Put your draft hat on

[Quicky]

If you were in Hines shoes for the upcoming National and Rookie drafts what would your draft strategy be? And why? Would you go best available? Or pick based on needs?

National Draft
1st Selection - Pick 50
2nd Selection - Pick 65
3rd Selection - Pick 67 (Likely Witts)

Rookie Draft
1st Selection -
2nd Selection -
3rd Selection -
4th Selection -
5th Selection - (Likely Mooney)
6th Selection - (Likely Hartley)

-->> The draft order for the rookie draft is yet to be established and is dependant on what the clubs do during the National Draft and how many list spots are available after this.

 

[Quicky]

Hine has made the comment that as our list is in good enough shape that we can afford to take some risks with our picks.

This is almost a no brainer anyway given our late position in what is widely regarded a weak draft pool this year.

What we do with our National Draft picks will be interesting. Do we go with high risk high reward players (Wellingham from previous years is a good example of this) or more unassuming players that drop because they have qualities that are perhaps underrated for whatever reason by recruiters (Shiels is a good example of this type).

I think we may see some left field choices. Players with low profiles but that feature prominently when measured against our DI's or Bucks kicking skills test. Yagmoor and Elliott have already fit this scenario. I don't know the draft players well enough to make any specific suggestions here.

As for type of players we may draft? I think it is still a must that we bring in some experienced key forward cover. With the retainment of The Yank this no longer necessarily needs to be a player with rucking ability. Eddy and Galea I think are good options. Eddy would be a great story wouldn't he?

 

[TradeDraft]

Well having Late Draft Picks in the National Draft our Best hope there is a Slider like someone like Tom Curran

I still think we need to go for KPP Players but being so Late most of the Good Ones be Gone. But maybe could get one at 50 and Might take a Flyer at 65.

Rookies Might as well go Best Avaliable and maybe even a Ruckman that could come like Brewer

 

[Ed D]

I think we should go for the best available, which pretty much means smalls/mediums. Unless there is a stand out for Hine I don't think a KPP or ruckman would be a good idea. We need players with average or better skills that have a desire to improve their game. I'm not sure with our late picks we can expect much more than that.

 

[Quicky]

Well having Late Draft Picks in the National Draft our Best hope there is a Slider like someone like Tom Curran

I still think we need to go for KPP Players but being so Late most of the Good Ones be Gone. But maybe could get one at 50 and Might take a Flyer at 65.

Rookies Might as well go Best Avaliable and maybe even a Ruckman that could come like Brewer

I suspect we may be loading up for an assault on next years draft in regards to KPP.

If we don't see someone we rate there is no point pulling the trigger just for the hell of it. And it won't make any difference to list balance in anycase as 1st year KPF wouldn't be ready to go anyway.

Thats why I think a mature KPF option might be the go. You could pick someone like Eddy or Galea up as a late rookie.

 

[TradeDraft]

I suspect we may be loading up for an assault on next years draft in regards to KPP.

If we don't see someone we rate there is no point pulling the trigger just for the hell of it. And it won't make any difference to list balance in anycase as 1st year KPF wouldn't be ready to go anyway.

Thats why I think a mature KPF option might be the go. You could pick someone like Eddy or Galea up as a late rookie.

Why do you think we are loading up for a Crack at the KPP in next years Draft?

We know James Stewart is a Highly Rated on that we could Father and Son

Well there are not many good Older KPP. Maybe someone like Jammi Savage from SA could be something like that

 

[Quicky]

Why do you think we are loading up for a Crack at the KPP in next years Draft?

We know James Stewart is a Highly Rated on that we could Father and Son

Well there are not many good Older KPP. Maybe someone like Jammi Savage from SA could be something like that

Maybe not specifically on KPPs although I think it would be time to start planning for life after Cloke and Dawes at that stage. Thats with consideration of the fact KPPs usually take 3-4+ years to crack seniors and often a bit more than that before they are consistent performers. Stewart will be a part of that planning. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if we saw pretty heavy delistings next season, some proactive posturing for decent picks with the aim of re-loading after the lean concession years.

