Potential Draftee Watch - Version 2008

[Redemptionin09]

I would dare say that Siba would be gone by our pick in the rookie draft. I think he will possibly go somewhere in the PSD.

I'm not sure on the age restrictions but the three I would like to see us get would be:

Gugliotta - Tall running player. Adam Goodes type in the way that he is an oversized midfielder. Can also play off half back. Maybe we could mould him into a key def.

Luke Thompson - rate this kid VERY VERY highly. 6ft 4 local falcon who was stiff not to get drafted. He played on a wing this year, but also played at CHF and in the ruck. Would be amazing to see him being an attacking wingman who can push forward and strech defences.

Aaron Varcoe - Coming off a knee reco. With out last "live" pick I think he will be here.

He's related to Trav isn't he? and btw I thought his name was Adam

 

[rizzo]

He's related to Trav isn't he? and btw I thought his name was Adam

Adam, Aaron.... same thing He is Trav's bro.

 

[Redemptionin09]

Adam, Aaron.... same thing He is Trav's bro.

Yeah well I'd like to see him on our list anyway as well.

 

[Turbocat]

Luke Thompson - rate this kid VERY VERY highly. 6ft 4 local falcon who was stiff not to get drafted. He played on a wing this year, but also played at CHF and in the ruck. Would be amazing to see him being an attacking wingman who can push forward and strech defences.

This kid sound good Rizzo. Question

When was the last time the Cats had a National Draft / Rookie Draft without drafting a Falcon? It would be a while I would have thought. Who were the other Falcons that mad the Vic country team?

The other thing the Cats have done a bit in the past is the Rookie recycle. They probably won't do it this year with GC17 not far away but its an option

 

[rizzo]

This kid sound good Rizzo. Question

When was the last time the Cats had a National Draft / Rookie Draft without drafting a Falcon? It would be a while I would have thought. Who were the other Falcons that mad the Vic country team?

The other thing the Cats have done a bit in the past is the Rookie recycle. They probably won't do it this year with GC17 not far away but its an option

It would have been a while thats for sure.

There are a couple that didnt get drafted this year.

Alan Christiansen - He is to young, will be top 10 next year. Mark my words. Absolute freak.

Sam Hughes - Lightning Wingman / Half Forward

Lucas Boyd - Don't think he is a chance

Tom Simpkin - Good defender. A reasonable chance of getting drafted.

Ben Cunnington - Not sure if he is eligble. And TBH, don't know much about him.

Luke Thompson - As mention rated very very highly.

Also, Zacc Leddin and Chris Lynch from the Falcons are also possibilities

 

[year of the cat]

Wouldn't mind us giving Luke Stanton a rookie spot. Saw him at the U18 champs and was relatively impressed with his ability to find the ball and make good decisions of half back/wing. Mature body and a good height. Adequate athleticism too. Don't know how much upside he has but may be worth a shot.

 

[moond0g]

Of course any kid we pick up in the rookie draft is probably going to have some significant areas for improvement, otherwise they would have been picked up in the main draft. The real questions are how important those areas are, and how fixable they are.

My view is that disposal is an increasingly important part of the game, and notoriously difficult to fix. Tenace is one example, how about poor old Matty McCarthy? Its probably also the reason Chris Kangars is no longer at the club. There are plenty of them. Also worth bearing in mind that we've lost one of our best in this area in Prismall and picked up yet another one with serious question marks in Taylor Hunt.

I'm not saying that we should never rookie players who need to work on their disposal skills, but I am saying that we should think carefully before doing so because they are tough to fix and we have plenty of players already who need to work on them.



Thats silly reasoning. Who cares what pick they were drafted - surely that has absolutely no bearing on whether they are similar players or not.

