Mega Thread Port Forum General AFL Thread Part 30

[b0ydman Jr]

I’m struggling to think of any that aren’t rubbish these days.

Hudson, Dunstall, Whateley & BT (Radio versions)

 

[Janey]

Hudson, Dunstall, Whateley & BT (Radio versions)

The first three, yes, BT not so much

 

[davesnothere]

Kingsley at ht must of asked himself what would be the opposite of a ken hinkley talk be

“ What would Ken Hinkley do?”

Ok not that.

 

[chiwigi]

Kunty footballers are the best. Back in the 80s and 90s we had plenty. Even in the 2000s. Josh Carr was a Kunty footballer.

Toby Greene type though, not current Hawthorn ‘Wiz’ type.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Brisbane at the GABBA and Geelong at home will be tough for them to win.

GWS in Sydney too apparently

 

[davesnothere]

You are 5 goals down and you call the oppositions best player a fatty who’s not going to run the game out.

Love Toby Greene

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. 5 goals down he’s not beaten …..they are .

 

[VineValerian]

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Aahh.
The old inverse parabolic scoring worm.

 

[Waspy79]

You know what they need? An Academy with unrestricted access. That would help them along.

Ford what Academy players on the GWS list bother you?

Also what father son products have assisted them win zero premierships?

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Ford what Academy players on the GWS list bother you?

Also what father son products have assisted them win zero premierships?

The concept bothers me across the four northern states. We scratch and claw for any assistance and the players are just handed to those clubs.

I could ask you the same question about Port Adelaide over the past 20 years.

 

[Waspy79]

Callaghan’s quarter was phenomenal. He is an unbelievable player.

People gripe about Collingwood landing N Daicos as a cheap F/S but they gave up the draft pick GWS used to land Callaghan to acquire the draft capital to land him.

 

[Waspy79]

The concept bothers me across the four northern states. We scratch and claw for any assistance and the players are just handed to those clubs.

I could ask you the same question about Port Adelaide.

Won’t Port land Cochrane through an academy? Burgoyne and Mead are F/S. Salopek, Rodan, Francou, Burgoyne in the pipeline. GWS has no ability to attract players like JHF and NWM. It has to pick over the outcasts of the league like Hogan and Stringer. I could understand resenting Sydney and Brisbane having leg-ups given they are well established and long time successful clubs but not the Giants who have done very well in drafting recruiting and retaining talent, and that should not be held against them.

 

[Buget]

Ford what Academy players on the GWS list bother you?

Also what father son products have assisted them win zero premierships?

Himmelberg, Briggs, Tom Green….

I would be more annoyed with Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Wicks, Goulden and Campbell.

 

[SureBuddy]

I think the biggest rort of the academies is Gold Coast and Sydney. Gold Goast due to the sheer number they constantly pull in and no longer need the leg up and Sydney due to being a traditional club that absolutely does not need the leg up.

You can argue every team has academies, but a standard team might get one good player every few years. Northern clubs gets multiple first rounders ever year!

 

[b0ydman Jr]

The first three, yes, BT not so much

I like him on radio, he's much better than on tv

 

[Waspy79]

Himmelberg, Briggs, Tom Green….

I would be more annoyed with Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Wicks, Goulden and Campbell.

I’m sure how you can see how it would be a bit of a travesty for Canberra-born Tom Green to not get the opportunity to be a pioneer at the Giants. It’s also where he wants to play his footy. There is a stand named (informally) after him at Manuka Oval.

I agree the Swans academy is problematic and I also believe there are more registered Australian rules footballers in QLD than SA so the pool of players that the Suns and Lions can draw on is actually larger than for the SA clubs.

I like the concept of Academies but I believe all clubs should have access to them in as fair distribution as possible.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Won’t Port land Cochrane through an academy? Burgoyne and Mead are F/S. Salopek, Rodan, Francou, Burgoyne in the pipeline. GWS has no ability to attract players like JHF and NWM. It has to pick over the outcasts of the league like Hogan and Stringer. I could understand resenting Sydney and Brisbane having leg-ups given they are well established and long time successful clubs but not the Giants who have done very well in drafting recruiting and retaining talent, and that should not be held against them.

How many premierships have Mead and Burgoyne won Port? Will Mead even be on a list next year? Who are our Acdemy players? Lachie Jones who half the posters here would delist tomorrow if they could and Benny Barrett who sneaks onto a Cat B rookie spot in the sanfl.

Would you trade Tom Green for those players?