 

[TradeDraft]

Maybe not specifically on KPPs although I think it would be time to start planning for life after Cloke and Dawes at that stage. Thats with consideration of the fact KPPs usually take 3-4+ years to crack seniors and often a bit more than that before they are consistent performers. Stewart will be a part of that planning. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if we saw pretty heavy delistings next season, some proactive posturing for decent picks with the aim of re-loading after the lean concession years.

So you think we be trying to Upgrade out Picks in next years Trade Month?

Also there is Free Agency next year too

 

[rustyg70]

Does anyone know how bad Brett Eddys knee injury was this year?
And how he is going with his recovery?

 

[Swooop]

Think Galea the Port Melbourne fullforward, who is a third tall size i think, and has great hands and a deadly kick.

Think with Cloke and Dawes to worry about, he could really go under the radar relatively speaking and do some damage. Plus he'd be reasonable cover if either of the others went down.

Of course Caff would be hoping to fill this role, but 30 games in 5 years, he's very injury prone.

 

[soreplums]

Does anyone know how bad Brett Eddys knee injury was this year?
And how he is going with his recovery?

I'll have a chat with a few mates who played with him in the VAFA and get back when I can.

 

[soreplums]

Maybe not specifically on KPPs although I think it would be time to start planning for life after Cloke and Dawes at that stage. Thats with consideration of the fact KPPs usually take 3-4+ years to crack seniors and often a bit more than that before they are consistent performers. Stewart will be a part of that planning. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if we saw pretty heavy delistings next season, some proactive posturing for decent picks with the aim of re-loading after the lean concession years.

Totally agree. I'd say that Johnno is more than likely to retire and Taz possibly as well (although he will go around for one more year if he has a good run with injury in 2012).

Players like Sinclair, Thomas, Buckley, Rounds, Seedsman, Ugle will all have a judgement call made on them at the end of 2012. Maybe even Caff if it frees up some cap space and we can nab a cheaper or higher rated Free Agent.

 

[TradeDraft]

Totally agree. I'd say that Johnno is more than likely to retire and Taz possibly as well (although he will go around for one more year if he has a good run with injury in 2012).

Players like Sinclair, Thomas, Buckley, Rounds, Seedsman, Ugle will all have a judgement call made on them at the end of 2012. Maybe even Caff if it frees up some cap space and we can nab a cheaper or higher rated Free Agent.

I say any player who is not in the best 30 or so could be in Danger of getting De-Listed

 

[Harry O]

Will take the best kid available/slider at #50. Like last year with Fasolo, this is most likely to be a mid sized player, although ideally it would be a kpp like Curran, Dobosz, Paine, Manson etc.

Would use the rookie selections on recycled players or mature aged state leaguers like Eddy or Horseley. We saw last year taking under 18 rookies in a compromised draft saw lots of busts.

Pick 65 could potentially also be used on a recycled player like a Urquhart.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I don't mind the idea of taking a recycled player at some point. Depth is going to be important next year and beyond, as teams look to replicate Geelong's policy of rotating in and out of the side to keep players fresh (Carlton have already said they would be doing it as well). We will arguably have the poorest depth that we have had over the last few years next year, so I think we will need some AFL-capable players sitting in reserve.

Outside of our best 25 our depth really drops away to young, unproven players.

 

[the mighty T]

i wouldnt mind a genuine KPD option to develop in the VFL... would be lovely if Talia slipped, but im dreaming

 

[FIGJAM]

Of course Caff would be hoping to fill this role, but 30 games in 5 years, he's very injury prone.

Jeez...bit harsh!

He's only had the one bad year with injuries. Just wasn't AFL standard for a number of years.

For mine Caff was always playing a defensive half forward role though. Can take a grab and kick a sausage, but not a third tall forward in the 'stretching the defence' category.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Of course Caff would be hoping to fill this role, but 30 games in 5 years, he's very injury prone.

Umm... He wasn't in the best 22 for the first three years. He was playing footy at some level virtually every week in his first four years at the club.

Here's what he said on the club website:

I had never really experienced an injury since I began playing when I was 13.

 

[Quicky]

So you think we be trying to Upgrade out Picks in next years Trade Month?

Also there is Free Agency next year too

I think free agency could be a trap for clubs that aren't careful who they target and how much they pay them. You won't be able to build a team around free agents. It could be a useful tool to fill specific needs like we were lucky enough to do with Jolly and Ball.

