Review Post Mortem vs Bombers

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[loki04]

I just watched the last qtr and there were quite a number of questionable/non calls, (for and against both teams) as everyone has mentioned.
However, there's a bigger, (dare I say smaller) scandle that hasn't been addressed.
Who the hell shrunk Callum Brown's jumper??!!
He was running around like a teenage girl, (minus the bell button piercing).

It was tucked inside itself. The missus made comment on how small it was when he was having a set shot and I noticed it was folded up on inside of geurnsey giving a middrift look.

 

[boncer34]

End of the day the Pies were to good over 4 quarters.

We started poorly, gave up a 33 point head start and failed to reel it in. Our blokes haven’t been in that situation often, big stage close game, and it showed with our lack of composure late.

Hopefully we learn the lesson moving forward.

 

[TradeDraft]

As a side note, Worsfold is piss weak for pretending he didn't understand why people were booing, therefore, he couldn't comment on the behaviour.

Show some balls and call out your supporters. "There was something there that frustrated them", what so, that justifies the booing? What exactly could happen that would justify booing over the top of war veterans and an AFL great getting and award?

Says a lot about their club in my opinion.

Hopefully the AFL has a word about how Pathetic he and his club looked yesterday

 

[TheGreatSwan]

You just don't get it.
I am far from PC and no averse to booing but... on ANZAC day; during the award ceremony? Surely not.
Don't make into a PC issue, nothing to do with political correctness.
It is an ANZAC day and booing during the speech is disrespectful to what the day is about. And that is not a game of footy, I hope at least you can understand that.
Whoever is booing are just flogs with no respect for the occasion and think that venting about a few bad umps decisions is more important.

Definitely not disagreeing with you mate. This whole debacle hijacked the real importance of yesterday. I wasn't born in Australia and I do not have any Australian heritage. But I am damn proud and grateful! If we want to talk about respect on Anzac day, how about the fans who get piss drunk and abuse the players/other fans (I've experienced it first hand). How quickly we forget! But I think we're talking about two different issues.

The uproar is about booing star players (Ablett, Pendles, Goodes etc), that's what I was referring to. We are a PC society now. I didn't watch it but heard Mark Robinson said he lost faith in humanity after Pendles got booed. Last Sunday, 300 people died in Sri Lanka. But people have lost faith in humanity because of noise being made in the crowd. Get a grip!

 

[Markfs]

To win like that when we played poorly in stretches, with some key players down on form, in a high pressure game, on the biggest H&A stage (I've woken up with an attack of the cliches) - I'll take that every day. Its a very good sign and reinforces that we are a genuinely contending team. The Bombers are a good side, but we are better. And when we click - watch out.

In the meantime, are there really still fans who question Langdon's worth? Surely not.

On Brown, he is starting to have some presence in the game. The coaches will keep playing him, because they know what they're doing. I remember the outrage on here a few years back when (apparently) Maynard was being 'gifted' games and the end of the world was nigh. Well, that 'gifting' of games to a developing young footballer pays off, in spades. Brown is also the future, while sadly Greenwood, Varcoe and Beams are not.

WHE was rusty but still took some good marks. Those hands of his - he is such a one touch specialist.

Pendles played one of his best captain's games. Outstanding leadership shown out there today.

On the booing, I hate that its happening after the game is over. But ugly booing in game is also a blight on our game, starting with Goodes several seasons back. Its appalling mindless mob behaviour, and sadly our own fans are also capable of it. Not sure how to stop it, but we can rely on Gil to say something mealy mouthed and inoffensive about it, being the jellyfish he is. Worsfold in his presser also demonstrated little integrity, finding a way to excuse it. Not surprised from the man who oversaw the goings on at West Coast in the mid-2000s. And David King tried his best to make the whole mess even messier, in his after-match comments. Poor efforts all around.

