Opinion Posts That Don't Deserve a Thread (Random Opinion or Questions)

[RubbaDuck]

Random opinion and genuine question - I like fast players, do you ?

Are we talking fast over 60-100m, fast getting to one end of the ground and back or fast over a short distance?

It's quite another thing to be fast over a distance while also bouncing a ball. Who doesn't like the big runs of speed when a player has a paddock ahead? Robbie Ahmat from the edge of defensive 50 where he burned up a wing to goal. Lewis Jetta, bouncing at top speed chased by one or two players. That the sort of speed works when a player can get out into space, or if it's a race to a loose ball - I'm thinking of Gary Rohan.

It's not easy to get through heavy traffic at speed as many players who appear slow(er) can be lightning fast over 20m - forwards and inside mids often have that explosive power which they use to get space on an opponent. Players who may not be considered "fast" can often bring down a "fast" player with such an explosive burst. An example is Plugger, who was very fast over 20m.

 

[RubbaDuck]

does not count ootfulls

does it adjust for set shots, distance and angle

meaninglless otherwise

Of course it doesn't adjust for set shots, distance and angle. I made that abundantly clear in my first sentence. It's a simple ratio of goals to behinds. I acknowledged that players take their shots under different circumstances. It doesn't change the score, which is the only measure of which side won the game. The score counts only goals and behinds.

All data is meaningless, until it's interpreted. The data I posted is merely indicative. If I could find a stat that takes into account the degree of difficulty of shots on goals I would have posted that. To some extent degree of difficulty is offset by the effort of team defences, who make it harder for opposing players to take an easy shot at goal. Conversely, by focusing on defending the opposing goals they make it easier to take a difficult shot at goal. For example, a player will be allowed more opportunites to attempt a goal from 60m out on a hard angle than they will from 10m directly in front.

In any case, my post was illustrative, based on raw data. I expressly stated it doesn't compare apples with apples. I posted the raw stats because they offer more insight than your or anyone else's coloured perception of a particular player's accuracy.

As for being unhelpful data. Data is data. Folks can make of it whatever they wish to. Many will find it very helpful. I don't feel compelled to only post data that you find helpful. Folks in the AFL find the raw data on goals and behinds so helpful they only have to add it up to use it to award the AFL Premiership cup.

Tell those who record and collate the data on scoring that they're wasting your time if the data doesn't include degree of difficulty. Perhaps you could also ask for the Coleman Medal to take into account the difficulty of a shot or, better still, ask the AFL to adjust the scores of every game to take into account degree of difficulty. They even tried it with pre-season supergoals.

 

[RubbaDuck]

Does anyone else find it a touch worrying that sometimes our best clearance midfielders are Heeney and Papley ? Hope they can stay forward this year given all the investment in the midfield and ruck.

Happy to see Heeney or Papley used wherever they can contribute the most at any point in the game. Flexibility is king.

We may have invested a lot in our midfield but they will still get beaten sometimes, then we need to change it up. I'd rather have Papley kick starting the midfield than sitting idle inside 50. Ditto Heeney. Sometimes Isaac is the perfect foil for a particular oppo midfielder.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

Happy to see Heeney or Papley used wherever they can contribute the most at any point in the game. Flexibility is king.

We may have invested a lot in our midfield but they will still get beaten sometimes, then we need to change it up. I'd rather have Papley kick starting the midfield than sitting idle inside 50. Ditto Heeney. Sometimes Isaac is the perfect foil for a particular oppo midfielder.

Shows how elite Heeney and Paps truly are, can play in the midfield and are both lethal anywhere near the goals.

Hopefully less midfield time this year - would rather them on the receiving end of the many midfield clearances we will see this year but agree it’s a great way to bring them into the game if they’re being held or quiet.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Of course it doesn't adjust for set shots, distance and angle. I made that abundantly clear in my first sentence. It's a simple ratio of goals to behinds. I acknowledged that players take their shots under different circumstances. It doesn't change the score, which is the only measure of which side won the game. The score counts only goals and behinds.

All data is meaningless, until it's interpreted. The data I posted is merely indicative. If I could find a stat that takes into account the degree of difficulty of shots on goals I would have posted that. To some extent degree of difficulty is offset by the effort of team defences, who make it harder for opposing players to take an easy shot at goal. Conversely, by focusing on defending the opposing goals they make it easier to take a difficult shot at goal. For example, a player will be allowed more opportunites to attempt a goal from 60m out on a hard angle than they will from 10m directly in front.

In any case, my post was illustrative, based on raw data. I expressly stated it doesn't compare apples with apples. I posted the raw stats because they offer more insight than your or anyone else's coloured perception of a particular player's accuracy.

As for being unhelpful data. Data is data. Folks can make of it whatever they wish to. Many will find it very helpful. I don't feel compelled to only post data that you find helpful. Folks in the AFL find the raw data on goals and behinds so helpful they only have to add it up to use it to award the AFL Premiership cup.

Tell those who record and collate the data on scoring that they're wasting your time if the data doesn't include degree of difficulty. Perhaps you could also ask for the Coleman Medal to take into account the difficulty of a shot or, better still, ask the AFL to adjust the scores of every game to take into account degree of difficulty. They even tried it with pre-season supergoals.

Oh dear. You just do not get it.

As someone who has advised ABS, the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare and the Productivity Commission I know a bit about data.

 

[McRobie]

Can you provide evidence for the majority that do blow, specifically the majority swans players?

