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Ford Fairlane said:
Surely North will appoint Ross Lyon.
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Ross is making more money and experiencing less stress away from coaching.

Will do a Blight and Matthews spend 2 or 3 years in the media then go find a good list that has under performed and will rise quickly. That ain't North.
 
About 15 minutes ago heard Kornes interview Ken about why he didn't tag Martin. Ken went on about modern team defence but wasn't that convincing. Said biggest issue is cross over issue from midfield to a defender looking after Dusty. Admitted we got caught out in 2nd quarter with DBJ match up and Dusty marked and goaled and McKenzie didn't put enough physical pressure on Martin in 1st quarter when he roved off a pack and snapped his first goal.

I would put Blicavs on Dusty for 100% of the game. Blicavs has played in the middle before has become a great defender as well. He has a huge tank has a great burst of speed and is taller and stronger than Dusty. You don't have cross over issue if Blicavs sits on him all day.

The bloke is a good a finals player as anyone in the last 35 years.

Bugger team defence, make it 1 v 1 + 19 v 19.
 
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RussellEbertHandball said:
Ross is making more money and experiencing less stress away from coaching.

Will do a Blight and Matthews spend 2 or 3 years in the media then go find a good list that has under performed and will rise quickly. That ain't North.
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Is he doing that much media? Sunday Rub and a part time job on Footy Classified that is done for this year. As a coach he could easily get $800K+ a year.

Some guys just want to coach. And Ross loves to be the saviour.

Wouldn't discount his interest out of hand. And he makes more sense for North than Voss.
 

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Ford Fairlane said:
Is he doing that much media? Sunday Rub and a part time job on Footy Classified that is done for this year. As a coach he could easily get $800K+ a year.

Some guys just want to coach. And Ross loves to be the saviour.

Wouldn't discount his interest out of hand. And he makes more sense for North than Voss.
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Go and rewatch the final Footy Classified. He makes it clear he's not interested

There are a lot of coaches coming out of contract at end of 2021. There will be a lot better options in 10 months time - provided we return to a normal pre covid world. That is another reason to sit tight. Wait until things are back to normal.
 
Anyone listening to Lachie Neale on SEN?

Seems filthy as a port supporter growing up our recruiters didn’t even talk to him at all when he really wanted to be drafted by us.

Uses it as motivation every time he plays us.
 
I know what he sa
RussellEbertHandball said:
Go and rewatch the final Footy Classified. He makes it clear he's not interested

There are a lot of coaches coming out of contract at end of 2021. There will be a lot better options in 10 months time - provided we return to a normal pre covid world. That is another reason to sit tight. Wait until things are back to normal.
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I know what he said. He may even have meant it. But If North headhunt him and make it worth his while, the passion and commitment will reappear.
 
Young Gun #6 said:
Anyone listening to Lachie Neale on SEN?

Seems filthy as a port supporter growing up our recruiters didn’t even talk to him at all when he really wanted to be drafted by us.

Uses it as motivation every time he plays us.
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Ah yes - the old Aaron Rogers v 49ers ploy, which has resulted in him having three embarrassing playoff losses to the team he's always extra motivated to play against.
 
Grave Danger said:
Even the Crows lawyer is a nude nut...

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Stengle got the triple of dui, unlicensed and unregistered. That’s not one bad decision, that’s a litany of bad choices made over a period of time

The fact he then got caught with drugs months later before he even got to court shows that he didn’t learn from his mistake. If he’s unlicensed it’s safe to say he’s already been in trouble and lost his license for previous offenses.

He’s extremely lucky he’s a footballer. As an indigenous lad with that record he’s going to jail and things would get worse for him from there.

He’s probably one more incident away from the afl forcing him out of the league.. very silly.
 
Young Gun #6 said:
Anyone listening to Lachie Neale on SEN?

Seems filthy as a port supporter growing up our recruiters didn’t even talk to him at all when he really wanted to be drafted by us.

Uses it as motivation every time he plays us.
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So it wasn't the cheeky tap on the bum he got from a first year SPP?
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
About 15 minutes ago heard Kornes interview Ken about why he didn't tag Martin. Ken went on about modern team defence but wasn't that convincing. Said biggest issue is cross over issue. Admitted got caught out in 2nd quarter with DBJ match up and Dusty marked and goaled and McKenzie didn't put enough physical pressure on Martin in 1st quarter when he roved off a pack and snapped his first goal.

