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A lot of sensible posts in this thread and some silly ones.

The Dockers need to focus on winning and developing a succesful culture not defining themselves by sitting in opposition of their cross town rivals (complaints about WC having a league side or buying games).

The club should either try to outbid us, establish a similar agreement with a club like Melbourne or not back themselves into a corner so they cannot take advantage of the precedent it will set.

Fremantle are developing a good young side finally (no offence intended), have a coach who can possibly win games or at least develop your young talent. Why would you want the board to not be progressive aswell?

This shit about chasing us or defining yourself in relation to us is ****ing idiotic and you will never succeed if this is how those who count at the club think (not saying they do). Fremantle need to start worrying about themselves, with their own success being paramount and the Eagles just being any other club.

Don't any of you find the underdog, little brother, oppositional crap tiring?
 
FD2646 said:
There is persistant talk about North Melbourne playing WCE as a Roos "home game" next year. Quite simply we know the AFL fixturing is a joke and this would be the straw that breaks the camels back. I cannot comprehend how the other mob up the road could get essentially an extra home game. How could the AFL allow 1 West Aussie team to be so blatantly favoured over the other.....actually I do know - it will ensure the survival of the Roos so it is bound (no pun intended) to go ahead.

I implore all Freo fans and members in particular to send the AFL a message. This could be done by writing to Freo to take up our grievances direct to the AFL and further I propose a day of action at our last home game. I am not sure what we could do but am interested in hearing from others to guage both interest and any ideas - looking fwd to hearing from fellow purple horde devotees.
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Think you're getting a bit carried away mate. They are hoping to have it the week before the split round which means it won't impact on their derby preparation so I don't care.


FD2646 said:
Outshined, apathy on these types of issues I believe will just lead to Freo being considered irrelevant - it seems it already is viewed as such by the majority of the AFL. Oh well, why start worrying now.
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We're considered irrelevant on the east coast because we've finished in the bottom half of the ladder in 13 of our 15 seasons.
 

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Can someone help me out with how this is likely to work.

Do West Coast buy the rights to the game from North and then West Coast collect the gate earnings

or

Do North just agree to hold their home game against West Coast at Subi and keep the gate earnings to themselves

or

Do West Coast buy the rights to the game and North gets the gate earnings as well

Potentially West Coast could get the best of both worlds in having both a home game and paying North outright and collecting more at the gate than they paid for the game.

If this was to go ahead the only thing I'd want to make sure is that Freo played the day before West Coast i.e. we get the Saturday night game and they get the Sunday twilight match so if the ground is chewed up we aren't playing on it.
 
Rubber Pants said:
Do West Coast buy the rights to the game from North and then West Coast collect the gate earnings
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That's how it works, I'm not sure of the figures though.

Would be something along the lines of WC pay NM $500k, WC make $700k at the gate - both clubs make a profit.
 
Seems the tribe has spoken and we need not rally the troops. This is based on the feedback from a majority of Fremantle posters. Although I do not agree, I accept the majority veiw, particularly as any meaningful action on our behalf would need to be from a united front.

For the record, some feedback from WCE posters was thought provoking, however I would suggest it is simplistic and bordering on arrogant (dare I use a WCE stereotype) to suggest posters with similar views to myself have chips on shoulders and suffer from little brother syndrome. The original intent of the thread (although I accept my bias against WCE may have assisted others form their opinions) was to guage whether Freo members and supporters feel compelled to protest the inequities of the fixturing and the potential for Freo to be further disadvataged should the WCE and NM deal proceed. As another poster stated it is a dog eat dog competition and giving a direct advantage to two of our competitiors on field (extra home game for WCE) or off-field (financial for NM) even as a one off seems crazy to me, particulalry considering the inequities that already exist.
 
FD2646 said:
Seems the tribe has spoken and we need not rally the troops. This is based on the feedback from a majority of Fremantle posters. Although I do not agree, I accept the majority veiw, particularly as any meaningful action on our behalf would need to be from a united front.
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How very democratic of you. :)
 
Rubber Pants said:
Can someone help me out with how this is likely to work.

Do West Coast buy the rights to the game from North and then West Coast collect the gate earnings

or

Do North just agree to hold their home game against West Coast at Subi and keep the gate earnings to themselves

or

Do West Coast buy the rights to the game and North gets the gate earnings as well
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Will depend on the arrangement but it's likely it will be your first option.

If they pay $600k for the game, the gate takings from 40k tickets sold will be well over $1 million, and the 200 or so corporate boxes would generate over $1 million as well. Signage and catering a bit more.

And the additional rent for Subiaco will be about $300k, and maybe $100k for ground staff.

They will make a shitload of cash out of it, even if they only half fill the ground.
 
Rubber Pants said:
If this was to go ahead the only thing I'd want to make sure is that Freo played the day before West Coast i.e. we get the Saturday night game and they get the Sunday twilight match so if the ground is chewed up we aren't playing on it.
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I'm not so concerned about ground condition, but you'd want this because Freo would be flying out for an away game the following w'end while WC would be sitting pretty for a third consecutive home game in a row. It would be a bit annoying if we had to play twilight game and then say away in Melbourne Sat while the Eagles would have that bonus no travel week. Mind you, wouldn't surprise me though given the joke that is the AFL fixture in general (see my earlier post).
 
