Positive Mindset

[Tracker 101]

After watching the St Kilda/Freo game yesterday I started wondering how a struggling team can so convincingly defeat a top team.
Fremantle were beaten at almost every stoppage and hardly had a clean clearance all day.
Can you put it down to an adrenaline rush or an emotional response to the Lenny Hayes retirement or is it something else. It certainly shows that on any one day any team can beat another. It was the way it was done that really surprised me as it is not common to see a team so totally dominate another team so far ahead of them in the skills department.
How do we tap into this belief that overcame the Saints when the odds were stacked against them?
A coach can challenge an individual or roast another but how do you instil this desire as a collective for the entire team.
I think it's more than emotion or an inspiring speech or an adrenaline rush. Is it as simple as confidence ?
We all seem to recognise players who we think went backwards this year and wonder how can that be as you hardly lose your skills or your speed. But confidence and belief in your own ability and as a team more so can move mountains. So this leads us to the point that maybe the building blocks are there and we just have to concentrate on how they all go together rather than searching for that mythical player that when introduced will turn our fortunes around. Maybe it has to come from within because it lies latent in everyone as we witnessed yesterday.
We must remember that St Kilda didn't just win they dominated and totally negated the skill set of the opposition.

 

[Marlin01]

If only we had a player closing in on 300 games that could retire.

 

[Eagle87]

After watching the St Kilda/Freo game yesterday I started wondering how a struggling team can so convincingly defeat a top team.
Fremantle were beaten at almost every stoppage and hardly had a clean clearance all day.
Can you put it down to an adrenaline rush or an emotional response to the Lenny Hayes retirement or is it something else. It certainly shows that on any one day any team can beat another. It was the way it was done that really surprised me as it is not common to see a team so totally dominate another team so far ahead of them in the skills department.
How do we tap into this belief that overcame the Saints when the odds were stacked against them?
A coach can challenge an individual or roast another but how do you instil this desire as a collective for the entire team.
I think it's more than emotion or an inspiring speech or an adrenaline rush. Is it as simple as confidence ?
We all seem to recognise players who we think went backwards this year and wonder how can that be as you hardly lose your skills or your speed. But confidence and belief in your own ability and as a team more so can move mountains. So this leads us to the point that maybe the building blocks are there and we just have to concentrate on how they all go together rather than searching for that mythical player that when introduced will turn our fortunes around. Maybe it has to come from within because it lies latent in everyone as we witnessed yesterday.
We must remember that St Kilda didn't just win they dominated and totally negated the skill set of the opposition.

And if they played again next week what would happen?

Freo were flat. Saints played out of their skins. It happens a few times every year. Add to that that Saints have recruited some very good kids and their champs all had good games and you get an upset.

The notion that you propose that we can someone forget new talent and just tap into our inner greatness is either new age nonsense or just nonsense.

St Kilda are last because they aren't collectively better than anyone else across the season. Freo are 3rd because they are collectively better than most everyone else. We are 11th because the majority of the league are collectively better than us.

We improve by maximising what we have on our list, developing our players AND by improving the talent in the squad.

The power of positive thinking alone won't get us anywhere over the long haul if we aren't good enough ....



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[Smotie]

Hopefully priddis can positively think himself to better disposal.

Op is rubbish new age crap. The saint went out with passion for Hayes like Brisbane did against north when brown retired.
That and freo were expecting an easy win.

No positive mind control jargon involved.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Amazing what happens when you play with heart, right?

 

[Marlin01]

Hopefully priddis can positively think himself to better disposal.

Op is rubbish new age crap. The saint went out with passion for Hayes like Brisbane did against north when brown retired.
That and freo were expecting an easy win.

No positive mind control jargon involved.

Aren't your St Kilda and Brisbane examples perfect illustrations of the importance of mindset?

 

[Smotie]

Aren't your St Kilda and Brisbane examples perfect illustrations of the importance of mindset?

As Byron clanger said. They played with heart.
Not a meditation technique. Even then, why does it take someone retiring for a team to play like that.
We struggle to find players that play with passion, McGovern has come in and played with passion. Its been a breath of fresh air.

Also I think that the saints have some good young talent that clicked on the night for this reason.

 

[Tracker 101]

As Byron clanger said. They played with heart.
Not a meditation technique. Even then, why does it take someone retiring for a team to play like that.
We struggle to find players that play with passion, McGovern has come in and played with passion. Its been a breath of fresh air.

Missed the point Smotie.
You acknowledge that we need players to play with passion.
The question is how do we tap into that passion.

 

[Marlin01]

You oppose the OP so vehemently then fall back on "heart" and "passion". Are these not just synonyms for mindset?

 

[Smotie]

Missed the point Smotie.
You acknowledge that we need players to play with passion.
The question is how do we tap into that passion.

Yes you are right.
Let's set up some meditation and positive thinking classes.
Hopefully that will bypass skills and training disciplines.

 

[Smotie]

You oppose the OP so vehemently then fall back on "heart" and "passion". Are these not just synonyms for mindset?

Not at all.
Positive thinking is a whole different set to playing with heart and passion.
Are you discounting the fact that the saints have some good young talent that played very well as well?

 

[Tracker 101]

Yes you are right.
Let's set up some meditation and positive thinking classes.
Hopefully that will bypass skills and training disciplines.

There is an old saying that football is played 90% between the ears.
But in all fairness it's not an area you would be too familiar with.