I would put Blicavs on Dusty for 100% of the game. Bllicavs has played in the middle before has become a great defender as well. He has a huge tank has a great burst of speed and is taller and stronger than Dusty. You don't have cross over issue if Blicavs sits on him all day.

The bloke is a good a finals player as anyone in the last 35 years.

Bugger team defence, make it 1 v 1 + 19 v 19.
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He was unconvincing because we don’t have anyone. I struggle to think of anyone doing the job on Martin in any important game in recent years. I do like the idea of Blicavs on him, though it may rob them of the role he usually plays.
 
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Young Gun #6 said:
Anyone listening to Lachie Neale on SEN?

Seems filthy as a port supporter growing up our recruiters didn’t even talk to him at all when he really wanted to be drafted by us.

Uses it as motivation every time he plays us.
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It’s crap that our recruiters didn’t talk to him but that was around 2010-2012 period that our recruiters should have been working on him

I’m not exact on the timelines but around then wasn’t our club gutted of resources due to suffering under the sanfl / sma / afls moronic conditions on our club that had us bleeding?

I’m guessing we barely had a recruiting dept at the time.
 
So Martin goes deep, you want to put someone on him that can play him there and he pushes up and loses them in traffic through constant motion

You put a tagger on him in the midfield and he goes deep and they’re not a great match up there (martins constant motion is the most underrated part of his game and the thing I’m showing new draftees!!!)

I think the key trait I’m looking for a player to take Martin is concentration and discipline.

Kane Cornes, while not the best defender when taken deep would have been the guy I would liked to have seen play on Martin in his peak. His discipline and workrate would be the best weapons against Martin.
 
philthy05 said:
It’s crap that our recruiters didn’t talk to him but that was around 2010-2012 period that our recruiters should have been working on him

I’m not exact on the timelines but around then wasn’t our club gutted of resources due to suffering under the sanfl / sma / afls moronic conditions on our club that had us bleeding?

I’m guessing we barely had a recruiting dept at the time.
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Not true to the bold bit. We had a recruiting department. We have had guys on small retainers and those on larger ones as well as full time staff. We had a team of the same 2 or 3 guys in WA for 20 years. Neale was from SA, playing for Glenelg not up in Cairns or Darwin. We would have had enough people to closely watch his progress.

Neale was drafted in the 2011 draft. That means he should have been on the radar in 2009 (or earlier) which was Blair Hartley's last draft as head recruiting guy, and after that draft he passed over the reigns to Geoff Parker who had been part of the recruiting team for several years.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
Not true to the bold bit. We had a recruiting department. We have had guys on small retainers and those on larger ones as well as full time staff. We had a team of the same 2 or 3 guys in WA for 20 years. Neale was from SA, playing for Glenelg not up in Cairns or Darwin. We would have had enough people to closely watch his progress.

Neale was drafted in the 2011 draft. That means he should have been on the radar in 2009 (or earlier) which was Blair Hartley's last draft as head recruiting guy, and after that draft he passed over the reigns to Geoff Parker who had been part of the recruiting team for several years.
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A quick google search tells me Dean Laidley was at port 2010-11, which was when we had him coaching via Skype

we had a skeleton crew at port at the time and if we did at the top then it’s incredibly likely, I’ll say almost for certain that a non-visible area like recruiting would have been very thin during this patch.

yeah it’s a miss by our recruiters but I’m certain they were operating under far different conditions to today.
 
Ford Fairlane said:
I know what he said. He may even have meant it. But If North headhunt him and make it worth his while, the passion and commitment will reappear.
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Lachie Neale was asked about the difference between Lyon and Fagan. He said Lyon was very strategic and very tactical.

Lyon would look at the landscape of the AFL and AFL coaching caper and he would see;

* There is a lot of uncertainty, no one knows for sure what 2021 looks like.
* The soft cap figure hasn't been settled, clubs have sacked assistant coaches asking people to take pay cuts
* There isn't a new CBA and player salary cap sorted yet.
* 2021 several coaches contract will come to an end
* North are on life support and look rudderless
* Life is less stressful at the moment, he's enjoying recharging the batteries,
* Getting paid well to do 2 shows a week on 9 and on MMM on the weekend, monies not really an issue like 2011
* Saw the Malcolm Blight $1m cheque came back for the $$$ more than passion to coach

He went from a small financially struggling Vic club, to a financially stable and reasonably strong in WA that maybe the smaller of the 2 WA teams, but a lot better off across the board than St Kilda. He has regularly this year, talked about the strong people who supported him at Freo. Are those people there at North?

