Princes Park to get a facelift

[Andyt30]

on national Nine news Princes Park is to get a Major Face lift, showed a plan on the news what their going to do let it be the best training facility in Melbourne bulldozing some of the grandstands and building some new community building

 

[AndyWalkersGirl]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=292674&page=2

just somem interesting commetns. where is our club going> are we going forward or are we gettin gdeeper in this hole?


(apologies for bad typing my hand is bandaged as it got burnt,)

 

[darren waitee]

Hi all
Surprise surprise on the day that the annual report is released we announce a major development yet again the smoke and mirrors show continue with the Smorgan group
Would this to hide the fact that Carltons debt has grown from last year
The promise to raise 1,000,000 dollors thur sponsorship in 8 to 10 weeks is another smokescreen
Do the maths people
It would take 40 thats right 40 companies willing to put in $25000.00 to reach a million
If this is the case and can be done and I think we all know what a load of crap this is why hasnt this been done before by the Smorgon group as they have been in power for over three years
And what of the condition that Smorgon Wilson and Rose be on the board of the investment company
Further proof that Smorgon Wilson Rose Gleeson and crew must not be allowed to continue to run this club
Stand up now members otherwise the future of the Carlton football club will suffer

time to go Smorgon

 

[Bluebear]

Hi all
Surprise surprise on the day that the annual report is released we announce a major development yet again the smoke and mirrors show continue with the Smorgan group
Would this to hide the fact that Carltons debt has grown from last year
The promise to raise 1,000,000 dollors thur sponsorship in 8 to 10 weeks is another smokescreen
Do the maths people
It would take 40 thats right 40 companies willing to put in $25000.00 to reach a million
If this is the case and can be done and I think we all know what a load of crap this is why hasnt this been done before by the Smorgon group as they have been in power for over three years
And what of the condition that Smorgon Wilson and Rose be on the board of the investment company
Further proof that Smorgon Wilson Rose Gleeson and crew must not be allowed to continue to run this club
Stand up now members otherwise the future of the Carlton football club will suffer

time to go Smorgon

So whats the big deal here........I read even Diggins is in support of the plans......just wonders about some hurdles to be overcome.......THATS WHY ITS CALLED A PROPOSAL!!!!!!!

So we are shooting Smorgon for ???? the timing???? for wanting us to have elite facilities?
Sorry, apart from the cynicism of the timing (this is politics after all) what exactly have I missed about how horrible this is?

 

[mediumsizered]

So whats the big deal here........I read even Diggins is in support of the plans......just wonders about some hurdles to be overcome.......THATS WHY ITS CALLED A PROPOSAL!!!!!!!

So we are shooting Smorgon for ???? the timing???? for wanting us to have elite facilities?
Sorry, apart from the cynicism of the timing (this is politics after all) what exactly have I missed about how horrible this is?

You have to understand this is the last thing the anti-Smorgonites wanted to hear just prior to the board election. The thought of us having a facility to rival Lexus Centre does not fit in with their campaign to remove Smorgon. It is an absolute 'spanner in the works' for those who want to elect some lightweight puppets to the board, to be manipulated as these faceless people see fit. Smorgon has trumped the opposition again. Surely these people should realise they are fighting way above their weight division.

 

[drusswaylander]

Very frightening proposition

Great if they can pull it off, possibly calamitous if it fails.

Considering I have been advocating the need to establish non-football dependent revenue streams I guess I can't disagree with the principle.

It would make up a lot of ground we have lost on Collingwood and Essendon in the expansion of revenue streams during the last decade. We wouldn't even need a white knight to hasten the process

We probably need a few more details, but if it is actually viable it would be brilliant.

Still scares the hell out of me though

 

[gandaal]

From what I can tell Stage 2 has very little to do with the Carlton football Club directly. The only involvement the club has directly in it is our ownership of the lease, which is the way you would want it given our current financial situation.

 

[drusswaylander]

From what I can tell Stage 2 has very little to do with the Carlton football Club directly. The only involvement the club has directly in it is our ownership of the lease, which is the way you would want it given our current financial situation.

Okay my bad Strange thing to hang your re-election campaign on then if it has little to do with CFC?

I thought it was intended to generate a lump sum for us and also have the the abilty to bring some revenue streams on-line, as well as upgrade the facility?

 

[gandaal]

Okay my bad Strange thing to hang your re-election campaign on then if it has little to do with CFC?

I thought it was intended to generate a lump sum for us and also have the the abilty to bring some revenue streams on-line, as well as upgrade the facility?

Stage 1, the facility upgrade, is funded and will be started some time next year, or maybe late this year. That already includes the SOTA training facilities, the medical center and office rebuilding.

Stage 2 adds to that upgrade in a dramatic way, which would clearly add to the value of stage 1 and the club as a whole. Also as the lease holder on Princes Park we would obviously be a major beneficiary of the project... kind of like the land lord I assume.