So then we can't compare Dean Cox to any player taken in the National Draft, because he was originally a rookie?

ok all i'm saying is that for people to say lets not pick this kid up because he has some issues with his kicking is a bit unfair imo, anyone that got overlooked in the ND will have some obvious deficincies that they need to improve on otherwise they would have got drafted as simple as that. now i agree that disposal is more important now that it ussed to be and you cant get away with dodgey kicking like you might have been able to in the past but if most other areas of his game are good then why not give him a shot and tell him to work flat out on that one area of his game, you never know i'm sure he would have never been in an afl environment before, this may be the catalyst he needs.

now look at our recent rookie draft selections and i think its fair to say that none have had any real impact at all. all rookies over the last 5 years have been delisted from memory, othe than lonergan but thats a different story. so at worst we draft him he doesnt improve, he gets delisted in a year or two then we move on, havent really lost anything because he was only a rookie anyway.

but at best we pick him up and he does improve his kicking skills, this way he get somone that might have gone top 40 except for some issues with his disposal but we get him for peanuts because it was only a rookie spot.

all i say is that to me its a win win situation, assuming that the likes of rockliff, sibsado, sheanan, klemke ect are all gone then really why not give him a go. at worst we lose nothing at best we win a good player and have only used a rooike pick on him.


now onto tenace, i wasnt trying to say they werent similar in style, to me in that sense they are very similar. what i was trying to say is that people expect a lot more out of a top ten pick than someone picked in the rookie draft, which is uunderstandable.

yes there have been some good players to com from the rookie list, dean cox is one, ben rutten, aaron davey, brett kirk and out own max rooke are others. BUT the vast majority of rookie selections are let go within 3 years and we never hear of them again.

so yes i think when a player is selected has a big deal to how we rate them, number one picks are expected to be very good players, where as rookies while you hope that they will turn into good players cant all be expected to be quality players. so if jack watts turns into an average afl player that playes 50 odd games then i think its fair to say melbourne didnt do very well out of that selection, just as we might not have done that well out of tenace at 7. where as if matt deboer plays 50 afl games you have done very well.

 

[rizzo]

I just saw in the addy they metioned we had 3 picks. Should be an intersting rookie draft

 

[vinum coupe]

Just reading this thread from the start.
Lots of great input.

Excellent work Rizzo.

And I just wondered how much this hurt?

In regards to Davis

To injured to really be considered. Had some dodgy shoulders this year which meant he couldn't really play or be tested. I'd find it hard given the importance of this draft for a club to seriously pick him up. He may be a late draft prospect, Def a rookie list prospect. But I just couldn't fit him in there.


If he goes top 20 with what I have written above, I will eat my balls.

 

[rizzo]

Just reading this thread from the start.
Lots of great input.

Excellent work Rizzo.

And I just wondered how much this hurt?

In regards to Davis

Thanks VC

It killed, feels different now im a gelding.

 

[vinum coupe]

Lets take cuz in the rookie draft and let him tear them apart in the VFL

Any chance Egan will retire before 3pm today?
Today is the cut off isnt it?

 

[moond0g]

Lets take cuz in the rookie draft and let him tear them apart in the VFL

Any chance Egan will retire before 3pm today?
Today is the cut off isnt it?

i thought this before the 2nd list lodgement before the national draft. all the news about how his foot wasnt healing came out like 2 days before lists needed to be finalised. just thought it seemed like the timing of the story meant there was a reason for it.

i was wrong though, dont see this happening though, we would only get another pick in the rookie draft or psd, not really worth it imo.

 

[Pivo]

What are your thoughts on Mitch Brown?

Top f**king get!!

Page Ten - you called it very early.

 

[proboy]

Took a while for a reply!!!!! LOL

 

[moond0g]

yeah only a few months lol.

anyone got any thoughts on the permission to train list on the afl site today, along with west coast we are the only ones that havent invited anybody. means i have pretty much no idea who we are looking at in the rookie draft.

 

[rizzo]

Ill give this phantom a shot as well. Expecting 0/28 haha.

PRE-SEASON DRAFT
1 Melbourne – Robin Nahas
2 Port Adelaide Josh Carr
3 Essendon – Hayden Skipworth
4 Carlton - Chris Johnson
5 Brisbane - Matthew DeBoer
6 Richmond - Kade Klemke