His next club will be a stable Vic club not one that is wallowing in mud. North would need a shit load of backing from the AFL to even get close to offering him what he wants re $$$ and a team around him. Are the AFL prepared to back North that much, given the great uncertainty of when Covid impact will end?? Can't see the AFL at this point in time giving Lyon/North a golden parachute like they gave Roos/Melbourne 6-7 years ago.
 

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philthy05 said:
It’s crap that our recruiters didn’t talk to him but that was around 2010-2012 period that our recruiters should have been working on him

I’m not exact on the timelines but around then wasn’t our club gutted of resources due to suffering under the sanfl / sma / afls moronic conditions on our club that had us bleeding?

I’m guessing we barely had a recruiting dept at the time.
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yeah he said he doesn’t hold it against us as it’s not likely that the recruiting team is there at all these days but just very sad he didn’t get to play for us. Then when we didn’t talk to him at all lost any desire to play for us going forward.
 
philthy05 said:
A quick google search tells me Dean Laidley was at port 2010-11, which was when we had him coaching via Skype

we had a skeleton crew at port at the time and if we did at the top then it’s incredibly likely, I’ll say almost for certain that a non-visible area like recruiting would have been very thin during this patch.

yeah it’s a miss by our recruiters but I’m certain they were operating under far different conditions to today.
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Laidely did his skyping in 2011, not 2010.

You can't just assume recruiting was slashed, when a lot of it is and was done by part timers at low cost. And Neale was playing for Glenelg not Cairns. How much did it cost and how hard was it to send people to watch Glenelg play?

You are looking for excuses. It was a stuff up, with the benefit of hindsight.

But Neale admits himself he wasn't the hardest worker back when he was 17 or 18. It took a threat from Ross Lyon to send him back to Glenelg to change his attitude to his footy career. C'est la vie.
 
Schulzenfest said:
Oh well, at least we got Nathan Blee instead.
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Would be 'hilarious' if Blee had been Freo's target with pick 58, seeing as we'd already nabbed Brendon Ah Chee as well.
 
Young Gun #6 said:
Anyone listening to Lachie Neale on SEN?

Seems filthy as a port supporter growing up our recruiters didn’t even talk to him at all when he really wanted to be drafted by us.

Uses it as motivation every time he plays us.
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surely as a saints boy he was smart enough to know that in 2011 this was the last place he should've gone
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
.... and McKenzie didn't put enough physical pressure on Martin in 1st quarter when he roved off a pack and snapped his first goal.
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Watched the replay the other day and this was so obvious. McKenzie just trundled behind him, let him have 5m on him and then bang goal. Not surprised the coaches weren't happy with it.
 
RussellEbertHandball said:
You can't just assume recruiting was slashed, when a lot of it is and was done by part timers at low cost. And Neale was playing for Glenelg not Cairns. How much did it cost and how hard was it to send people to watch Glenelg play?

You are looking for excuses. It was a stuff up, with the benefit of hindsight.

But Neale admits himself he wasn't the hardest worker back when he was 17 or 18. It took a threat from Ross Lyon to send him back to Glenelg to change his attitude to his footy career. C'est la vie.
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I can assume recruiting was slashed

it’s called deductive reasoning

there’s been a tonne of credible information released that port was running an incredibly lean football department during that patch.

it’s entirely reasonable to assume that the recruiting department was also running a skeleton crew. There’s no evidence to assume that recruiting was immune to cuts, regardless of them being part-timers. Hell in business they’re often the first to go, regardless of the fact that they’re not huge cost cutting avenues.

hell in Covid weren’t some of the first people to get let go these part-time recruiters?

In the discussion of Neale someone posted a quote from someone at port (I forget who) saying that they watched Neale twice. Unless I misread that part but it sounded very much like they saw him twice.

As I said earlier, our recruiters made a mistake on Neale but our recruiting dept must have been operating under very different conditions then.
 
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