Toast Quinton Narkle

[cats_09]

I totally get the frustration in regards to Higgins kicking efficiency, and it's especially frustrating when you then see the goal he kicked in round 1 and want to see more at that level

But if we look at kicking efficiency & inside 50 retention stats from last season, there's not that much between Higgins & Narkle, with Narkle tracking worse in terms of kicks inside 50 being marked by a teammate, but I don't recall too many comments questioning Narkle's kicking ability - so if we're looking at ones kicking ability, maybe we shouldn't be choosing either

"According to Champion Data, Duncan’s kick rating – which measures kicks based on whether they hit the target and based on how difficult they are – is plus-8.3 per cent, good for the 22nd best rating in the AFL this year.

The numbers are not so rosy for Higgins (minus-7.1 per cent, ranked 403rd in the AFL) and Narkle (minus-6.5 per cent, ranked 396th)...

...In the AFL this year, on average 48 per cent of kicks inside-50 are “retained” and 19.2 per cent marked by a teammate.

For Duncan, those numbers rise to 55.2 per cent retained and 27.6 per cent marked.

Higgins has had just 16.7 per cent of his kicks inside-50 marked and 38.9 per cent retained.

Narkle ranks even lower – not a single one of his 16 kicks inside-50 this season have been marked by a teammate."


CATS KICKING THEMSELVES

Player – Kick rating (AFL rank) – kicks inside-50 marked

Mitch Duncan – +8.3 per cent (22nd) – 27.6 per cent

Quinton Narkle

19

Quinton Narkle

Age

28

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

6.9

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

G

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

0.8

4star

– -6.5 per cent (396th) – 0 per cent

Shaun Higgins

4

Shaun Higgins

Age

37

Ht

184cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

D

21.8

5star

K

10.3

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.6

4star

G

0.1

3star

D

12.0

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.8

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.6

3star

– -7.1 per cent (403rd) – 16.7 per cent

Source: Champion Data

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[Cataholic]

Except the ability to hit the side of a barn.

Higgins is useless. He offers zero, zilch, nothing.

For reasons unknown to me we value old timers doing nothing but living on past glories.

 

[00VicWard001]

Stewart?

Not this year. He is an awesome player who looks to me to have lost his touch just a little.

 

[Seeds]

I totally get the frustration in regards to Higgins kicking efficiency, and it's especially frustrating when you then see the goal he kicked in round 1 and want to see more at that level

But if we look at kicking efficiency & inside 50 retention stats from last season, there's not that much between Higgins & Narkle, with Narkle tracking worse in terms of kicks inside 50 being marked by a teammate, but I don't recall too many comments questioning Narkle's kicking ability - so if we're looking at ones kicking ability, maybe we shouldn't be choosing either

"According to Champion Data, Duncan’s kick rating – which measures kicks based on whether they hit the target and based on how difficult they are – is plus-8.3 per cent, good for the 22nd best rating in the AFL this year.

The numbers are not so rosy for Higgins (minus-7.1 per cent, ranked 403rd in the AFL) and Narkle (minus-6.5 per cent, ranked 396th)...

...In the AFL this year, on average 48 per cent of kicks inside-50 are “retained” and 19.2 per cent marked by a teammate.

For Duncan, those numbers rise to 55.2 per cent retained and 27.6 per cent marked.

Higgins has had just 16.7 per cent of his kicks inside-50 marked and 38.9 per cent retained.

Narkle ranks even lower – not a single one of his 16 kicks inside-50 this season have been marked by a teammate."


CATS KICKING THEMSELVES

Player – Kick rating (AFL rank) – kicks inside-50 marked

Mitch Duncan – +8.3 per cent (22nd) – 27.6 per cent

Quinton Narkle – -6.5 per cent (396th) – 0 per cent

Shaun Higgins – -7.1 per cent (403rd) – 16.7 per cent

Source: Champion Data

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Weird comparison. No one has ever said that narkles strength was his kicking efficiencey. It was his ball getting ability and his ability to break lines. higgins strength was supposed to be his ball kicking abililty. higgins weakness in this area is annoying everyone as it was supposed to be his main strength. What we bought him in the side for.

 

[Seeds]

This is the Constable thread of 2021 everyone why is Narkle not getting a game because he won't do what he is asked and that is run both ways

That doesnt stop danger getting games. Or higgins.

 

[standupand]

My view is that our fortunes this year and in the shorter term rest on a player like Narkle breaking into the side and cementing a spot. The older players are too comfortable, the younger ones not ready. We need a Narkle type to be hungry enough to grab the opportunity. If he can, I see him as a potential leader.

 

[DanA]

That doesnt stop danger getting games. Or higgins.