FD2646 said:
Seems the tribe has spoken and we need not rally the troops. This is based on the feedback from a majority of Fremantle posters. Although I do not agree, I accept the majority veiw, particularly as any meaningful action on our behalf would need to be from a united front.
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I think in 2010 when the Eagles scrape into 8th place and relegate us to 9th, by the 1 charity North home game win, a few more Freo fans will see this for the farce that it is. Our competition getting an easy ride is the same as us being disadvantaged. All this "Good on them" crap astounds me
 
IMO, It would be just another embarrassing fixturing balls-up by the AFL if its allowed. If they cant afford to play their home games at home or at a designated neutral venue, like Manuka, then they should seek to merge or relocate. I hope they survive, but the wolves are at their door and damaging the integrity of the competition further with bandaid solutions isnt going to make them go away.
 

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kp junior said:
I think in 2010 when the Eagles scrape into 8th place and relegate us to 9th, by the 1 charity North home game win, a few more Freo fans will see this for the farce that it is. Our competition getting an easy ride is the same as us being disadvantaged. All this "Good on them" crap astounds me
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Lol, what?

A few more of the moronic fan base, yes. It's not as though we dont have these channels open to us, and thats the issue. We could pursue this, there are no barriers.

Whether we secure a similar deal will reflect on our club.

Like I said, if West Coast can pull it off good on them.
 
kp junior said:
I think in 2010 when the Eagles scrape into 8th place and relegate us to 9th, by the 1 charity North home game win, a few more Freo fans will see this for the farce that it is. Our competition getting an easy ride is the same as us being disadvantaged. All this "Good on them" crap astounds me
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What about if we scrape into the 8th and relegate Nth into 9th because they sold their soul to the devil, ahem, I mean sold a home game to Weagles? It favours one competitor and disadvantages another ... admittedly most around here may prefer WC to be disadvantaged, but in the end it's not going to make that much difference.
 
4n20 said:
IMO, It would be just another embarrassing fixturing balls-up by the AFL if its allowed. If they cant afford to play their home games at home or at a designated neutral venue, like Manuka, then they should seek to merge or relocate. I hope they survive, but the wolves are at their door and damaging the integrity of the competition further with bandaid solutions isnt going to make them go away.
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You're right to say 'damaging the integrity of the competition further', but lets face it, its pretty un-integrous now isn't it? How many 'away games' are played by Collingwood at the MCG, or what about the Dogs having to travel to Etihad to play Geelong 'away'? If it was a truly even draw I would be complaining more, but it's all over the shop anyway and, though I don't like the idea, I'm not loosing sleep over it either - just hope we can get on to this sham some how.
 
There should be no gain to West Coast. If Norfs choose to relocate a home game to Subi and it happens to be against WC or Freo that should be the sum total. Simply a Norfs home game played at Subi. Just wait until the WC supporters are asked to cough up with 40 large to get in to the game then there will be some screaming.
 
kp junior said:
I think in 2010 when the Eagles scrape into 8th place and relegate us to 9th, by the 1 charity North home game win, a few more Freo fans will see this for the farce that it is. Our competition getting an easy ride is the same as us being disadvantaged. All this "Good on them" crap astounds me
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What happens if the 13th game at Subi helps the Eagles secure 5th and we finish 8th and have an "away" final at Subiaco?
 
Ultimately we need to stop looking at what the Eagles are doing and fix ourselves up. So what if they get 13 games at home? They've made the finals 17 times out of their 23 years, and some of this was during the period where they only had 11 home games, and the finals were either comprised of five or six teams, therefore harder to reach.

For our entire history we've had 12 home games and have worked under the final 8 system, yet we've only made the finals twice. Pretty poor, wouldn't you think?

Clearly, if we're going to write angry letters to anyone, it should be to our own club's administration, rather than the AFL.
 

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Mundy said:
Lol, what?

A few more of the moronic fan base, yes. It's not as though we dont have these channels open to us, and thats the issue. We could pursue this, there are no barriers.

Whether we secure a similar deal will reflect on our club.

Like I said, if West Coast can pull it off good on them.
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Predictable Freagle response
 
Rob said:
A similar arrangement arguably cost us a top 4 spot in 2003.
Look it up.
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Really? Which one? The Melbourne (finished 14th) vs Brisbane game at the Gabba or the Bulldogs (finished last) vs Sydney game at the SCG? Would either of the winners lost had they been played at the correct home ground?
 
I hope that the AFL knocks this on the head, not because it West Coast but because it craps up the integrity of the fixture even more than it is now.

I used to hate it when Melbourne were selling games into Brisbane, and the Bulldogs into Sydney. It's an unfair advantage to one team, not just over Fremantle but over the rest of the competition* that should be avoided.

If it were Freo I'd rather see us win games off their own merit and with a uncompromised fixture rather than the advantage of an extra home game simply because a fellow team in Victoria can't make enough money on it's own turf.

The best thing for Freo to do is either ignore it and concentrate on building the club into a force, or protest at every sold home game, irrespective of the club (except into a market that could be considered neutral)
 
The other thing to remember is, its only a good deal for the Eagles if we use the home ground advantage and actually win the game. If we we don't make the most of it, and lose, then its a bloody expensive loss.

Its still a big risk for the Eagles to take from that POV
 

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