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1. Richmond

Best team in the minor round last year. Got ambushed by Collingwood in Richmond's 'home' prelim, with Cotchin and Martin both not right.

Then added Tom Lynch, one of the top few key forwards in the league.

2. Melbourne

Incredible midfield.

Then added Steven May, one of the top few key defenders in the league. He adds the solidity to their backline they were missing.

If they can maintain focus they will be hard to beat.

3. Adelaide

We play a high skill high mental focus precision kicking game. Every player on the ground needs to be fully focused at all times to know exactly where to go & when.

When we are in control we will look unbeatable. Then some team with more pure talent in the midfield will bulldoze us for 7 goals in 20 minutes, and we won't be able to stack the backline from centre bounces to stop it.

The only team I can remember successfully executing the high skill kicking game as well in finals as they did in the minor round is Hawthorn. (4 times.) They had the luxury of playing at their home ground vs non-Melbourne teams in every GF which is as comfortable as a GF gets.

Most often the team with the more straightforward longer kicking game and more run wins. Most likely we will fall over when it counts like we always do.

Will still play lots of good footy and some exciting kids.

4. Geelong

I thought the Cats were reasonably good last year.

They should be better this year
- Danger: fully fit
- Dahlhaus: a pretty good player who fits a need, who will be delighted to have escaped Crazy Bevo
- Ablett: possibly the greatest player of all time, will win games off his own boot from the goalkicking forward role

Should get back to their 2016-2017 levels.

5. Hawthorn

Well coached and have stars across the field. Wingard will make a big difference to their forward line with his pressure, ability to win contests and skills.

Think the loss of Mitchell together with 6-6-6 might have tipped the balance away from this type of team and towards a team with more pure talent in the centre square.

Mitchell back next year + one more star trade/free agent and they will be contenders again. The AFL, where rich Melbourne teams can rebuild by trading in players from less rich non-Melbourne teams.

6. GWS

So many injuries every year. Average coach. Potentially Coniglio on the way out as a free agent.

Amazing to think they might have blown all that talent on mediocre coaching, and pushing players to play when injured causing more injuries.

7. West Coast

Their midfield wasn't particularly good last year, other than an out-of-character dominant finals month.

Their ball movement depends on marks from Kennedy and Darling, and Kennedy is getting older and has had injury question marks.

I can see them falling back to the pack a bit.

8. Collingwood

The anecdotal evidence is in. Losing grand finalists have a bit of a meltdown the next year. It must be soul destroying.

Injury problems over pre season.

I reckon they end up like West Coast in 2017, some good wins, end up in finals, but it never really comes together.

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9. Essendon

They don't have Neeld anymore, which means they don't have the ability to fire him for a mid-season boost.

Daniher more injuries.

They still don't have one contested animal midfielder.

I think they play some great football at times, but might get bulldozed by teams with more powerful midfields, and don't have the coaching acumen to build a gameplan to compensate.

10. Brisbane

On the way up.

Prediction: they will be hated for anti-social football like early Clarko Hawks. Once they are really good, we will realise we want them to go back to being bad again please, but it will be too late.

11. Sydney

They have a lot of young players, many in important roles. Their stars are thinning and aging.

Can Josh Kennedy and Buddy Franklin dominate the league again? I am not sure. They will dominate some matches but perhaps not consistently enough. Ryan Clarke will be useful.

One or two years out of the eight while still being competitive, one or two trade / free agency signings, and they will be back amongst it.

12. North Melbourne

Big money big Melbourne teams can rebuild through trades and free agency. Small Melbourne teams need to use the draft just like non-Victorian teams do.

North Melbourne seem to think they are one of the big money teams. They persist with this even as their free agency targets and trade targets turn them down every year, and for the most part they are left with Aaron Hall and Jaspar Pittard types.

LDU their one early pick recently and he has not exactly taken the league by storm.

Not sure how they expect to turn their current list into a premiership list this way.

13. Port Adelaide

In a weird place with a few really good old players like Gray and Ryder and Westhoff, Dixon, a few new young talents, and a big gap in the middle.