Cochrane, Salopek and Rodan, sure would be great to get them, but you know the saying about counting chickens, right? And who do GWS have in the pipeline? As a proud GWS supporter you should know the potential players coming through.

GWS haven't benefited specifically well from their Academy but as I said it is the concept I don't like and who knows when a clutch of players might fall to them. Either give all clubs the same rules or get rid of all Academies and stop corrupting the draft. But then the AFL would find another way to favour its golden clubs.

 

[Waspy79]

How many premierships have Mead and Burgoyne won Port? Will Mead even be on a list next year?

Would you trade Tom Green for those two?

Cochrane, Salopek and Rodan, sure would be great to get them, but you know the saying about counting chickens, right? And who do GWS have in the pipeline? As a proud GWS supporter you should know the potential players coming through.

GWS haven't benefited specifically well from their Academy but as I said it is the concept I don't like and who knows when a clutch of players might fall to them. Either give all clubs the same rules or get rid of all Academies and stop corrupting the draft. But then the AFL would find another way to favour its golden clubs.

There are bigger issues to get your knickers in a knot about.

The biggest being the grand final being played on the home ground of four Victorian clubs.

The second being biased umpiring and fixturing that favours Victorian clubs.

Academies for expansion clubs that are too young to have any F/S prospects is a non issue but I don’t disagree that ideally all clubs have equal access to Academy talent.

 

[DaTBird187]

To y Greene type though, not current Hawthorn ‘Wiz’ type.

Wiz is a w***er, not a campaigner

 

[TazD]

Wow, just saw that the Q Clash is about to start. Scheduling is beyond cooked.

 

[Peninsula Boy]

The toughest for mine is Brisbane.

They get their top picks, they get Father/Sons like the Levi and Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

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, Jaspa Fletcher from the Threepeat Dynasty, they get Academy players like Jack Payne, Harris Andrews

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151.7

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17.0

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9.0

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8.0

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4.0

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2.0

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5.0

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4.8

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3.4

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1.6

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94.0

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, Eric Hipwood

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Eric Hipwood

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10.0

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2.6

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3.9

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1.3

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1.5

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11.1

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8.4

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2.7

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4.1

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10.6

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, Keidean Coleman, Sam Marshall and then they are also awesome at luring free agents like Joe Daniher, Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

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1.9

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5.4

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1.4

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, Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

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21.8

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4.3

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3.2

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20.7

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7.0

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13.7

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2.3

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5.3

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2.7

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14.2

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7.2

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1.4

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and Lachie Jones.

A lot of talent falls to them, some through their good work and some through the system which works for them.

 

[Buget]

I’m sure how you can see how it would be a bit of a travesty for Canberra-born Tom Green to not get the opportunity to be a pioneer at the Giants. It’s also where he wants to play his footy. There is a stand named (informally) after him at Manuka Oval.

I agree the Swans academy is problematic and I also believe there are more registered Australian rules footballers in QLD than SA so the pool of players that the Suns and Lions can draw on is actually larger than for the SA clubs.

I like the concept of Academies but I believe all clubs should have access to them in as fair distribution as possible.

I don’t disagree with academies. And in general, old-school Port supporters should thank Port’s success in the SANFL from the development of talent from its old recruitment zone.

The issues with academies is that the rules are different for different clubs. Everyone should have one or no one.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

There are bigger issues to get your knickers in a knot about.

The biggest being the grand final being played on the home ground of four Victorian clubs.

The second being biased umpiring and fixturing that favours Victorian clubs.

Academies for expansion clubs that are too young to have any F/S prospects is a non issue but I don’t disagree that ideally all clubs have equal access to Academy talent.

My knickers are hardly in a knot, I'm just pointing out an major inequality in a draft system that is meant to equalise.

Let's be serious, you ditched the club you claim to barrack for because they hurt your feelings somehow to bandwagon on a club that is going well. It's a bit hard to take your concern for GWS all that seriously. In a month you might be back barracking for Port or maybe have moved on to the Lions. Who knows?

Biased umpiring? When we played GWS, the free kick count favoured GWS 29-16 in a game we won by 20 points. Seems to me Port get it in the butt whoever we play. It's easy to say it favours Victorian clubs but do you have the stats to support that claim? The Suns and Lions are doing well this year, Port are getting slaughtered.

Yes the fixturing is a farce that favours Victorian clubs, but we weren't talking about Victorian clubs or umpiring or fixturing. You were the one who got their knickers in a knot about a throwaway line concerning Academies connected to a club you don't even really support. Or maybe you do? Nobody knows for sure. That was the topic of discussion and now you've deflected away to broader issues.