 

[drusswaylander]

Stage 1, the facility upgrade, is funded and will be started some time next year, or maybe late this year. That already includes the SOTA training facilities, the medical center and office rebuilding.

Stage 2 adds to that upgrade in a dramatic way, which would clearly add to the value of stage 1 and the club as a whole. Also as the lease holder on Princes Park we would obviously be a major beneficiary of the project... kind of like the land lord I assume.

Okay so it is a non-football related revenue raiser then
Although if it is a landlord situation then we are at risk if we don't sell all the space?

If that is the case great if it works, still frightening though, but as they say no risk no gain.

 

[Silvagnis]

Pork barrel.

 

[blues4flag]

Good news in a sense that we're looking for new revenue streams, but if it goes wrong than it could be a horrible outcome. Still, if it's successful it could pay off in a big way.

 

[audas]

This was announced a couple of weeks ago.

And this

darren waitee Hi all
Surprise surprise on the day that the annual report is released we announce a major development yet again the smoke and mirrors show continue with the Smorgan group
Would this to hide the fact that Carltons debt has grown from last year
The promise to raise 1,000,000 dollors thur sponsorship in 8 to 10 weeks is another smokescreen
Do the maths people
It would take 40 thats right 40 companies willing to put in $25000.00 to reach a million
If this is the case and can be done and I think we all know what a load of crap this is why hasnt this been done before by the Smorgon group as they have been in power for over three years
And what of the condition that Smorgon Wilson and Rose be on the board of the investment company
Further proof that Smorgon Wilson Rose Gleeson and crew must not be allowed to continue to run this club
Stand up now members otherwise the future of the Carlton football club will suffer

time to go Smorgon

is one of the most desperate posts ive ever seen. (Except when Stevens was BAGGED after a 40 possesion game last year...but about the same basket).

 

[Bee Vee]

You have to understand this is the last thing the anti-Smorgonites wanted to hear just prior to the board election. The thought of us having a facility to rival Lexus Centre does not fit in with their campaign to remove Smorgon. It is an absolute 'spanner in the works' for those who want to elect some lightweight puppets to the board, to be manipulated as these faceless people see fit. Smorgon has trumped the opposition again. Surely these people should realise they are fighting way above their weight division.

Yes, the financial figures coincidentally released on the same day show how great Smorgon is.
Did you happen to see them?
Did you read the auditors thoughts?

Not to worry, the proposed redevelopment will save our club hey?

 

[AlecDuncan]

From what I can tell Stage 2 has very little to do with the Carlton football Club directly. The only involvement the club has directly in it is our ownership of the lease, which is the way you would want it given our current financial situation.

I've seen developments around the burbs where the developer offers to rebuild the land-owner's (and I guess in our context CFC is sort-of a land-owner by being the long-term lessee) facilities as part of a commercial development.

Elsternwick railway station comes to mind. The developer offered to rebuild the station carpark into a medium-rise facility including shops and apartments, all very conveniently across the road from The Daily Planet. I wonder if this proposal uses a similar principle. There's probably not much detail to have, but I'd like to have it.

I don't think there will be any progress on this front for a few years, but it's good to have a "big picture" item to argue about. For a start, we have to get residents and especially local government on-side. It's interesting that the one criticism I've heard of Malouf through back channels is that he doesn't see the big picture. Well, he's seen this one.

 

[darren waitee]

bluebear diggins is very much against it where is the money comming from think you may want to check your facts

 

[AlecDuncan]

I should add that at least this redevelopment directly addresses the problems of the Social Club with a potential long-term solution (and it's the social club that is the biggest hole in our P&L). Whether it works or not is another matter, but at least they're addressing it.

 

[BlueBelle]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21072069-11088,00.html

GRAHAM Smorgon revealed yesterday a multi-million-dollar plan to redevelop Princes Park.
However the project appears already in doubt after it was discovered current and previous Carlton board members had seen and rejected it.
His $67 million "vision" also raised eyebrows among politicians and councillors who first learned of the proposed redevelopment yesterday.
The Smorgon-led Carlton Unity ticket plans to transform Carlton's 127-year-old Princes Park into a community and commercial plaza complete with childcare centre, medical facilities and underground carpark.
Under the proposal 15 per cent of the existing ground would be turned into parklands and all stands -- bar the Heroes Stand -- would be torn down or re-developed to accommodate the plaza, to be known as Carlton Community Park.
A key component of the proposal involves leasing the operation of the facility to a yet-to-be-established investment company titled Carlton Football Club Investment Limited.
Work could start in two years, with Bank West and investment bank Babcock and Brown expressing interest in funding the project.
Smorgon said construction would only go ahead if the Carlton Unity ticket won the Carlton board elections on February 6.
"Poor on-field performance, numerous board issues and a weak financial position have plagued the club," he said.
"This is a new vision to rid the club of debt and become financially independent."
Carlton director Lauraine Diggins slammed the announcement saying three board members believed the proposal was "pie in the sky".
"Carlton Unity cannot claim ownership of these plans," Diggins said. "Redevelopment proposals have been before the board for months.
"It is a club project, not a Carlton Unity project."
Diggins said the redevelopment would be a fantastic facility were it to come off, but the plan lacked commercial reality in its entirety.
"Carlton has to get the basics right before it visits Dreamland."
Carlton board candidate Paul Littman also said the proposal was discussed at past board meetings but was deemed ill-founded.
He said past directors Bruce Mathieson and John Valmorbida believed the project would never get off the ground.
"It is such a far-flung idea since the State Government and Melbourne City Council have not been consulted," Littman said.
"What we're really looking at is an overblown publicity stunt to achieve votes."
Lord Mayor John So only received news of the project yesterday. A spokeswoman for the State Government said an advisor had only heard vague details about the plan.

