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Yeah nah just seen that, agree with the comments a lot more than whatever that was.
Go back to school, you might learn a thing or two👍🏻

their mocking him because he is acting like women don’t do those jobs, the women who do choose to part always say that it’s a toxic environment as they are subject to sexism and misogyny.
 

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Dunno if you remember but about 20 years ago there was a massive hailstorm that hit Sydney and one of the hailstones broke a firetruck windscreen.

There was a photo and it looked like it was the size of a footy.
 
Dunno if you remember but about 20 years ago there was a massive hailstorm that hit Sydney and one of the hailstones broke a firetruck windscreen.

There was a photo and it looked like it was the size of a footy.

I remember flying into Sydney months later and being amazed to see so many house roofs still covered in tarps.
 
I remember flying into Port months later and being amazed to see so many seats still covered in tarps.


FTFY


Seriously tho there were some wild hail storms over that period. Even up here. This town called Casino got hit by one and nearly every house had to replace their roof. It was about the last time anyone could get quality roofing iron cheap cos even the undamaged stuff was ripped off roofs.

That morning as the sun was coming up there was a cloud over Casino that looked like a skeletal hand glowing bright red in the sun just before it came up. Weird as and I remember thinking how ominous it looked at the time.
 

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Here it is, the most cooked thing I will see today. How tf does this detestable shit even get written, let alone get through several editors to be published in a major Australian media outlet? This is only a snippet and there's just so much wrong with it. I can't imagine what the whole piece looks like.

 
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How is this even considered to be an option?
off the top of my head.. what was the definition of aboriginal in each instance here? these quotes dont tell me that they werent born and raised o'seas but have a grandparent who's ancestral roots were significantly aboriginal. Should that hypothetical person be immune from deportation? I would assume that hypothetical is not the case, but we know what assuming does to u and me.
 
Here it is, the most cooked thing I will see today. How tf does this detestable sh*t even get written, let alone get through several editors to be published in a major Australian media outlet? This is only a snippet and there's just so much wrong with it. I can't imagine what the whole piece looks like.



Bizarre column and very weirdly framed. Not eugenics though.
 
off the top of my head.. what was the definition of aboriginal in each instance here? these quotes dont tell me that they werent born and raised o'seas but have a grandparent who's ancestral roots were significantly aboriginal. Should that hypothetical person be immune from deportation? I would assume that hypothetical is not the case, but we know what assuming does to u and me.

"An Aboriginal man who was in immigration detention awaiting deportation to Papua New Guinea has been released by the Federal Government.

Daniel Love, who was born in Papua New Guinea to a PNG mother and Aboriginal father, was taken to Brisbane Immigration Transit Accommodation Centre last month after being released from prison.

The 39-year-old served 12 months for assault occasioning bodily harm and has an extensive criminal history."

and

"Brendan Thoms is suing the Australian Government for $4.1 million over its unlawful bid to deport him and holding him in immigration detention for 500 days.


Mr Thoms, a New Zealand-born Gunggarri man who was released in February after a landmark High Court ruling, has filed a Federal Court claim for false imprisonment.

He lived in Australia from age six, but never became a citizen.

The Federal Government sought to deport him because his criminal history failed the migration character test.

But the High Court found Indigenous people are exempt from immigration laws and cannot be deported under alien powers in the constitution."
 
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Because they were both born overseas and were foreign citizens? It is a question of legal technicality with citizenship, as non-Indigenous non-citizens living in Australia have been classed as aliens having foreign citizenship. Now there is a legal statue, with the case win, that means Indigenious people born as overseas citizens can't be classed as 'aliens' under Section 51.


On Tuesday 11 February 2020, the High Court delivered its much-anticipated decision in Love v Commonwealth of Australia; Thoms v Commonwealth of Australia [2020] HCA 3. At issue was whether Aboriginal Australians, born overseas, without the statutory status of Australian citizenship and owing foreign allegiance (i.e. possessing a foreign citizenship), were ‘aliens’ within the meaning of s 51(xix) of the Australian Constitution. If they were, then they could be deported under the relevant provisions of the Migration Act 1958 (Cth). If they were not, then the constitutional head of legislative power relied on to support their deportation, and so the legislative provisions relied on, did not apply to them. This was the first time the relevance of Aboriginality for the aliens power had been litigated.

