Premiership Clock

[Hawks42011]

Where do you think each of the 17 teams are on the premiership clock?


23:59 = Premiership window open 2011

23:00 = Premiership window opening 2011/12

22:00 = Premiership window opening 2012

21:00 = Premiership window opening 2012/13

20:00 = Premiership window opening 2013


etc.

00:00 = Premiership window closing

00:01 = Premiership window closed for 2011, uncertain when next premiership will be

02:00 = Premiership window closed for 2010/11, uncertain when next premiership will be

04:00 = Premiership window closed for 2009-11, uncertain when next premiership will be

if a team is more than 6 years away, or they haven't been in the premiership window for more than 6 years, put them at 12:00

Mine:


23:59 = Collingwood

23:00 = Fremantle, Hawthorn

21:00 = Carlton

20:00 = Adelaide

19:00 = Melbourne, North Melbourne, Sydney

17:00 = Essendon, Gold Coast, Port Adelaide,

16:00 = Richmond, West Coast

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00:00 = Geelong, St Kilda , Western Bulldogs

12:00 = Brisbane

 

[rose jam]

Personally I don't see Hawthorn anywhere near it. Like a few of the recent premiers they won their flag with a unique game plan and players having out of the box career best seasons.
Their game plan has been completely dismantled and their players will never reach those heights again coupled with some real weaknesses in the middle and down back. I'd have them more like 7:00pm.

 

[the distributer]

I think with the young age of our list we should be genuine contenders for the next 3 years.

 

[Kipz]

Brisbane has hit the snooze button

 

[greatgatsby]

We have a young, talented list and unlimited hunger. Our premiership window is open 2011 through 2016

 

[mattys123]

23.59 - Collingwood, Stkilda (Stkilda haven't lost anyone of "value")

23.00 - Fremantle (ready to challenge if everything goes right)

22.00 - Adelaide, Hawthorn (both need one more season to develop further)

20.00 - Melbourne, North Melbourne (North have a lot of young talent, and a better coach then Melbourne)

19.00 - Gold Coast (With that list, it may even be one year earlier)

18.00 - GWS (They will obviously only be one year behind GC)

17.00 - Sydney, WCE, Richmond, Port Adelaide

15.00 - Essendon (Worst midfield in the comp, has to be totally rebuilt)

1.00 - Geelong (Small chance they could have one last crack at it)

12.00 - Brisbane, Western Bulldogs, Carlton (No chance of winning a flag withing the next 6 years, any of them)

Take it as you will, the Carlton rating will get the most criticism, but hey, they rely on Judd so much, and he will slowly deteriorate after 2011, and they don't have a champion to replace him.

 

[The Bomb]

Safe to say Dogs are going going Gawn!

 

[Blues_Man]

23.59 - Collingwood, Stkilda (Stkilda haven't lost anyone of "value")

23.00 - Fremantle (ready to challenge if everything goes right)

22.00 - Adelaide, Hawthorn (both need one more season to develop further)

20.00 - Melbourne, North Melbourne (North have a lot of young talent, and a better coach then Melbourne)

19.00 - Gold Coast (With that list, it may even be one year earlier)

18.00 - GWS (They will obviously only be one year behind GC)

17.00 - Sydney, WCE, Richmond, Port Adelaide

15.00 - Essendon (Worst midfield in the comp, has to be totally rebuilt)

1.00 - Geelong (Small chance they could have one last crack at it)

12.00 - Brisbane, Western Bulldogs, Carlton (No chance of winning a flag withing the next 6 years, any of them)

Take it as you will, the Carlton rating will get the most criticism, but hey, they rely on Judd so much, and he will slowly deteriorate after 2011, and they don't have a champion to replace him.

Why would we criticize you ...you are of obvious limited intelligence ...so to do so would be just adding salt to an otherwise sad affliction .

But just for the record only a moron would say that Carlton have no realistic chance at a premiership within the next 6 years .

 

[The Bomb]

All u teams out there better hang on.
THE BOMBERS ARE BACK!

 

[matey]

Some Collingwood supporters have short memories. Hawks after winning in 2008 had the youngest list in 2009 but there game plan was dissected and basically broken down by the opposition over summer.

Don't think you can continue to have this game plan where you choke the opposition and then move it down the boundry line to attack forever. Just on this it was not pretty to watch.

There are a few teams that if they get there game plan right they can win it and Hawks are in that group.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Why would we criticize you ...you are of obvious limited intelligence ...so to do so would be just adding salt to an otherwise sad affliction .

But just for the record only a moron would say that Carlton have no realistic chance at a premiership within the next 6 years .

It's too hard to tell 6 years into the future for any side. I know Carlton won't win it in 2011 and 2012, but beyond that you can not say with any great confidence.