Marshall I reckon is one of the most exciting young key forwards in the league. Hope he has a break-out year and kicks 40 goals like Warren Tredrea in 1999.

If Gray and Ryder go on for another 3-4 years, and Marshall and new draftees fire, then they could be competitive for a few years. Or Gray and Ryder get injured, and Port will be in the bottom four.

Riley Bonner is the new Jaspar Pittard.

14. St Kilda

Nice mature list of decent players, just lack a couple of stars. Not a big club so they won't get those stars in trade / free agency. Too good to get top 3 picks, and not good enough at drafting to get stars from later picks.

Well intentioned, hard working, low IQ. Will work and pressure their way to wins over dysfunctional misfits, and over some good teams. Hard to see them consistently beating top teams. Could easily reproduce their 2017 where they won about 11 games.

15. Bulldogs

I get that they have rebuilt the list since their premiership. But I don't get why so many of the young players who seemed so promising haven't really pushed on. Dahlhaus gone. Libba and Wallis have had their struggles. Bont hasn't quite stepped up to the top-5 player in the league which looked likely from his first couple of seasons.

Still very young and look a bit dysfunctional.

16. Fremantle

Jesse Hogan wanted in. Lachie Neale wanted out.

Have drafted lots of young talent, but not sure they have the senior leaders and culture to make the most of it.

One Nat Fyfe injury away from being really awful.

17. Carlton

If the likes of SPS and Weitering are to become stars, they should start winning games for their team this year. I think they will win some games.

I think they might be a better team than Fremantle, but Fremantle will get some Fyfe-powered ambush wins at home.

18. Gold Coast

They were as bad as Carlton were last year. They had a percentage of 59.

Now without their two best players.

GWS in season one had a percentage 46, and in season two it was 50. Gold Coast might be that bad. Except without the model professional leaders the Giants recruited which pulled them out of that tier by season three.

How long until the AFL reassigns some good citizen from our club to sort out that organisation, and then we realise that citizen wasn't as bad as we thought they were while they were with us.
 
Today's loss has changed everything... and Ports and Geelong's wins have changed a few things.
Crows wont make the top 4
Port will finish above the Crows
Geelong can make top 4
Dees remind me of us... letdowns and will finish 5-8th

West Coast
Collingwood
Richmond
Geelong
GWS
Port
Melbourne
Adelaide

Hawthorn
Essendon
Sydney
North
Brisbane
Bulldogs
Fremantle
Carlton
St Kilda
Gold coast
 
I posted this November on the main board. Might have to rejig the Hawks but I'll leave them for now

Adelaide 16-6
Melbourne 15-7
Eagles 14-8
Hawks 14-8

Giants 14-8
Pies 14-8
Richmond 13-9
Essendon 13-9

Brisbane 11-11
Geelong 11-11
Port 11-11
Sydney 10-12

North 9-13
Fremantle 9-13

Dogs 7-15
Saints 6-16
Carlton 6-16
Suns 4-18

+2 or -2
Reckon you might have to rethink that grey one

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Yeah 12th to 14th is realistic

We played horribly but we're still capable of beating teams. Unfortunately I still think GC and St K are wins, which will help Pyke's cause

I wish coaching changes were kind of like the NBA - more ruthless, even without considering the season's end result. Two coaches, who improved on their previous year's record, have been sacked in the past few days alone. Meanwhile, in the AFL, we've seen coaches like Beveridge, Richardson, Bolton, Lyon etc ride on the coattails of 'past results' or 'rebuilds' and keep their jobs despite getting worse every year, and it looks like Pyke might go down the same path
 
8 or 9 wins max and if that happens the club has no choice but to sack Pyke and make some hard calls on some senior players.
 

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1. Richmond

Best team in the minor round last year. Got ambushed by Collingwood in Richmond's 'home' prelim, with Cotchin and Martin both not right.

Then added Tom Lynch, one of the top few key forwards in the league.
:whitecheck: :whitecheck: :whitecheck:
2. Melbourne

Incredible midfield.