Danger is a different level and Higgins is on thin ice. I wouldn’t expect to see Higgins get another contract nor would I expect him to play much more than 10-15 games.

 

[Partridge]

Not this year. He is an awesome player who looks to me to have lost his touch just a little.

Could just be a poor start but he looked awful last week. Very unlike him.

 

[David the Cat]

Could just be a poor start but he looked awful last week. Very unlike him.

...but brilliant the week before.

Credit where credit is due...Mills did an awesome job on Danger.

 

[Seeds]

Danger is a different level and Higgins is on thin ice. I wouldn’t expect to see Higgins get another contract nor would I expect him to play much more than 10-15 games.

There are plenty others for years who have only ran one way and got endless games. Atkins and dalhaus for example, when up foward, only ran defensively.

 

[catempire]

My view is that our fortunes this year and in the shorter term rest on a player like Narkle breaking into the side and cementing a spot. The older players are too comfortable, the younger ones not ready. We need a Narkle type to be hungry enough to grab the opportunity. If he can, I see him as a potential leader.

That's grim. Not going to happen.

 

[#cats2021]

In the votes again.

VFL coaches votes: Brown dominates again as five poll perfect 10

 

[Gavin Excell]

In no world does Higgins warrant a game ahead of him
Surely the MC have responsibilities about looking forward to the growth and development of the list

 

[catempire]

In no world does Higgins warrant a game ahead of him
Surely the MC have responsibilities about looking forward to the growth and development of the list

Narkle won’t be on an AFL list next year.






Neither will Higgins but he’s not standing in Narkle’s way.

 

[Lingsface]

Narkle won’t be on an AFL list next year.






Neither will Higgins but he’s not standing in Narkle’s way.

I think that is an average comment, Narkle will be on the list and him and parfitt need to be playing every week they add speed and offensive intensity to our slow midfield. In 2 years I worry about our midfield we will have Guthrie and Duncan still at a high level but on there last years no danger no Selwood, Menegola coming in occasionally but Parfitt and Barkley need to be established good players at the least by then for us to be competitive with other sides like Carlton who will have Cerra Cripps Walsh as genuine stars and then a second tier that is good at worst our engine room will be in trouble.

 

[David the Cat]

I think that is an average comment, Narkle will be on the list and him and parfitt need to be playing every week they add speed and offensive intensity to our slow midfield. In 2 years I worry about our midfield we will have Guthrie and Duncan still at a high level but on there last years no danger no Selwood, Menegola coming in occasionally but Parfitt and Barkley need to be established good players at the least by then for us to be competitive with other sides like Carlton who will have Cerra Cripps Walsh as genuine stars and then a second tier that is good at worst our engine room will be in trouble.

I would suggest that ignoring Holmes and what he brings to the table in your assessment changes the complexion of your comment quite significantly.

Holmes is a star. If you need convincing I suggest you watch the last quarter v Collingwood very closely.

 

[catempire]

I think that is an average comment, Narkle will be on the list and him and parfitt need to be playing every week they add speed and offensive intensity to our slow midfield. In 2 years I worry about our midfield we will have Guthrie and Duncan still at a high level but on there last years no danger no Selwood, Menegola coming in occasionally but Parfitt and Barkley need to be established good players at the least by then for us to be competitive with other sides like Carlton who will have Cerra Cripps Walsh as genuine stars and then a second tier that is good at worst our engine room will be in trouble.

We may well be in trouble but Barkley ain’t saving us.

 

[FredLeDeux]

We may well be in trouble but Barkley ain’t saving us.

Barkley's Chance

 

[cats_09]

We may well be in trouble but Barkley ain’t saving us.

That's not really fair on Barkley now is it...

 

[cats_09]

I think that is an average comment, Narkle will be on the list and him and parfitt need to be playing every week they add speed and offensive intensity to our slow midfield. In 2 years I worry about our midfield we will have Guthrie and Duncan still at a high level but on there last years no danger no Selwood, Menegola coming in occasionally but Parfitt and Barkley need to be established good players at the least by then for us to be competitive with other sides like Carlton who will have Cerra Cripps Walsh as genuine stars and then a second tier that is good at worst our engine room will be in trouble.

May I enquire as to what it is exactly that Narkle has shown to suggest that he's going to be some sort of savoir?