I think that buying low either through shrewd drafting (us, Geelong), recycled players (Sydney) or state leaguers (Freo) is going to be critical and the foundation for teams. I think we could look at bringing in state league players more and get better at picking recycled players. As good as we have been there is still room for improvement in our list management.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Too hard to make any predictions entering the draft so late again.

I must admit I am usually a keen draft watcher and watch most of the prospects highlights to make an assessment of who I'd like us to go after. But this year due to us entering the draft so late (and with only two live picks) my interest level has dropped substantially. I think I'll just sit back and see what prospective gems Hine can pull out of his hat at 50 & 65 on draft day and then check them out from there!

 

[TradeDraft]

Too hard to make any predictions entering the draft so late again.

I must admit I am usually a keen draft watcher and watch most of the prospects highlights to make an assessment of who I'd like us to go after. But this year due to us entering the draft so late (and with only two live picks) my interest level has dropped substantially. I think I'll just sit back and see what prospective gems Hine can pull out of his hat at 50 & 65 on draft day and then check them out from there!

Fair Enough. We are very late in the Draft for our 1st Pick so to even think who could be our 1st Pick unless you are in AFL Recuriter or Working at Collingwood would be close to Impossible

 

[Snoop Dog]

My view is anyone picked up this year will probably be on the rookie list next year (unless they have a super year) anyway as the clubs clear space for FA and a super draft. Notwithstanding, I think its really difficult to predict given its so late. I think you are better off thinking about the types and then discussing who might be around there. If it was best available then I suspect its nigh impossible. For me I would probably like to see a tall forward come into the group and there are a heap that could be around by then.

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

Not even Hine knows exactly who Collingwood will eventually choose with picks 50 & 65 at this stage. His drafting computer model will have all the names punched in (his draft preferences 1 to 65) & when pick 50 comes up he will look at the screen & see which name pops up (lowest choice still avail). The 17 other recruiting managers will be doing the same, however trying to predict the draft from pick 20 thru to 50 is like trying to pick which Pakistani cricketer will be the next charged with match fixing (could be any one of them).
All I know is that every manager will say "we are very pleased with our picks today, we didn't think that 'player x' would still be around when our pick came up.

 

[TradeDraft]

My view is anyone picked up this year will probably be on the rookie list next year (unless they have a super year) anyway as the clubs clear space for FA and a super draft. Notwithstanding, I think its really difficult to predict given its so late. I think you are better off thinking about the types and then discussing who might be around there. If it was best available then I suspect its nigh impossible. For me I would probably like to see a tall forward come into the group and there are a heap that could be around by then.

You would think Witts would be the Best Player we select in this Draft.

Names of the 3rd Talls that Might be around at Pick 50:

• Shane Kersten
• Brendon Ah Chee
• Brett O'Halin
• Nick O'Brien
• Lachlan Edwards

One Tall Forward I reckon we could pick is Partrick Weardon played in the VFL team twice as a Top Up Player and Looked Okay.

Could also go for a Ruckman who can Play Forward there as well like:

• Mitchel Brewer
• Callum Sinclair
• Fraser Roberts
• Corey Gault
• Jackson Coleman
• Ben Brown
• Tom Downie

 

[Quicky]

Not even Hine knows exactly who Collingwood will eventually choose with picks 50 & 65 at this stage. His drafting computer model will have all the names punched in (his draft preferences 1 to 65) & when pick 50 comes up he will look at the screen & see which name pops up (lowest choice still avail). The 17 other recruiting managers will be doing the same, however trying to predict the draft from pick 20 thru to 50 is like trying to pick which Pakistani cricketer will be the next charged with match fixing (could be any one of them).
All I know is that every manager will say "we are very pleased with our picks today, we didn't think that 'player x' would still be around when our pick came up.

Hine has shown that he is willing to gamble on a player being around at a later stage of the draft. If he thinks another club will draft the 2nd rated player first and thinks his preference will fall to our next pick; he will pick the 2nd rated player first and try and get both.

Thomas>Pendlebury
Sidebottom>Beams

are both examples of this. I'm not sure it will be a big deal this late in the draft though.

I do agree with you in principal I just don't think it is as rigid as picking player 1-65. There's a bit more measured risk taking than that.