Then added Steven May, one of the top few key defenders in the league. He adds the solidity to their backline they were missing.

If they can maintain focus they will be hard to beat.
:crossmark: :crossmark: :crossmark: :crossmark: like everyone else
3. Adelaide

We play a high skill high mental focus precision kicking game. Every player on the ground needs to be fully focused at all times to know exactly where to go & when.

When we are in control we will look unbeatable. Then some team with more pure talent in the midfield will bulldoze us for 7 goals in 20 minutes, and we won't be able to stack the backline from centre bounces to stop it.

The only team I can remember successfully executing the high skill kicking game as well in finals as they did in the minor round is Hawthorn. (4 times.) They had the luxury of playing at their home ground vs non-Melbourne teams in every GF which is as comfortable as a GF gets.

Most often the team with the more straightforward longer kicking game and more run wins. Most likely we will fall over when it counts like we always do.

Will still play lots of good footy and some exciting kids.
:crossmark: :crossmark: :crossmark: :crossmark: like everyone else
4. Geelong

I thought the Cats were reasonably good last year.

They should be better this year
- Danger: fully fit
- Dahlhaus: a pretty good player who fits a need, who will be delighted to have escaped Crazy Bevo
- Ablett: possibly the greatest player of all time, will win games off his own boot from the goalkicking forward role

Should get back to their 2016-2017 levels.
:whitecheck:
5. Hawthorn

Well coached and have stars across the field. Wingard will make a big difference to their forward line with his pressure, ability to win contests and skills.

Think the loss of Mitchell together with 6-6-6 might have tipped the balance away from this type of team and towards a team with more pure talent in the centre square.

Mitchell back next year + one more star trade/free agent and they will be contenders again. The AFL, where rich Melbourne teams can rebuild by trading in players from less rich non-Melbourne teams.
:crossmark:
6. GWS

So many injuries every year. Average coach. Potentially Coniglio on the way out as a free agent.

Amazing to think they might have blown all that talent on mediocre coaching, and pushing players to play when injured causing more injuries.
Mostly :whitecheck:

Except they fluked two heartstopping finals victories which took them to an undeserved grand final, and a deserved flogging in said grand final.
7. West Coast

Their midfield wasn't particularly good last year, other than an out-of-character dominant finals month.

Their ball movement depends on marks from Kennedy and Darling, and Kennedy is getting older and has had injury question marks.

I can see them falling back to the pack a bit.
:whitecheck:
8. Collingwood

The anecdotal evidence is in. Losing grand finalists have a bit of a meltdown the next year. It must be soul destroying.

Injury problems over pre season.

I reckon they end up like West Coast in 2017, some good wins, end up in finals, but it never really comes together.

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:crossmark:
9. Essendon

They don't have Neeld anymore, which means they don't have the ability to fire him for a mid-season boost.

Daniher more injuries.

They still don't have one contested animal midfielder.

I think they play some great football at times, but might get bulldozed by teams with more powerful midfields, and don't have the coaching acumen to build a gameplan to compensate.
:whitecheck:
10. Brisbane

On the way up.

Prediction: they will be hated for anti-social football like early Clarko Hawks. Once they are really good, we will realise we want them to go back to being bad again please, but it will be too late.
:crossmark: on the way up much quicker than anyone here predicted
11. Sydney

They have a lot of young players, many in important roles. Their stars are thinning and aging.

Can Josh Kennedy and Buddy Franklin dominate the league again? I am not sure. They will dominate some matches but perhaps not consistently enough. Ryan Clarke will be useful.

One or two years out of the eight while still being competitive, one or two trade / free agency signings, and they will be back amongst it.
:whitecheck:
12. North Melbourne

Big money big Melbourne teams can rebuild through trades and free agency. Small Melbourne teams need to use the draft just like non-Victorian teams do.

North Melbourne seem to think they are one of the big money teams. They persist with this even as their free agency targets and trade targets turn them down every year, and for the most part they are left with Aaron Hall and Jaspar Pittard types.