 

[AlecDuncan]

bluebear diggins is very much against it where is the money comming from think you may want to check your facts

Diggins said the redevelopment would be a fantastic facility were it to come off, but the plan lacked commercial reality in its entirety.

Yeah, that sounds "very much against it". Not.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Let's take a couple of these comments in isolation"

"Carlton Unity cannot claim ownership of these plans," Diggins said. "Redevelopment proposals have been before the board for months.
"It is a club project, not a Carlton Unity project."

Researched and planned by members of the Unity ticket Lauraine. Where was your media criticism of this plan if you have known about it for months? Did you question this one at the time or only now that you are not a part of it? Perhaps if Lauraine could tell us what her input into this proposal was, we could definitively say it is not a Unity plan.

Diggins said the redevelopment would be a fantastic facility were it to come off, but the plan lacked commercial reality in its entirety.
"Carlton has to get the basics right before it visits Dreamland."

Darren Waitee, Diggins actually thinks it would be fantastic if it came off but doesn't believe it will come off. Not against the idea as such.

Carlton board candidate Paul Littman also said the proposal was discussed at past board meetings but was deemed ill-founded.

Which board meeting were you present at Mr Littman?

He said past directors Bruce Mathieson and John Valmorbida believed the project would never get off the ground.

Oh I see, maybe should let Bruce and John speak for themselves. It does seems that a bit of work on the financials have been done since they left the board, so perhaps they are not coming from the same position of enlightenment, perhaps they are.

"It is such a far-flung idea since the State Government and Melbourne City Council have not been consulted," Littman said.
"What we're really looking at is an overblown publicity stunt to achieve votes."

Hmmm concerned that a ticket with no vision is scoring some points here? The marketing genius ought to recognise a publicity stunt when he sees it I guess. Let me ask a question here, if I want to build a house and have sourced the finance but have yet to get council approvals, is it a far flung idea to build a house, or does it just mean I have to go through the relevant processes?

The council owns PP, someone else is going to increase the value of that land immensely, beautify that land immensely, and appease local residents by giving back parklands. The council would never go for it. The council might consider PP a landmark and not want to see stands torn down, but then Carlton own the stands so can tear them down anyway. Traffic and parking the only real issue for the council but then parking is being increased, and traffic will never be what it was on match days.

I don't live down there so don't understand the local issues. Maybe somebody could point out the downside for the council here?
Lord Mayor John So only received news of the project yesterday. A spokeswoman for the State Government said an advisor had only heard vague details about the plan.

 

[AlecDuncan]

I don't live down there so don't understand the local issues. Maybe somebody could point out the downside for the council here?

Aside from nimby residents, none at all.

 

[Blue Forever]

Something caught my attention when I read this article on our website...

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=311914

Could someone please explain to me why, out of all pictures that have been taken of Princes Park since 1897, why they include one with Robert Harvey? It is minor detail, yet to me, displays the lack of attention to detail that exists within our Club.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Something caught my attention when I read this article on our website...

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=311914

Could someone please explain to me why, out of all pictures that have been taken of Princes Park since 1897, why they include one with Robert Harvey? It is minor detail, yet to me, displays the lack of attention to detail that exists within our Club.

The AFL website has put this together, not the club. It is a Telstra run site. I used to write stories for a website, search through a bank of photos and use one as an afterthought too. They just looked for something with PP in it, to get the story up as quick as possible.

 

[Blue Forever]

The AFL website has put this together, not the club. It is a Telstra run site. I used to write stories for a website, search through a bank of photos and use one as an afterthought too. They just looked for something with PP in it, to get the story up as quick as possible.

I stand corrected...Thanks for the info.

 

[Bee Vee]

Let's take a couple of these comments in isolation"

Researched and planned by members of the Unity ticket Lauraine. Where was your media criticism of this plan if you have known about it for months?

So you bag her if she's critical within the media one day, then bag her for not the next?

You're on fire