I was quite surprised with both browns in the Freo match over here. Callum showed some bursts of speed and sure ball handling that put him above the average hacker like Ben Crocker. Your point about generational change is well made. Brown and Sier arethe next generation and we saw the game changing part of generational change in 2010 when a few of the youngsters got in. So he might go beyond just being a handy first reserve. The only thing about him at the moment is that I get no sense that he has much scope for improvement. He got 4 tackles but only 5 of his 16 possessions were contested. That gives me the impression that he is a finisher but he's nowhere near dynamic as some of the smaller players around the league, and i cant see him doing that. Does he turn himself into a small terrier version of his old man? Maybe..

As for the booing, I think we are hearing a muted response by a lot of club people and commentators because part of their livelihood depends on the mug punter who boos. Dont bite the hand that feeds.

The thing that made the booing unsettling to me yesterday were the circumstances that it occurred. Pendles was presented a medal for good and fair play. The teams had gotten a yearly bout of programming by various people about the specialness of the day, and they go out and show that. After being bitterly disappointed at losing, the essendon players shook hands and chatted. The crowd reaction completely destroyed that feeling. It turned it from a celebration of community to a demonstration of tribalism. Personally, I'd prefer to spend 5 years in jail than have to go off to war to defend the rights of the cretins who were booing.

 

[loki04]

Mentioned Hooker out marking Cox the one where Stringer got ridden into the ground and the Moore missing the ball when he got tackled. Also Tippas high frees not paid and there was a free against Essendon for for holding the ball when he got ridden into the ground that should have gone to Essendon but we got for a throw. Also adamant Stringer should have got a 50 meter penalty.

Tippawungi ducks and dives to ground everytime he gets the ball playing for frees there was a high tackle earlier on in the game to a pie and ump didnt pay it while telling them he ducked into it.
Dare say tippa gets some innoucous high contact let go due to his searching for it with his ducking and diving low in tackles.

 

[Towelboy]

Tippawungi ducks and dives to ground everytime he gets the ball playing for frees there was a high tackle earlier on in the game to a pie and ump didnt pay it while telling them he ducked into it.
Dare say tippa gets some innoucous high contact let go due to his searching for it with his ducking and diving low in tackles.

I reckon they miss a few on him due to his hair.

 

[Gabbo64]

As a side note, Worsfold is piss weak for pretending he didn't understand why people were booing, therefore, he couldn't comment on the behaviour.

Show some balls and call out your supporters. "There was something there that frustrated them", what so, that justifies the booing? What exactly could happen that would justify booing over the top of war veterans and an AFL great getting and award?

Says a lot about their club in my opinion.

Didn't like Worsfold as a player as I felt he was a bit of a sniper.
But I must say I've always liked him as a coach. Very honest and forthcoming. I was very surprised and disappointed with his comment about the booing.

 

[JB1975]

Ultimately the better team won.

The good thing about the result being close is it’s given them a false sense of optimism to go along their already held sense of entitlement, which will make another bombers loss to Carlton even sweeter.

We were the better team. We probably weren't the better team for the majority of the match, but we were better across the entire game.

Bombers fans aren't wrong, they are ultimately entitled to have a sook if that's what they want, but the rest of us reserve the right to call it out for what it is: an almighty but mightily amusing dummy spit.

A funny thing happens when teams allow the opposition to get the jump on them; it means they need to spend the rest of the game clawing their way back into the contest, and that inevitably means that their fortunes are more vulnerable to the vagaries of the game, like the small mistakes of their own players or the moments of fortitude from their opponents or the decisions of umpires.

But instead of lamenting the shitfulness of their own mob early on, or the waywardness of them throughout the game, some Essendon supporters decided to focus their angst on the umpires and to 'vent' their bile at an inappropriate moment. That's called a tantrum, and it's f****** pathetic.

 

[magpie_marty]

We have so much more improvement to come,
And that is a great thing as the season progresses.

 

[loki04]

I appreciate you chucking this in at the start of your post, saved me having to bother to read the wall that followed.

Dropping the ball is NOT holding the ball. Dropping the ball after having prior opportunity to dispose of it while being tackled IS holding the ball. Dropping the ball without making a genuine attempt IS holding the ball.

No doubt you won't see the distinction, most struggle with it

Its not holding the ball but it is incorrect disposal, a rule so rarely implemented it might as well not exist.