 

[RobV]

Some Collingwood supporters have short memories. Hawks after winning in 2008 had the youngest list in 2009 but there game plan was dissected and basically broken down by the opposition over summer.

/snip

Hawthorn also lost a number of premiership players like Dew, Croad, Crawford just to name a few, Collingwood do not have that issue, all of the 22(23) premiership players are still on the list. We have lost depth, but nothing that can't be replaced by our rising stars.

Our younger premiership players in Sidebottom, Blair, Beams, Wellers (I could keep going but there is too much to name) all have improvement left in them, we also have a number of non premiership players that will improve us such as Tarrant, Krakour and Dick.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

23.59 - Collingwood
(Will win another flag in the next two seasons)

23:30 - Stkilda
(Same squad, do they have the drive to go again?)

22.30 - Fremantle
(Quality Seniors backed up by exciting kids who add finishing skills and potency, will only improve against those above on this list).

21.00 - Adelaide, Sydney
(Both are under rated, Collingwood only need fall of a little and these two IMO have the capacity to capitalize. Both are good enough to muscle Fremantle at their best.)

20.00 - Melbourne, Gold Coast
(Depth of quality youth are greater than others and make them all but a sure thing to compete in a few years).

19.00 - Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs
(Two middle of the road sides perhaps at different stages, Hawthorn lack the genuine top end talent through their list to go with other sides, they can however build towards another premiership if they make some good moves at the trade/ draft table over the next two seasons. North just need to keep on improving).

18.00 - GWS, Carlton, .
(GWS have greater challengers than the GC, not a massive fan of Carltons list.)

17.00 - WCE, Richmond, Port Adelaide
(All three have some time to finish building competitive lists, Richmond and Westcoast are two of the youngest lists in the competition and that won't change, Port could go either way they could spend some more time building their list and be real threat or they could rise too early)

15.00 - Essendon.
(Agree with others, they have poor midfield that throws them down the rankings, could change with some high quality recruiting.)

1.00 - Geelong
(I think they are past it, for a few years. Perhaps it's wishful thinking.

12.00 - Brisbane
(Needs to rebuild, has some quality youth and they should start with that and build towards that fourth premiership.)

 

[Bosk]

You'd get a very different response out of me if this was Bay13, but as it's the main board I'll attempt to be serious.


Personally I think there are a LOT of teams who are at 23:59 right now.

The competition is incredibly even, there are numerous sides with enough finals experience to go all the way and in the end it will probably come down to who has the best run with injuries and a healthy dose of luck.


It wouldn't really surprise me if any of the following teams walked away with the trophy this year:

Collingwood, Geelong, St.Kilda, Bulldogs, Fremantle, Hawthorn.

 

[Bosk]

23.59 - Collingwood
(Will win another flag in the next two seasons)

23:30 - Stkilda
(Same squad, do they have the drive to go again?)

22.30 - Fremantle
(Quality Seniors backed up by exciting kids who add finishing skills and potency, will only improve against those above on this list).

21.00 - Adelaide, Sydney
(Both are under rated, Collingwood only need fall of a little and these two IMO have the capacity to capitalize. Both are good enough to muscle Fremantle at their best.)

20.00 - Melbourne, Gold Coast
(Depth of quality youth are greater than others and make them all but a sure thing to compete in a few years).

19.00 - Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Western Bulldogs
(Two middle of the road sides perhaps at different stages, Hawthorn lack the genuine top end talent through their list to go with other sides, they can however build towards another premiership if they make some good moves at the trade/ draft table over the next two seasons. North just need to keep on improving).

18.00 - GWS, Carlton, .
(GWS have greater challengers than the GC, not a massive fan of Carltons list.)

17.00 - WCE, Richmond, Port Adelaide
(All three have some time to finish building competitive lists, Richmond and Westcoast are two of the youngest lists in the competition and that won't change, Port could go either way they could spend some more time building their list and be real threat or they could rise too early)

15.00 - Essendon.
(Agree with others, they have poor midfield that throws them down the rankings, could change with some high quality recruiting.)

1.00 - Geelong
(I think they are past it, for a few years. Perhaps it's wishful thinking.

12.00 - Brisbane
(Needs to rebuild, has some quality youth and they should start with that and build towards that fourth premiership.)

Geelong ranked lower than Essendon?
GWS (a team that does not even exist) higher than half the competition?

No offense, but either that list is meant to be a joke or you know nothing about football.

 

[The Bomb]

Will this ever change for the Demons?

 

[The Bomb]

After Essendon and Gold Coast finished with them

 

[The Bomb]

Oh how the mighty lions have fallen.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Given our age, the coaching situation, and barring anything drastic happening, I'd say it's more accurate to put Collingwood at 23:00.

It's not like we'll be an old hack side come 2012, and we'll have a new coach bringing new ideas, new strategies which will hopefully rejuvenate most of the players who will want to play to stay in the side.