As far as father-son goes, when Port (and the crows for that matter) came into the comp they gained no benefit from father-son at all and had no Academies. Port had one father-son from the sanfl rules and that was due to an aadministrative oversight. The crows were gifted one in Michalanney that is highly dubious as a square up.

 

[Waspy79]

My knickers are hardly in a knot, I'm just pointing out an major inequality in a draft system that is meant to equalise.

Let's be serious, you ditched the club you claim to barrack for because they hurt your feelings somehow to bandwagon on a club that is going well. It's a bit hard to take your concern for GWS all that seriously. In a month you might be back barracking for Port or maybe have moved on to the Lions. Who knows?

Biased umpiring? When we played GWS, the free kick count favoured GWS 29-16 in a game we won by 20 points. Seems to me Port get it in the butt whoever we play. It's easy to say it favours Victorian clubs but do you have the stats to support that claim? The Suns and Lions are doing well this year, Port are getting slaughtered.

Yes the fixturing is a farce that favours Victorian clubs, but we weren't talking about Victorian clubs or umpiring or fixturing. You were the one who got their knickers in a knot about a throwaway line concerning Academies connected to a club you don't even really support. Or maybe you do? Nobody knows for sure. That was the topic of discussion and now you've deflected away to broader issues.

As far as father-son goes, when Port (and the crows for that matter) came into the comp they gained no benefit from father-son at all and had no Academies. Port had one father-son from the sanfl rules and that was due to an aadministrative oversight. The crows were gifted one in Michalanney that is highly dubious as a square up.

Setting a great example with the personal attacks and wild spin.

Port and Crows had a huge head start on Suns and Giants. This is reflected in results and it isn’t a coincidence those concessions led to the crows success in 97/98 and Ports sucess throughout the early 2000s.

You can cry foul but the fact is the administration of the PAFC is the biggest issue limiting its own success, not the odd player that still must be bid for through use of draft picks by expansion clubs with zero premierships and one grand final appearance between them.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Setting a great example with the personal attacks and wild spin.

Port and Crows had a huge head start on Suns and Giants. This is reflected in results and it isn’t a coincidence those concessions led to the crows success in 97/98 and Ports sucess throughout the early 2000s.

You can cry foul but the fact is the administration of the PAFC is the biggest issue limiting its own success, not the odd player that still must be bid for through use of draft picks by expansion clubs with zero premierships and one grand final appearance between them.

There's no personal attack, you are just gaslighting. You did ditch the club you claimed to support to follow some other entity for whatever reason. Isn't that true? Is it not a fact?

And you keep mounting strawman arguments about other issues that I never broached. Did I ever say anything about Port's administration? Have I defended them in this discussion? You've just introduced them apropos of nothing.

I'm perfectly entitled to make a comment about a particular football issue without you trying link it to wild spin offs to use your terminology. Maybe I should justify peace in the Middle East next?

And surely you are not saying the Giants didn't have start up concessions. They've benefited through them for generations, because even when the Vic clubs poached those players, they would get multiple first round picks in return.

Port Adelaide had the worst start up concessions of any club to join the AFL.

 

[Waspy79]

There's no personal attack, you are just gaslighting. You did ditch the club you claimed to support to follow some other entity for whatever reason. Isn't that true? Is it not a fact?

And you keep mounting strawman arguments about other issues that I never broached. Did I ever say anything about Port's administration? Have I defended them in this discussion? You've just introduced them apropos of nothing.

I'm perfectly entitled to make a comment about a particular football issue without you trying link it to wild spin offs to use your terminology. Maybe I should justify peace in the Middle East next?

And surely you are not saying the Giants didn't have start up concessions. They've benefited through them for generations, because even when the Vic clubs poached those players, they would get multiple first round picks in return.

Port Adelaide had the worst start up concessions of any club to join the AFL.

Gaslighting no one. Suns and Giants might have had better draft concessions on paper, but they didn’t have the benefit of raiding a local state league or hiding players away. History shows the concessions didn’t lead to any success whereas they did for Crows and Port.

Suns and Giants had massive retention issues in the early years and no doubt this played a role in the introduction of academies. Home grown talent will stay home.

You’ve come up with no counter arguments to Port and Crows attracting players like Dawson, Rankine, JHF and Lukosious home. What players that aren’t rejects aside from Daniel Rioli have the Suns and Giants lured?

I think you pointed out the Footscray prelim had to be the final straw for Hinkley and because it wasn’t it was the final straw for me. I vowed I was done until he was gone.