark, the amount of time he picked out a Richmond player with his taps still go down as hit outs, and he got a lot of possessions in the last term when the game was pretty much over.

 

[Melly017]

well named thread

pick's himself each week!!!!like they all do
goes out each week to make mistakes to pi$$ you all off, doing his job well

lets throw out the baby with the bath water.........we will be a better side next week when he drops

insert name here "....................."

 

[RoyalBlue]

we will be a better side next week when he drops

insert name here "..Drew Petrie.."

 

[Z_K]

I have defended him a few times this year, mostly from direct, rather pointless abuse when others deserve more, but he was ordinary on Satdy.

No-one can deny his limitations, and if he isn't given some VFL to get us a look at other options for the rest of 2006, I will be pretty disapointed.

 

[Andyroo]

dumb decisions and running to stupid spots are not counted as clangers so Petrie get off on these ones

Selling a team-mate into danger too.

 

[Loedi39]

So if you dont want Petrie in the team, Who would you rather have as our second ruckman ?
Mcintosh ? I love this bloke, Reckon will be a good footy player but lets face it week before last he had a shocker, hardly touched it. I know people will say he's better for the run but our number 1 goal is to win footy games, not develop Mcintosh. And ATM Petrie is a better Ruck/Forward than Hamish, Simple.
So who else is there ?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Mcintosh ? I love this bloke, Reckon will be a good footy player but lets face it week before last he had a shocker, hardly touched it.

You mean when he sat on the bench for the whole second half because Petrie didn't touch it at all in the first half at CHF, and got moved into the ruck at Hamish's expense?

At 2-9, getting games into Hamish is going to benefit the club much more than getting games into Petrie. One has played 10, the other 90. It's that simple.

our number 1 goal is to win footy games, not develop Mcintosh

Did you manage to keep a straight face while typing this? We're 2-9, and both wins were with Hamish taking on a fair workload and being our best ruck on the day.

 

[scooby1279]

So if you dont want Petrie in the team, Who would you rather have as our second ruckman ?
Mcintosh ? I love this bloke, Reckon will be a good footy player but lets face it week before last he had a shocker, hardly touched it. I know people will say he's better for the run but our number 1 goal is to win footy games, not develop Mcintosh. And ATM Petrie is a better Ruck/Forward than Hamish, Simple.
So who else is there ?

Our number one goal is to win games? It is about develping McIntosh because its all about next year now, not this year. And who says that because you play the kids you cant win a game of footy? Did you watch Carlton yesterday? They had more younger players in there team then last week and got pumped by port (with the same old players who have been there for 4-5 years).