A majority of four of seven judges of the High Court held that ‘Aboriginal Australians are not within the reach of the ‘aliens’ power conferred by s 51(xix) of the Constitution’. This was the central proposition agreed to by Bell, Nettle, Gordon and Edelman JJ, albeit writing individual judgments with significant differences between them. The government accepted that one of the plaintiffs, Mr Thoms, was Aboriginal and within hours of the decision being handed down he was released from immigration detention, where he had been held pending removal. The position of the second litigant, Mr Love, has yet to be settled, with the factual question of his Aboriginality remitted to the Federal Court.

Three of the seven judges – Kiefel CJ, Gageler and Keane JJ – dissented on the central proposition, ruling that Australian Aboriginality was irrelevant to alienage, and that the plaintiffs, born overseas, without Australian citizenship and with foreign citizenship, were aliens and so vulnerable to deportation.

The two plaintiffs were born outside of Australia – Daniel Love in the Independent State of Papua New Guinea, Brendan Thoms in New Zealand. While each had an Australian citizen parent of Aboriginal descent, each was born with the citizenship of their country of birth and not Australian citizenship. Love identifies as Kamilaroi and is recognised as such by an elder of that Aboriginal community. Thoms identifies as Gungarri and is accepted by members of the Gungarri people as such. He is also a native title holder. Both Love and Thoms moved to Australia as young children and became Australian residents. As adults they were each convicted of crimes to which were attached sentences of 12 and 18 months respectively. That led to an automatic cancellation of their visas, pursuant to a legislative provision that makes a sentence of imprisonment of 12 months or more a breach of the ‘character test’. They were placed in immigration detention pending deportation, in accordance with the Migration Act. Mr Love had had the decision to cancel his visa, which triggered action to deport him, revoked. He was before the Court in an action for false imprisonment.
 

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"An Aboriginal man who was in immigration detention awaiting deportation to Papua New Guinea has been released by the Federal Government.

Daniel Love, who was born in Papua New Guinea to a PNG mother and Aboriginal father, was taken to Brisbane Immigration Transit Accommodation Centre last month after being released from prison.

The 39-year-old served 12 months for assault occasioning bodily harm and has an extensive criminal history."

and

"Brendan Thoms is suing the Australian Government for $4.1 million over its unlawful bid to deport him and holding him in immigration detention for 500 days.


Mr Thoms, a New Zealand-born Gunggarri man who was released in February after a landmark High Court ruling, has filed a Federal Court claim for false imprisonment.

He lived in Australia from age six, but never became a citizen.

The Federal Government sought to deport him because his criminal history failed the migration character test.

But the High Court found Indigenous people are exempt from immigration laws and cannot be deported under alien powers in the constitution."
Basically the government sought to preserve a technicality with citizenship laws and now there's a new legal precedent, which is a good thing. However, the closeness in the ruling showed some merit for the technicality.
 
Here it is, the most cooked thing I will see today. How tf does this detestable sh*t even get written, let alone get through several editors to be published in a major Australian media outlet? This is only a snippet and there's just so much wrong with it. I can't imagine what the whole piece looks like.


Isnt it just paternalism, and a natural consequence of the nature of our state/citisen relationship? Its more naked here than usual, but has the same source as all the rest. People forget when authority and power started shifting more and more to the state, it was inevitable that more and more poeple would forget that there was meant to be a fundamental difference between the authority/power/responsibility a parent has over a child vs that of the state over a citisen. The barriers to that would weaken over time as the people forgot to fear, people would notice only the positive affects of the shift and when a downside confronts them blame the indivuals involved. No?
 
Basically the government sought to preserve a technicality with citizenship laws and now there's a new legal precedent, which is a good thing. However, the closeness in the ruling showed some merit for the technicality.
Both posts, very informative thanks. For me the legal technicalities brought a situation that passed my sniff test, glad anyone whos been here from 6 to 36 or whatever, remains here.
 
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