 

[TradeDraft]

We have so much more improvement to come,
And that is a great thing as the season progresses.

That what I am hoping that we will Improve with each Game

 

[Thefly38]

Of those 10 frees, how many resulted in goals to us?

What about those missed?

Did they mention McDonald-Tippenwutti's throw?

Did they discuss the free against Grundy in the back ?

Tippa throw ?

Fact that stringer is aloud to just drop the ball constantly ?

Ridiculous block called because stringer cried ?

They were terrible but Essendon were not hard done by the umpires and thinking anything other is delusional.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Thefly38]

Its not holding the ball but it is incorrect disposal, a rule so rarely implemented it might as well not exist.

Genuine question does it still exist. It was missed at least 6 times yesterday against heppel and stringer alone.

 

[Bad Horse]

It was tucked inside itself. The missus made comment on how small it was when he was having a set shot and I noticed it was folded up on inside of geurnsey giving a middrift look.

If it provides easy access to belly button lint im all for it.

 

[Apex36]

Anyone taking bets on who this bloke supports? Richmond, Essendon or a general Collingwood hater?

St Kilda.

 

[magpie_marty]

If it provides easy access to belly button lint im all for it.

Do horses have belly buttons?

 

[Bad Horse]

Do horses have belly buttons?

Yes. But not ponies, as they are the spawn of Satan.

 

[Gabbo64]

Definitely not disagreeing with you mate. This whole debacle hijacked the real importance of yesterday. I wasn't born in Australia and I do not have any Australian heritage. But I am damn proud and grateful! If we want to talk about respect on Anzac day, how about the fans who get piss drunk and abuse the players/other fans (I've experienced it first hand). How quickly we forget! But I think we're talking about two different issues.

The uproar is about booing star players (Ablett, Pendles, Goodes etc), that's what I was referring to. We are a PC society now. I didn't watch it but heard Mark Robinson said he lost faith in humanity after Pendles got booed. Last Sunday, 300 people died in Sri Lanka. But people have lost faith in humanity because of noise being made in the crowd. Get a grip!

Sorry, GreatSwan, those poor 300 souls killed in Sri Lanka was one of the most appalling tragedies one can possibly imagine. That doesn't mean that somethings on a lesser scale couldn't cause a loss in faith.
I'm not having a crack, but I see and read things everyday that show our society is quickly losing any kind of respect for others. And that is certainly affecting my faith in humanity.

 

[TradeDraft]

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[JB1975]

If it provides easy access to belly button lint im all for it.

Not sure you've thought this through. Won't the lack of coverage diminish the production of belly button lint?

 

[loki04]

Genuine question does it still exist. It was missed at least 6 times yesterday against heppel and stringer alone.

I dont know but i have been having arguments on it on the main board.
The consensus seems to be that umpires have added a prior opportunity ruling to it like with htb rule (umps have said it in response to players asking for it was one in our game a few rounds ago said over mic). But no one can find that as rule in laws of the game.


People seem to confuse the prior in holding the ball rule with an incorrect disposal rule. Prior on incorrect does not exist but the umps have been using as a reason not to apply the rule.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

The thing that made the booing unsettling to me yesterday were the circumstances that it occurred. Pendles was presented a medal for good and fair play. The teams had gotten a yearly bout of programming by various people about the specialness of the day, and they go out and show that. After being bitterly disappointed at losing, the essendon players shook hands and chatted. The crowd reaction completely destroyed that feeling. It turned it from a celebration of community to a demonstration of tribalism. Personally, I'd prefer to spend 5 years in jail than have to go off to war to defend the rights of the cretins who were booing.

That's a brilliant summary Markfs
As a neutral I thought it was a fantastic and gripping contest and yes the Umpires didn't have their best day.
However all the frustration should get parked at the door once the final siren sounds just the way the players did. The lack of respect to a brilliant player who had just played a virtually flawless game and the veterans in the crowd was really concerning.
I thought Buckley's' response was absolutely brilliant , for a coach to come out and back his player that way is a powerful demonstration of how together the group is - great sign for the season ahead