 

[Marlin01]

Paul Roos is a highly regarded coach. I mean he's no Smotie, but a well-regarded football mind all the same.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...824002686?nk=e94baf63426affb6e1fda5c3247840e0

 

[Marlin01]

Not at all.
Positive thinking is a whole different set to playing with heart and passion.
Are you discounting the fact that the saints have some good young talent that played very well as well?

Please explain the difference between playing with "heart" and positive thinking.

Where has St Kilda's talent been all year?

 

[Smotie]

Please explain the difference between playing with "heart" and positive thinking.

Where has St Kilda's talent been all year?

There is an element of a thought process to playing with heart or passion, that's not what I am saying. But to think that you can tap into some inner greatness that is "latent within" through positive thinking is rubbish.

The Saints played with skill and hunger but that isn't brought about by tapping into the mind in some Zen way. They had an external reason to play with that hunger and passion in Lenny Hayes retiring but they also played very well. Their skills were awesome. You don't magically gather skills from a positive mindset. I am sure the Eagles have been trying for 2 years to have a positive mindset but it isn't helping our skill set is it?

 

[Smotie]

Paul Roos is a highly regarded coach. I mean he's no Smotie, but a well-regarded football mind all the same.

http://m.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl...824002686?nk=e94baf63426affb6e1fda5c3247840e0

Yes it has been helping Melbourne this year hasn't it?

 

[Marlin01]

Yes it has been helping Melbourne this year hasn't it?

I don't know. Paul Roos obviously thinks there's something to it.

 

[Tracker 101]

Yes it has been helping Melbourne this year hasn't it?

Yes.
It has helped Melbourne this year.
They have a greater belief in themselves and are much more competive than previously.
A player like Lyndon Dunn who was all but on the scrap heap is staring this season and the team has a few decent scalps to their name. And yes, Roos does attempt to tap into their inner psyche.

 

[ep2018]

If only we had a player closing in on 300 games that could retire.

Like that would help us. We seem to blow milestone games and the like. Saints also have a lot of promising younger players, who do we have?

 

[Smotie]

Yes.
It has helped Melbourne this year.
They have a greater belief in themselves and are much more competive than previously.
A player like Lyndon Dunn who was all but on the scrap heap is staring this season and the team has a few decent scalps to their name. And yes, Roos does attempt to tap into their inner psyche.

And you put that wholly down to meditation? They aren't on top of the ladder ate they?

Look, IMO you need to have a positive mindset to winning. But that doesn't gloss over or fix everything else as you are suggesting. It certainly doesn't make up for skills and team work.

And meditation and finding the talent within isn't going to fix our problems.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Fremantle had a bad game and StKilda player to their full abilities.

StKilda also have some serious talent on their list, and will add more this year they won't stay down for long if well coached.

Young sides struggle across a lot of different areas and it's hard for them to bring all of it together for one game let alone week to week, StKilda just had one of those rare days.

 

[Eagle87]

Yes.
It has helped Melbourne this year.
They have a greater belief in themselves and are much more competive than previously.
A player like Lyndon Dunn who was all but on the scrap heap is staring this season and the team has a few decent scalps to their name. And yes, Roos does attempt to tap into their inner psyche.

FFS ... That's coaching. No one doubts that a better coach gets more out of his players than a shit coach.

No doubt some component of that is self belief and that's achieved in different ways with different players. Some get given very simple instructions "mate just focus on these 2 things", strip the game down and make it easier. That may help their performance but it doesn't turn shit into gold.

Melbourne are in the bottom few. They are more competitive, in part, by good coaching which has produced some of the most turgid football seen in recent memory in amongst the odd good game.

None of which proves your assertion that players are all magical beings just waiting to have a master wizard extract their magical essence and carry them to greatness.

The reality us that the grand final will be fought between 2 of the best 2 or 3 teams (injury and luck plays some part). If St Kilda played in the GF with the same team they played yesterday and they played Freo they'd get killed. Because Freo would be up and about and given both teams bring at least 90% of their best "effort" Freo are a 10 goal better side, everytime, because of talent ...

No one doubts you need effort (however you define that) and that ones mental approach is significant. The reason we have "upsets" is usually when one team is off and the other "gets a sniff", as happened yesterday.

But extrapolating from that that we as a club or only where we are because of inability to extract magic from the minds of our players IS new age nonsense and is also ****ing stupid.

We lack ability in certain areas. Assuming both sides come ready to play 6-8 sides are demonstrably better than us and would win almost every time. Then 2-4 sides are slightly better than us.

This isn't rocket science ... or magic


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[Eagle87]

Fremantle had a bad game and StKilda player to their full abilities.

StKilda also have some serious talent on their list, and will add more this year they won't stay down for long if well coached.

Young sides struggle across a lot of different areas and it's hard for them to bring all of it together for one game let alone week to week, StKilda just had one of those rare days.

Indeed. The Saints were magical


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[Kernel Sanders]

Missed the point Smotie.
You acknowledge that we need players to play with passion.
The question is how do we tap into that passion.

Get rid of the Midfielder that's stinking up our whole team, Priddis the Elephant in the Team, and we're 50% there.

Cheers

 

[Keys]

We are one of the more consistent teams in the league as evidenced by our inability to get "upset" wins against sides above us and rarely do we lose to sides below us

If I was a saints supporter, whilst being ecstatic about that win over the dockers, I'd be asking where that level of effort has been over the last 11 weeks

We are a below average side without being a basket case and routinely display on weekends when we play