If you're looking ahead to 2-years time, it might be best to not ignore the likes of Holmes & O'Connor, with match selections since last season suggesting they've both gone past Narkle in terms of being seen as midfield options, while someone like Close is starting to play further up the ground

We've then also got those yet to debut in Stephens & Knevitt, and we should see what they've got to offer before suggesting they won't be key midfield cogs in the seasons to come


And in terms of the list comment - Narkle re-signed on a 1-year deal last year, and that came after his manager commented about apparent externally interest, but then we get to trade time and based on reports there was serious interest & no offers from other clubs. Would think Narkle is at long odds to be on a list after this season

 

[Lingsface]

May I enquire as to what it is exactly that Narkle has shown to suggest that he's going to be some sort of savoir?

If you're looking ahead to 2-years time, it might be best to not ignore the likes of Holmes & O'Connor, with match selections since last season suggesting they've both gone past Narkle in terms of being seen as midfield options, while someone like Close is starting to play further up the ground

We've then also got those yet to debut in Stephens & Knevitt, and we should see what they've got to offer before suggesting they won't be key midfield cogs in the seasons to come


And in terms of the list comment - Narkle re-signed on a 1-year deal last year, and that came after his manager commented about apparent externally interest, but then we get to trade time and based on reports there was serious interest & no offers from other clubs. Would think Narkle is at long odds to be on a list after this season

I agree Holmes is a good footballer but he is very raw, looks to have all the right assets though,. In 2 years probably not hitting his prime though I’m trying to think of guys that can lead our
Midfield in the next few years and I’m really scraping the bowl here. O’Connor no way he can be a top midfielder is a decent tagger though and Backmen.

All I am saying is I hope I get suprised by a couple of these debutants because when you compare the projected quality of other sides it seems a lot better. We have had a good stagger since our golden years and it seems to not be there.

 

[Gunf]

I agree Holmes is a good footballer but he is very raw, looks to have all the right assets though,. In 2 years probably not hitting his prime though I’m trying to think of guys that can lead our
Midfield in the next few years and I’m really scraping the bowl here. O’Connor no way he can be a top midfielder is a decent tagger though and Backmen.

All I am saying is I hope I get suprised by a couple of these debutants because when you compare the projected quality of other sides it seems a lot better. We have had a good stagger since our golden years and it seems to not be there.

If you want someone to lead our midfield Narkle is the last person you would get to do it

He has proven time and time again he doesn't care when he doesn't have the ball and considering 98% of playing time is without the ball that is a big minus. Yes he has attacking flair but it is not better than any other player we run through the mids and probably the young players we haven't seen yet.

If you want a leader in waiting Holmes/Cooper and Parfitt are way way better option as is O'Connor.

 

[BORIS332]

May I enquire as to what it is exactly that Narkle has shown to suggest that he's going to be some sort of savoir?

If you're looking ahead to 2-years time, it might be best to not ignore the likes of Holmes & O'Connor, with match selections since last season suggesting they've both gone past Narkle in terms of being seen as midfield options, while someone like Close is starting to play further up the ground

We've then also got those yet to debut in Stephens & Knevitt, and we should see what they've got to offer before suggesting they won't be key midfield cogs in the seasons to come


And in terms of the list comment - Narkle re-signed on a 1-year deal last year, and that came after his manager commented about apparent externally interest, but then we get to trade time and based on reports there was serious interest & no offers from other clubs. Would think Narkle is at long odds to be on a list after this season

I do agree with you, though Narkle has shown just as much as O'Connor has in the midfield. The big difference being the latter has a strong defensive emphasis. I'm not sure whether our MC preferences defensive-minded players, or it just suits the role/team balance. I'm thinking the latter as it allows the Danger types to get off the chain.

 

[dazbroncos]

May I enquire as to what it is exactly that Narkle has shown to suggest that he's going to be some sort of savoir?

If you're looking ahead to 2-years time, it might be best to not ignore the likes of Holmes & O'Connor, with match selections since last season suggesting they've both gone past Narkle in terms of being seen as midfield options, while someone like Close is starting to play further up the ground

We've then also got those yet to debut in Stephens & Knevitt, and we should see what they've got to offer before suggesting they won't be key midfield cogs in the seasons to come


And in terms of the list comment - Narkle re-signed on a 1-year deal last year, and that came after his manager commented about apparent externally interest, but then we get to trade time and based on reports there was serious interest & no offers from other clubs. Would think Narkle is at long odds to be on a list after this season

Narkle, like Ronnie Burns for example has the x factor with ball in hand. Good decisions, fast, creative and skilled.
None of which he displays going the other way. Hes not alone there but ive seen PFD chase people down. Brad Close has done it.
Ive yet to see Narkle do it.... or even full pace effort to pressure with the same speed as if he had ball in hand.

Thats the issue IMO. Wish he would as he's got mad skills.

GO Catters

 

[ultimate warrior]

Not this year. He is an awesome player who looks to me to have lost his touch just a little.

This aged well