ROOKIE DRAFT
1 Melbourne – Tom Rockcliff
2 West Coast – Ian Richardson
3 Fremantle – Greg Broughton
4 Port Adelaide – Lance Daly
5 Essendon – Jarryd Blair
6 Carlton – Clancyee Pearce
7 Brisbane – Casey Sibasadio
8 Richmond – Tom German
9 North Melbourne – Adam Cockie
10 Adelaide – Michael Gugliotta
11 Collingwood – Steve Geatener
12 Sydney – Jay Shannon
13 Western Bulldogs – Taylor Gilchrist
14 St Kilda – Alex Stopp
15 Geelong – Adam Varcoe
16 Hawthorn – Tom Allwright
Local Draft

Local Brisbane Joel Smouha
Local Brisbane David Hill
Local Brisbane Justin Myers
Local Sydney Mitchell Fraill
Local Sydney Luke Breust
Local Sydney Brodie A’vard

 

[year of the cat]

Rizzo give me three names that we should be looking at tomorrow. Is Varcoe (if he is a similar type to Travis) really worth picking up?

 

[rizzo]

Rizzo give me three names that we should be looking at tomorrow. Is Varcoe (if he is a similar type to Travis) really worth picking up?

Varcoe is very similar to his brother (Trav), however I see adam as more of a goal kicking type. Travis I feel will be more suited to the midfield. Worth picking up as a rookie for sure.

With our next pick I think we will take a local in Luke Thompson. I'm not sure if he is eligible or what, but I just love the way he plays. He is a tall (192cm) dashing wingman. I think he could trouble people when he pushes forward. We could even mould him into a nice dashing key defender. If he doesn't go this year will be a 2nd rounder next year.

With out last... It is so hard to guess, I'm not sure if he is a smokey but he is one that so far has slipped right under the radar. His name is Andrew Duahu (Or something close). Im working of memory here, but he has only 1 year TAC cup experience and came runner up in the Calder Cannons B&F. Solid midfielder type, tackles, runs, your typical player. He is the type that you can rely on to give his gut when the cards are down.


A few more names that come to my mind:
Jonathan Beech
Bryn Weadon
Reece Adams
Zac Ledin
Corey Dellilo
Scott Blessing
Mitch Friall
Joseph Daye
Sam Hughes
Zac Sengstock

 

[moond0g]

Varcoe is very similar to his brother (Trav), however I see adam as more of a goal kicking type. Travis I feel will be more suited to the midfield. Worth picking up as a rookie for sure.

With our next pick I think we will take a local in Luke Thompson. I'm not sure if he is eligible or what, but I just love the way he plays. He is a tall (192cm) dashing wingman. I think he could trouble people when he pushes forward. We could even mould him into a nice dashing key defender. If he doesn't go this year will be a 2nd rounder next year.

With out last... It is so hard to guess, I'm not sure if he is a smokey but he is one that so far has slipped right under the radar. His name is Andrew Duahu (Or something close). Im working of memory here, but he has only 1 year TAC cup experience and came runner up in the Calder Cannons B&F. Solid midfielder type, tackles, runs, your typical player. He is the type that you can rely on to give his gut when the cards are down.


A few more names that come to my mind:
Jonathan Beech
Bryn Weadon
Reece Adams
Zac Ledin
Corey Dellilo
Scott Blessing
Mitch Friall
Joseph Daye
Sam Hughes
Zac Sengstock

seen him play a lot and i hope geelong do pick him up

 

[year of the cat]

Pretty sure Luke Thompson, being bottom-aged, is not eligible. What about Simpkin? Do you rate him? Thought he may be considered being a local boy.

 

[rizzo]

Pretty sure Luke Thompson, being bottom-aged, is not eligible. What about Simpkin? Do you rate him? Thought he may be considered being a local boy.

Rate Simpkin highly. Think he will be a very solid KPP in the future. Shattered about Thompson. Next year we will really see him emerge as a player I think.

 

[Turbocat]

Varcoe is very similar to his brother (Trav), however I see adam as more of a goal kicking type. Travis I feel will be more suited to the midfield. Worth picking up as a rookie for sure.

Rizzo , if he is similar to his brother, how exactly is he more of a goal kicking type?

I feel I would be frustrated if was I Trav's coach. He has obvious talent, has adequate speed , he is nice setshot , more than average on the run yet he lacks conviction to use it.What did he kick last year 4 or 5 goals? He may well gradually gain the confidence required to take it on , to as hard as he needs to get more of the ball but he really is a non productive member of the team far to often. Sure there's tackling pressure but I think we need more than that.