 

[KissStephanie]

Some Collingwood supporters have short memories. Hawks after winning in 2008 had the youngest list in 2009 but there game plan was dissected and basically broken down by the opposition over summer.

I don't see any similarity between Hawthorn of 2008 and Collingwood of 2010. The Collingwood team was better and has not lost any premiership players, and I'm sure that Malthouse won't stand still and wait for other clubs to catch up like Clarkson did in 2009.

Hawthorn on the other hand were not the best team of 2008, and they weren't favourites to win the premiership at the beginning of 2009 either. They immediately lost Crawford, Croad, and Campbell, and then Dew retired not long after. They still haven't been able to replace those players.

 

[tazhawk]

I don't see any similarity between Hawthorn of 2008 and Collingwood of 2010. The Collingwood team was better.

Hawthorn on the other hand were not the best team of 2008.

In your opinion the Hawks of 08 were not better than Collingwood of 10, my opinion differs.

The Hawks finished season 08 with a 20 win 5 loss season, finished 2nd on the ladder after the home and away season.
Then went on to smash the teams that finished 3rd and 4th by 10 goals in the Finals. They then went on to beat Geelong in the GF.

Anyone that knows anything about Hawks V Geelong Finals history knew that the Hawks were going to beat Geelong in the GF.

So indeed the Hawks were the best team in 08 because they have the premiership cup to prove it.

WCE were the dominant side in the 1991 home and away season but the Hawks smashed them both times in the Finals.

Its winning the Premiership that counts not winning the most home and away matches. IMO the Hawks 08 team would have beaten Collingwood 2010 team by 5 or 6 goals.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Its winning the Premiership that counts not winning the most home and away matches. IMO the Hawks 08 team would have beaten Collingwood 2010 team by 5 or 6 goals.

It's nice to have opinions.

Luckily our competition doesn't work around those. Because last I checked Hawthorn 2010 didn't win the premiership. Collingwood 2010 did. So I'm not sure what revisionist history achieves aside from making yourself feel better about supporting Hawthorn.

 

[KissStephanie]

In your opinion the Hawks of 08 were not better than Collingwood of 10, my opinion differs.

I don't think it's just my opinion. I tend to agree with this rating of the premiership teams since 1897 where Collingwood of 2010 is 26th, and Hawthorn of 2008 is 56th.

The Hawks finished season 08 with a 20 win 5 loss season, finished 2nd on the ladder after the home and away season. Then went on to smash the teams that finished 3rd and 4th by 10 goals in the Finals. They then went on to beat Geelong in the GF.

Yes they were a good team in 2008, but Geelong were the best team that year, and I think they beat themselves in the Grand Final as much as Hawthorn won it. Collingwood won 20 matches and lost 4 for the season and finished on top and their percentage was 10% better. They also thrashed each of the other three top-4 teams in the finals.

Anyone that knows anything about Hawks V Geelong Finals history knew that the Hawks were going to beat Geelong in the GF.

I tipped Hawthorn to win that Grand Final because I had a gut feeling that Geelong may have an off day, and they did.

So indeed the Hawks were the best team in 08 because they have the premiership cup to prove it.

I think Geelong were the best team in 2008, despite that premiership cup that Hawthorn won. I also think St.Kilda were the best team of 2009 even though Geelong won the premiership.

WCE were the dominant side in the 1991 home and away season but the Hawks smashed them both times in the Finals.

Well the Qualifying Final wasn't a thrashing, but it was a good win, but I'm not sure what it has to do with this.

Its winning the Premiership that counts not winning the most home and away matches.

Of course winning the premiership is what counts. I've never said otherwise. Geelong were the best team of 2008 still though, and they paid the price for having a bad day in the Grand Final. Credit to Hawthorn for stealing that premiership though, and it was the last time they beat Geelong in the two seasons since then.

IMO the Hawks 08 team would have beaten Collingwood 2010 team by 5 or 6 goals.

Well considering Collingwood had a greater percentage and finished on top of the ladder last year, then I have no idea how you have come to that conclusion, or how it can be proven.

 

[benhawk]

I don't see any similarity between Hawthorn of 2008 and Collingwood of 2010. The Collingwood team was better and has not lost any premiership players, and I'm sure that Malthouse won't stand still and wait for other clubs to catch up like Clarkson did in 2009.

Hawthorn on the other hand were not the best team of 2008, and they weren't favourites to win the premiership at the beginning of 2009 either. They immediately lost Crawford, Croad, and Campbell, and then Dew retired not long after. They still haven't been able to replace those players.

Hawthorn and Geelong were equal premiership favourites at the beginning of 2009.

 

[HFF]

Brisbane has hit the snooze button

lol, quality call.