LDU their one early pick recently and he has not exactly taken the league by storm.

Not sure how they expect to turn their current list into a premiership list this way.
:whitecheck:
13. Port Adelaide

In a weird place with a few really good old players like Gray and Ryder and Westhoff, Dixon, a few new young talents, and a big gap in the middle.

Marshall I reckon is one of the most exciting young key forwards in the league. Hope he has a break-out year and kicks 40 goals like Warren Tredrea in 1999.

If Gray and Ryder go on for another 3-4 years, and Marshall and new draftees fire, then they could be competitive for a few years. Or Gray and Ryder get injured, and Port will be in the bottom four.

Riley Bonner is the new Jaspar Pittard.
:whitecheck: -ish
14. St Kilda

Nice mature list of decent players, just lack a couple of stars. Not a big club so they won't get those stars in trade / free agency. Too good to get top 3 picks, and not good enough at drafting to get stars from later picks.

Well intentioned, hard working, low IQ. Will work and pressure their way to wins over dysfunctional misfits, and over some good teams. Hard to see them consistently beating top teams. Could easily reproduce their 2017 where they won about 11 games.
:whitecheck:
15. Bulldogs

I get that they have rebuilt the list since their premiership. But I don't get why so many of the young players who seemed so promising haven't really pushed on. Dahlhaus gone. Libba and Wallis have had their struggles. Bont hasn't quite stepped up to the top-5 player in the league which looked likely from his first couple of seasons.

Still very young and look a bit dysfunctional.
:crossmark: Bont was sensational, they finished the season super strong, look out next year
16. Fremantle

Jesse Hogan wanted in. Lachie Neale wanted out.

Have drafted lots of young talent, but not sure they have the senior leaders and culture to make the most of it.

One Nat Fyfe injury away from being really awful.
:whitecheck:
17. Carlton

If the likes of SPS and Weitering are to become stars, they should start winning games for their team this year. I think they will win some games.

I think they might be a better team than Fremantle, but Fremantle will get some Fyfe-powered ambush wins at home.
:whitecheck:
18. Gold Coast

They were as bad as Carlton were last year. They had a percentage of 59.

Now without their two best players.

GWS in season one had a percentage 46, and in season two it was 50. Gold Coast might be that bad. Except without the model professional leaders the Giants recruited which pulled them out of that tier by season three.

How long until the AFL reassigns some good citizen from our club to sort out that organisation, and then we realise that citizen wasn't as bad as we thought they were while they were with us.
:whitecheck:
 
Here is a ranking of how close our ladder predictions were to reality.

Calculation: each ladder position different between where you said a team would finish, and where they actually finished, is one point. eg I said Richmond would be first, but actually they were third, so that's two points. Add that up over all the teams.

Shaz2012 - 60
James_37 - 62
deaneus - 62
kulak - 62
Danger in Texas - 66
Carmo - 66
1990crow - 66
jackster83 - 68
Truck25 - 68
GreyCrow - 72
Golumless - 72
relapse - 72
Cleric - 74
oriXon - 74
Pea Nut - 74
crows dude - 74
Geoffa32 - 76
lunacy - 76

For reference, here's last year's results. Despite everyone getting Melbourne and Adelaide wildly wrong, overall people were much closer than last year. Interesting to see one oracle of a forum contributor sitting in the top few positions for both seasons.

Congrats to Shaz2012 the clear winner this year as closest overall, and picking the premier and runners up.
 
Today's loss has changed everything... and Ports and Geelong's wins have changed a few things.
Crows wont make the top 4
Port will finish above the Crows
Geelong can make top 4
Dees remind me of us... letdowns and will finish 5-8th

West Coast
Collingwood
Richmond
Geelong
GWS
Port
Melbourne
Adelaide

Hawthorn
Essendon
Sydney
North
Brisbane
Bulldogs
Fremantle
Carlton
St Kilda
Gold coast
Well i wasnt disgraced...
got a couple of things right i guess..
 

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