Play Nice Random Chat Thread VII

[DesertRoo]

It's obviously complex and there's some good books that go into it that I could recommend. But the abridged version is that after the 2nd Bush term, everyone on the Democratic side of the aisle assumed that Hillary would be the nominee. She was the only quote-unquote "serious" candidate.

You have to remember that at this point in time, Obama was a JUNIOR Senator still in his first term, with a weird sounding name, and not a lot of recognition anywhere.

But, David Plouffe and David Axelrod ran what I personally still consider to be the greatest political campaign in Western political history, and they edged out Clinton in the Democratic primaries. And importantly, they caught the Republicans asleep at the wheel.

The Republicans also assumed that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee, so on their side of the aisle they gravatated towards someone in John McCain who was seen as the best counter to Clinton; not a legacy/family/wealth guy, a genuine war hero, and someone who (importantly in the context at the time) was critical of the Iraq War and didn't get on great with the deeply unpopular Republican President George W Bush.

So the Democrats weren't prepared for an insurgency from within to defeat Hillary Clinton, and the Republicans weren't prepared for a campaign against a youthful reformist candidate. And the rest is history.

Regardless of how you feel about Obama's terms in office and his policies etc, his actual campaigns to get into the White House were incredible.

Obama is still one of the best orators we’ve had in our lifetime, that ‘yes we can’ and ‘believe’ campaigns were amazing.
he basically came out of no where, campaigned on not trying to belittle opponents or join the regular political shitfight. His message transcended politics, as we can be better humans.
Was amazing to follow.

 

[koshari]

Been a little while but pretty happy with a nice little weld layed down in order to modify the ears on a little 200mm services bucket i picked up cheap to suit our excavator.

 

[Val Keating]

It's obviously complex and there's some good books that go into it that I could recommend. But the abridged version is that after the 2nd Bush term, everyone on the Democratic side of the aisle assumed that Hillary would be the nominee. She was the only quote-unquote "serious" candidate.

You have to remember that at this point in time, Obama was a JUNIOR Senator still in his first term, with a weird sounding name, and not a lot of recognition anywhere.

But, David Plouffe and David Axelrod ran what I personally still consider to be the greatest political campaign in Western political history, and they edged out Clinton in the Democratic primaries. And importantly, they caught the Republicans asleep at the wheel.

The Republicans also assumed that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee, so on their side of the aisle they gravatated towards someone in John McCain who was seen as the best counter to Clinton; not a legacy/family/wealth guy, a genuine war hero, and someone who (importantly in the context at the time) was critical of the Iraq War and didn't get on great with the deeply unpopular Republican President George W Bush.

So the Democrats weren't prepared for an insurgency from within to defeat Hillary Clinton, and the Republicans weren't prepared for a campaign against a youthful reformist candidate. And the rest is history.

Regardless of how you feel about Obama's terms in office and his policies etc, his actual campaigns to get into the White House were incredible.

Surely Trump has him covered in terms of the better political campaign?

 

[Chadwiko]

Surely Trump has him covered in terms of the better political campaign?

Nup, not even close. Trump started on third base with national name recognition and money.

Obama started from nowhere.

 

[Val Keating]

Obama is still one of the best orators we’ve had in our lifetime, that ‘yes we can’ and ‘believe’ campaigns were amazing.
he basically came out of no where, campaigned on not trying to belittle opponents or join the regular political shitfight. His message transcended politics, as we can be better humans.
Was amazing to follow.

Yeah and the time he threatened his daughters potential boyfriends with tiger drones while bombing wedding parties was a terrific bit of auditory

 

[Val Keating]

Nup, not even close. Trump started on third base with national name recognition and money.

Obama started from nowhere.

Fair enough. Like I stated, I didn’t follow Obama’s presidential campaign so can’t really have an opinion I spose

 

[DesertRoo]

Surely Trump has him covered in terms of the better political campaign?

Nah not even close, Obama took the high rd during debates, speeches etc.
Trump did the exact opposite approach mocked and belittled everyone.

You had people of all ages etc crying when Obama got elected because of what people perceived he represented.

 

[Chadwiko]

Fair enough. Like I stated, I didn’t follow Obama’s presidential campaign so can’t really have an opinion I spose

Trump's campaign was a steamroller, pushed by huge money, and even more huge name recognition. He also kept saying/doing the most insane things so he got an incredible amount of media coverage - arguably more than any candidate ever.

Obama's campaign by contrast was a surgical strike. When he began he had essentially no name recognition, no money, very little media coverage, etc. He was the ultimate long-shot candidate at the start of that Primary season.

 

[Themanbun]

Been a little while but pretty happy with a nice little weld layed down in order to modify the ears on a little 200mm services bucket i picked up cheap to suit our excavator.


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[see see]

It's obviously complex and there's some good books that go into it that I could recommend. But the abridged version is that after the 2nd Bush term, everyone on the Democratic side of the aisle assumed that Hillary would be the nominee. She was the only quote-unquote "serious" candidate.

You have to remember that at this point in time, Obama was a JUNIOR Senator still in his first term, with a weird sounding name, and not a lot of recognition anywhere.

But, David Plouffe and David Axelrod ran what I personally still consider to be the greatest political campaign in Western political history, and they edged out Clinton in the Democratic primaries. And importantly, they caught the Republicans asleep at the wheel.

