Roast Racist Deadshits

[kane249]

As a side note, this was the same banner that was used last week at the Pies game, they just put WCE over the top of it this time.

 

[kane249]

This would appear to be your interpretation ... Mine is not an habitual state of mind.
In answer to your direct questions -
A. Not fully up to date..... Please elaborate;
B. Of course.

In any case refer to Carbine Chaos' post.

Australia does not have Freedom of Speech explicitly defined in either the constitution or statutory declaration of rights, so you are perpetuating a myth.

There are however laws in relation to things you can and can't say ( see above about the hate speech act in WA I quoted) so you might want to reconsider your view that you can say anything and not be pulled up on it.

 

[ziad]

probably have to live with the reality that people target high profile gatherings to make political (small p non party) points, protests, etc.

i didn't see it on TV so they were not successful

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Yes it does... We all have the right to express our selves. We don't necessarily have to agree with other people's beliefs but I believe every Australian has the right to express an opinion without being labeled a bigot. It is a well known fact that the best way to try end an argument is to pull the racist/bigot "card". I will not be intimated with this crap.

If you call your boss a campaigner and be sacks you you can't defend yourself with freedom of expression. Simple as that.

 

[Tom_Thumb]

Racism ? Its religious Intolerance when anti islamic words are used. People forget there are white muslims as well so it can't be called racism and that word gets thrown around way too often these days. I disagree with the message but I approve their rights to display what they want even if it does offend some people, the day we outlaw a persons rights to freedom of speech is the day the terrorist's have won !

 

[ep2018]

Apparently criticising Islam makes you a racist. The more you know.

 

[the harry]

If you call your boss a campaigner and be sacks you you can't defend yourself with freedom of expression. Simple as that.

Yep, any freedom of speech (where it actually is constitutionally enshrined) is not freedom from being criticised about your backward ideology.

As for the "that's not racist/Islam is not a race" argument, it gets caught up in racism when used as a guise for hatred for people from a particular part of the world. The UPF opposed multiculturalism, and immigration, on the basis of not fitting in with "Australian life", so referring to them as racist is not exactly something they should have an issue with when the underlying sentiment is "whites only."

Additionally, when your best defence of your actions is to criticise the criticism, rather than provide any rational, non-bigoted, reasonably justification, you have issues.

 

[Jafa]

The Aus constitution doesn't give us freedom of speech nor expression.

And that is an utter shame.

 

[eagles rule]

this is exactly what the protesters want, people discussing it and trying to gain support .

 

[LordHaart]

Apparently criticising Islam makes you a racist. The more you know.

Criticism isn't the same as denying the right of religious practice. They aren't trying to have a discourse, they're trying to stomp on people.

Pretty sad when all some people have to identify themselves with is a call to shut down other people. Patriots my ass.

 

[bombard]

Are some of the people in this thread for real? Firstly, the Bill of Rights that people presume also applies in Australia (it doesn't) is a product of an American political architecture that a good many political scientists regard as a dangerous structure (and would lean towards parliamentary democracies such as here and the UK). That same architecture lets a bloke like Donald Trump run for President - and maybe get close - by the way.

Secondly - freedom of speech doesn't actually preclude hate speech from prosecution or civil action in many US jurisdictions.

Most important, those idiots aren't interested in expressing an actual view. They're interested in stirring up resentment, violence and division in our society. If they want to have their meetings of the WA chapter of the mean little bastards club, they're welcome to do so - but as a condition of entry to the venue, they're not welcome to do it at Subiaco oval.

 

[Marlin01]

That same architecture lets a bloke like Donald Trump run for President - and maybe get close - by the way.

I agree with everything you've said, except the above. I would argue that the leftist thought police have created an environment where even sensible people are so fed up with being told what to think that any alternative is worth considering.

 

[bombard]

I agree with everything you've said, except the above. I would argue that the leftist thought police have created an environment where even sensible people are so fed up with being told what to think that any alternative is worth considering.

Actually, I'd argue he's 100% a making of the Republican establishment looking the other way for the past 15-20 years as they tried to stitch together a coalition of 'traditional' pro-business republicans and low-socioeconomic reactionaries. Trouble is they've been overtaken by the latter group. He's Frankenstein's monster: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...443f28-dbc1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

 

[bombard]

My broader point, though, is that his particular brand of crazy would very seriously struggle to get through a parliamentary election system such as the one we have here. He'd get elected to parliament, sure (I'm looking at you, Queensland) - but he'd struggle to convince 50%+1 from either major party caucus to give him the leadership.

 

[ziad]

Yep, any freedom of speech (where it actually is constitutionally enshrined) is not freedom from being criticised about your backward ideology.

As for the "that's not racist/Islam is not a race" argument, it gets caught up in racism when used as a guise for hatred for people from a particular part of the world. The UPF opposed multiculturalism, and immigration, on the basis of not fitting in with "Australian life", so referring to them as racist is not exactly something they should have an issue with when the underlying sentiment is "whites only."

Additionally, when your best defence of your actions is to criticise the criticism, rather than provide any rational, non-bigoted, reasonably justification, you have issues.

what backward ideology are you referring to? There are a few about.

 

[Adzam]

Whatever you want to call it I'm sure most of you would agree we watch footy and other sports to escape the bullshit going on in the world. Why bring it in and ruin footy too?

 

[bombard]

Whatever you want to call it I'm sure most of you would agree we watch footy and other sports to escape the bullshit going on in the world. Why bring it in and ruin footy too?

Especially when we can all get drunk on purple tears.

 

[the harry]

this is exactly what the protesters want, people discussing it and trying to gain support .

Pretending it didn't happen though isn't going to stop the hatred. Society can not stand idly by and not condemn something which it views as dangerous and hateful.

 

[WCEforeverman]

In what way? Where did freedom of expression get confused with "bigotry" and " racism" ? Tell me that it is illegal to hoist such a banner anywhere in Australia?

The game is a private event in a private sporting ground. If you attend a game you have to abide by the managements rules. Freedom of expression doesn't apply here. If they stood outside the ground with the banner, in a public space, you could use the freedom of expression argument.

 

[the harry]

what backward ideology are you referring to? There are a few about.

A belief that people from different nations and cultures cannot coexist in harmony.

 

[Marlin01]

My broader point, though, is that his particular brand of crazy would very seriously struggle to get through a parliamentary election system such as the one we have here. He'd get elected to parliament, sure (I'm looking at you, Queensland) - but he'd struggle to convince 50%+1 from either major party caucus to give him the leadership.

If Trump was in Australia, he'd have had his own micro party and be holding the balance of power.

 

[Jafa]

The game is a private event in a private sporting ground. If you attend a game you have to abide by the managements rules. Freedom of expression doesn't apply here. If they stood outside the ground with the banner, in a public space, you could use the freedom of expression argument.

Exactly.

America has an excellent freedom of speech model whereby in this instance this group would not be protected by their freedom of speech laws.

 

[Adzam]

this is exactly what the protesters want, people discussing it and trying to gain support .

You have a point but I don't think people should be allowed to bring their hateful agenda to a sporting event. Whatever your opinions of all that shit are it just doesn't belong at the footy.

 

[bombard]

If Trump was in Australia, he'd have had his own micro party and be holding the balance of power.

Perhaps - but I'd take that over Control Of The Nuclear Weapons!

 

[Marlin01]

Perhaps - but I'd take that over Control Of The Nuclear Weapons!

That is a truly frightening prospect.