My question is therefore , if the kid is like Trav , do we really need another? Is he really the right player for us or is it just a "keep it in the family" pick?
I would have no gripe at all with the pick of Junior Varcoe if he really is a goal kicker I just don't want another long term kid with skills to burn but with no confidence to light the fire.

 

[rizzo]

Rizzo , if he is similar to his brother, how exactly is he more of a goal kicking type?

I feel I would be frustrated if was I Trav's coach. He has obvious talent, has adequate speed , he is nice setshot , more than average on the run yet he lacks conviction to use it.What did he kick last year 4 or 5 goals? He may well gradually gain the confidence required to take it on , to as hard as he needs to get more of the ball but he really is a non productive member of the team far to often. Sure there's tackling pressure but I think we need more than that.

My question is therefore , if the kid is like Trav , do we really need another? Is he really the right player for us or is it just a "keep it in the family" pick?
I would have no gripe at all with the pick of Junior Varcoe if he really is a goal kicker I just don't want another long term kid with skills to burn but with no confidence to light the fire.

I meant he is similar in the way the he moves, and is pretty freaky around goal. I see Adam as a more genuine goal kicker type. I think Trav will evolve to a flashy outside midfielder.

Although you do raise very valid points. From what I have seen Adam backs his skills a bit more. He is a couple years away from it though, but I think he will always be that "light" type of player.

I can see where your coming from Turbo, but you can also ask can you ever have enough of these players? This type of player are true big game players, and can turn nothing into something.

With the way we are going we can afford to take a few risks. But between you and me a forward line of:

Steve J - Scott Simpson - Chapman
Motlop - Hawkins - A. Varcoe

Looks brilliant.

 

[rizzo]

Varcoe is very similar to his brother (Trav), however I see adam as more of a goal kicking type. Travis I feel will be more suited to the midfield. Worth picking up as a rookie for sure.


A few more names that come to my mind:
Jonathan Beech
Bryn Weadon
Reece Adams
Zac Ledin
Corey Dellilo
Scott Blessing
Mitch Friall
Joseph Daye
Sam Hughes
Zac Sengstock

Ill give this phantom a shot as well. Expecting 0/28 haha.

PRE-SEASON DRAFT
1 Melbourne – Robin Nahas
2 Port Adelaide Josh Carr
3 Essendon – Hayden Skipworth
4 Carlton - Chris Johnson
5 Brisbane - Matthew DeBoer
6 Richmond - Kade Klemke

ROOKIE DRAFT
1 Melbourne – Tom Rockcliff
2 West Coast – Ian Richardson
3 Fremantle – Greg Broughton - Same Club predicted
4 Port Adelaide – Lance Daly
5 Essendon – Jarryd Blair
6 Carlton – Clancyee Pearce
7 Brisbane – Casey Sibasadio
8 Richmond – Tom German
9 North Melbourne – Adam Cockie
10 Adelaide – Michael Gugliotta
11 Collingwood – Steve Geatener
12 Sydney – Jay Shannon
13 Western Bulldogs – Taylor Gilchrist
14 St Kilda – Alex Stopp
15 Geelong – Adam Varcoe
16 Hawthorn – Tom Allwright
Local Draft

Local Brisbane Joel Smouha
Local Brisbane David Hill
Local Brisbane Justin Myers
Local Sydney Mitchell Fraill
Local Sydney Luke Breust
Local Sydney Brodie A’vard

Not bad, still don't know which local players have been taken yet.

 

[Redemptionin09]

I meant he is similar in the way the he moves, and is pretty freaky around goal. I see Adam as a more genuine goal kicker type. I think Trav will evolve to a flashy outside midfielder.

Although you do raise very valid points. From what I have seen Adam backs his skills a bit more. He is a couple years away from it though, but I think he will always be that "light" type of player.

I can see where your coming from Turbo, but you can also ask can you ever have enough of these players? This type of player are true big game players, and can turn nothing into something.

With the way we are going we can afford to take a few risks. But between you and me a forward line of:

Steve J - Scott Simpson - Chapman
Motlop - Hawkins - A. Varcoe

Looks brilliant.

circa 2012..drool