The Republicans also assumed that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee, so on their side of the aisle they gravatated towards someone in John McCain who was seen as the best counter to Clinton; not a legacy/family/wealth guy, a genuine war hero, and someone who (importantly in the context at the time) was critical of the Iraq War and didn't get on great with the deeply unpopular Republican President George W Bush.

So the Democrats weren't prepared for an insurgency from within to defeat Hillary Clinton, and the Republicans weren't prepared for a campaign against a youthful reformist candidate. And the rest is history.

Regardless of how you feel about Obama's terms in office and his policies etc, his actual campaigns to get into the White House were incredible.

TL;DR version: Obama is a campaigner of epic proportions. :Stern look:

 

[Del191229]

But, David Plouffe and David Axelrod ran what I personally still consider to be the greatest political campaign in Western political history, and they edged out Clinton in the Democratic primaries. And importantly, they caught the Republicans asleep at the wheel.

He told a great story in Haberman's book about how after Trump won he went in to see Kushner in his role as the big enchilada of gov relations for Amazon

Plouffe says he got in and they took him to the West Wing and he was mildly surprised at how easy he got access but thought hey Trump and Kushner say they're business guys, I work for Amazon, maybe this is how it is now.

To break the ice he says to Kushner "Oh you've made some changes" and pointed out where they'd had a TV installed.

Kushner looks at him mystified and says "Have you been in here before?"

Plouffe said he realised then just what a dog and pony show they were running - Kushner hadn't been briefed on who he was, and didn't know anyway, just thought he was some Amazon dude.

 

[big_e]

Trump's campaign was a steamroller, pushed by huge money, and even more huge name recognition. He also kept saying/doing the most insane things so he got an incredible amount of media coverage - arguably more than any candidate ever.

Obama's campaign by contrast was a surgical strike. When he began he had essentially no name recognition, no money, very little media coverage, etc. He was the ultimate long-shot candidate at the start of that Primary season.

Obama had national media attention after his speech at the 2004 DNC convention - spots on Good Morning America, all of the news networks lauded him, and you'd think most Democrats, at least, would have been keeping an eye on him as a future leader.

He first appeared in opinion polls after his book came out in October 2006, and jumped straight into second place behind Clinton.

And he then won the Iowa caucus.

Not sure that counts as a long-shot, tbh.

 

[Chadwiko]

Obama had national media attention after his speech at the 2004 DNC convention - spots on Good Morning America, all of the news networks lauded him, and you'd think most Democrats, at least, would have been keeping an eye on him as a future leader.

He first appeared in opinion polls after his book came out in October 2006, and jumped straight into second place behind Clinton.

Yeah, I know and you're correct. But speaking at the DNC convention doesn't really give you mainstream awareness - politically aware Americans are a pretty low subset of the population.

I'm just trying to highlight that in the context of the DNC/Clinton machine, he came from a loooong way back to take the lead.

 

[Del191229]

Nup, not even close. Trump started on third base with national name recognition and money.

Obama started from nowhere.

He was Senator for the 6th largest state in the Union by population.

 

[Chadwiko]

He was Senator for the 6th largest state in the Union by population.

Junior Senator, in his first term.

 

[Del191229]

Trump's campaign was a steamroller, pushed by huge money, and even more huge name recognition. He also kept saying/doing the most insane things so he got an incredible amount of media coverage - arguably more than any candidate ever.

Obama's campaign by contrast was a surgical strike. When he began he had essentially no name recognition, no money, very little media coverage, etc. He was the ultimate long-shot candidate at the start of that Primary season.

Trump also got immensely lucky

 

[Del191229]

Junior Senator, in his first term.

LOL, still a Senator and crucially had brand recognition in the Washington circles where it mattered post his 2004 speech and then his and Michelle's relentless networking.

The "came from nowhere" stuff was key to his insurgency against Clinton, the ultimate insider, but well overblown.

To me the most important thing about Obama is he was the first modern candidate - he and his team used the internet properly etc.

 

[DesertRoo]

Trump also got immensely lucky

Trump wouldn’t have won without Julian, he was the October surprise that flipped that election to the game show host.

 

[Del191229]

Trump's campaign was a steamroller, pushed by huge money, and even more huge name recognition.

Its amazing how many people thought they were voting for the character off The Apprentice.

 

[DesertRoo]

So what happens here?
Biden impeachment?
Biden pardons himself and family?

Biden $10M bribe file released: Burisma chief said he was ‘coerced’ to pay Joe, ‘stupid’ Hunter in bombshell allegations

Ukrainian oligarch allegedly said his dog was “smarter” than Hunter Biden, but that payments needed “so everything will be okay.”

nypost.com

 

[Ligma]

Touch grass

this goes for you too Chadwiko

 

[Chadwiko]

this goes for you too Chadwiko

A) No it doesn't.

B) The absolute audacity for you of all people to tell others to touch grass. You've been on BigFooty for sixteen years less than me, and you have approx 7,000~ more posts than me.

Go touch grass, Ligma. <3

 

[Ligma]

A) No it doesn't.

B) The absolute audacity for you of all people to tell others to touch grass. You've been on BigFooty for sixteen years less than me, and you have approx 7,000~ more posts than me.

Go touch grass, Ligma. <3

so fragile!!!!! jesus

A) the reason I do is because I also post on the SFA board where I do post quite a lot!!!!

have a sook campaigner

 

[Chadwiko]

so fragile!!!!! jesus

A) the reason I do is because I also post on the SFA board where I do post quite a lot!!!!

have a sook campaigner

 

[Ligma]

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little Chad is so fragile guys!!