If you know enough people in the right areas you know. If you don’t think it happens you’re seriously deluded.

 

[McRobie]

I reckon the word "majority" has been used without evidence.

Kidding yourself. If you’ve been around the players socially, professionally you’d get it.
If get you want to believe it doesn’t happen but if you know you know, if you don’t you don’t.

I reckon the word "majority" has been used without evidence.

 

[Ed_Gein]

If you know enough people in the right areas you know. If you don’t think it happens you’re seriously deluded.

Didn't Dale Lewis allude to some players using drugs at the Swans? Or do I misremember? This is going back 15+ years during our time under Roos.

There are definitely recreational users at every club in the AFL, though. Feels like it's something the AFL turns a blind eye to unless there is a need to intervene.

 

[Jewelsbon]

Oh dear. You just do not get it.

As someone who has advised ABS, the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare and the Productivity Commission I know a bit about data.

Give me a break......

 

[tombomb]

If you know enough people in the right areas you know. If you don’t think it happens you’re seriously deluded.

Who are the 'people in right areas' that you know? Nightclub bouncers?

What actual evidence do you have that the majority of the players on our list are doing cocaine?

Saying that anyone who queries your statement is dumb, is not evidence of anything.

 

[Crust]

Random opinion and genuine question - I like fast players, do you ?

I take it that you went to every Taylor Swift concert.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Give me a break......

meh.

 

[McRobie]

Who are the 'people in right areas' that you know? Nightclub bouncers?

What actual evidence do you have that the majority of the players on our list are doing cocaine?

Saying that anyone who queries your statement is dumb, is not evidence of anything.

Nightclub bouncers? lol it doesn’t work like that, it’s not an episode of underbelly.
Im not going to start calling people out and dropping names. As I said if you know you know. You can believe what you want but recreational cocaine and Molly use is rife in the AFL.

 

[tombomb]

Nightclub bouncers? lol it doesn’t work like that, it’s not an episode of underbelly.
Im not going to start calling people out and dropping names. As I said if you know you know. You can believe what you want but recreational cocaine and Molly use is rife in the AFL.

I'm not asking you to drop names, just some evidence to back up your claim that the majority of the players at our club are on drugs.

'If you know, you know' is not evidence.

 

[McRobie]

I'm not asking you to drop names, just some evidence to back up your claim that the majority of the players at our club are on drugs.

'If you know, you know' is not evidence.

Knowing people involved at the club including players. No idea what more you want outside of naming names. As I said live in fantasy land if you like and believe they are all angels. Not that doing some blow is a problem, I mean go for it for all I care.

 

[tombomb]

Knowing people involved at the club including players. No idea what more you want outside of naming names. As I said live in fantasy land if you like and believe they are all angels. Not that doing some blow is a problem, I mean go for it for all I care.

I don't believe all our players are angels. I also don't just believe things with no actual evidence.

If you know the majority of our players are on drugs, there would have to be some evidence for that.

You were out and saw them all doing it.

You either work for the AFL or know someone who does who sees the testing results.

Or as you have just said you know some of the players, and I assume they have told you. That would be evidence.

 

[JackHiscoxWasFast]

I take it that you went to every Taylor Swift concert.

Every day I pray we have recruited Taylor the Swift

 

[caesar88]

If true, then it is proof that even the best clubs need to be saved from themselves sometimes

(Also note the drive-by from Ralph. This point could've been made without mentioning our unsuccessful attempts at recruiting him LOL. **** him.)

 

[Callipygian]

If true, then it is proof that even the best clubs need to be saved from themselves sometimes

(Also note the drive-by from Ralph. This point could've been made without mentioning our unsuccessful attempts at recruiting him LOL. **** him.)

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad we had a go at Larkey. Would have been a wonderful addition. Not surprising that NMFC was able to match and it's not easy to lure a player interstate, even if our club is vastly superior!

 

[caesar88]

 

[Dubai Quacker]

If true, then it is proof that even the best clubs need to be saved from themselves sometimes

(Also note the drive-by from Ralph. This point could've been made without mentioning our unsuccessful attempts at recruiting him LOL. **** him.)

If true, I’m worried about the club’s confidence re: Logan’s signature.

 

[caesar88]

If true, I’m worried about the club’s confidence re: Logan’s signature.

That, or the club's confidence in Amartey & McLean.

FWIW I think of the main out of contract players this year, I think they'll go as follows:

Gulden - stays
Rowbottom - stays
McDonald - stays
Florent - goes
Hayward - stays

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

That, or the club's confidence in Amartey & McLean.

FWIW I think of the main out of contract players this year, I think they'll go as follows:

Gulden - stays
Rowbottom - stays
McDonald - stays
Florent - goes
Hayward - stays

Is it time yet to knock on the door of the Ticky009 nightmare - the 2024 edition of the Trade and Draft Thread?

 

[caesar88]

Is it time yet to knock on the door of the Ticky009 nightmare - the 2024 edition of the Trade and Draft Thread?

Ticky's pretty friendly when you knock on her door, until you ask about the Trade & Draft Thread prematurely, and then it's

 

[McRobie]

I don't believe all our players are angels. I also don't just believe things with no actual evidence.

If you know the majority of our players are on drugs, there would have to be some evidence for that.

You were out and saw them all doing it.

You either work for the AFL or know someone who does who sees the testing results.

Or as you have just said you know some of the players, and I assume they have told you. That would be evidence.

Yes that would he evidence.