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[Mowman]

In other news Australia's worst serial killer,
Ivan Milat died this morning in the Prison hospital.

Good riddance you piece of shit!

Now bend over for Satan!

Yes Hopefully it was slow and very painful for him

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Unfortunately the mistakes of past generations are going to catch up with us pretty soon on the whole climate change front...

Yeah run round the city blocking traffic. That should fix it ...cos...like..no-one was aware.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Good that you're nice and woke there crusty but most aren't.
The population still votes out of legacy, self interest, disinterest or stupidity.
So long as the majority of personal wealth it tied up with the boomers it's going to lean to the conservative since franking credits are apparently more important than the future of the country.
Sadly people just don't even want to know. It's just human instinct to avoid responsibilities in general. Much easier to remain ignorant whilst claiming innocence.

I'm going to put it out there that most people didn't understand what the franking credit thing was all about, let alone using it as a voting issue.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

It's definitely held by the older generations and all ways is. Most people set up when they are young and by the time they are old are pretty comfortable. There is a lot fewer with a lot more these days generally. Wealth is condensing. Money makes money as well and if it's not taxed it condenses up. Boomers refusing to leave jobs is an issue with less people able to get into good jobs because people work into their 70s instead of leaving a spot for younger folks.

it would be kind of ******ed if 18 year olds somehow had more wealth than the old people who have been trying to put money aside for retirement all their life.
Unless you're going to do the "Logan's run " thing that's how it'll be.
When you can't work anymore , you rely on your wealth to live on.
There are plenty of oldies who work , because they have nothing and life on the pension will be miserable for them.
Its just as pathetic to say they are stealing jobs from the young people, as it is to say that the migrants are.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Yeah run round the city blocking traffic. That should fix it ...cos...like..no-one was aware.

I actually didn't take part in any of the protests you goose. And for all your "awareness", sweet FA has been done to try and fix it so far.

 

[Crusty Undies]

it would be kind of ******ed if 18 year olds somehow had more wealth than the old people who have been trying to put money aside for retirement all their life.
Unless you're going to do the "Logan's run " thing that's how it'll be.
When you can't work anymore , you rely on your wealth to live on.
There are plenty of oldies who work , because they have nothing and life on the pension will be miserable for them.
Its just as pathetic to say they are stealing jobs from the young people, as it is to say that the migrants are.

Did you know mine is the first generation that will be less able to afford a house than our parents? Do you know why that is? Because a bunch of greedy boomers bought a bunch of houses and negatively geared them until they could start making money off of rent. Because the housing market has been artificially inflated at an astronomical rate during a period of wage stagnation or even decline. Because a bunch of people who clearly think like you are willing to just blame someone else for the problems you and your generation has caused.

No one's saying old pensioners are stealing jobs either. What a copout bullshit strawman argument wow. People are saying that greedy people keep voting in a party that endorses their greed. And the rest of the population is either too stupid or doesn't have the time to research to find out anything to the contrary.

 

[Diehard Saint]

England 19 -7 New Zealand

We're in the final

Now GO BOKKE!

 

[gringo2011]

it would be kind of ******ed if 18 year olds somehow had more wealth than the old people who have been trying to put money aside for retirement all their life.
Unless you're going to do the "Logan's run " thing that's how it'll be.
When you can't work anymore , you rely on your wealth to live on.
There are plenty of oldies who work , because they have nothing and life on the pension will be miserable for them.
Its just as pathetic to say they are stealing jobs from the young people, as it is to say that the migrants are.

Well there goes that argument.

 

[gringo2011]

I actually didn't take part in any of the protests you goose. And for all your "awareness", sweet FA has been done to try and fix it so far.

I think there is a paralysis, it's too hard to know what to do, so people do nothing. I went to see Thomas Picketty when he was here, it was pretty depressing, wealth distribution is the worst since the feudal era. Investing in housing as a money making venture seems to be commoditising a necessity. It seems like the essentials should be set aside from commercial gain but I can't see it changing any time soon.

 

[Crusty Undies]

I think there is a paralysis, it's too hard to know what to do, so people do nothing. I went to see Thomas Picketty when he was here, it was pretty depressing, wealth distribution is the worst since the feudal era. Investing in housing as a money making venture seems to be commoditising a necessity. It seems like the essentials should be set aside from commercial gain but I can't see it changing any time soon.

That and lobbying by mining/power companies

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I actually didn't take part in any of the protests you goose. And for all your "awareness", sweet FA has been done to try and fix it so far.

What do you propose.
Most people in Australia seem focused on Australia. Global greenhouse emissions will increase by more than Australia's entire emissions within the next couple of years.

Anyone who thinks the worlds big emitters will stop because Australia do something good, is as naive as a young girl from Europe who thinks its cool to run off and join ISIS.

Transport would be a good start. Shipping is horrendous. Ships are incredibly cheap rubbish with inefficient engines, run until they are stuffed then grounded . Global shipping is responsible for more CO2 than Australia, and its a lot simpler to fix.
But we need a means of GLOBALLY enforcing change.

I didn't say you took part in the protests, but it bugs me that when something bad is going to happen, people specifically decide to take useless actions.
And bandying around alarmist terms like "extinction " won't help their cause.

The closest the current life on the world has come to a MAJOR extinction event , caused by the climate , is when CO2 DROPPED to 180ppm.
It is a cold fact that if CO2 got to 150ppm all would die.
There is no such fact for any feasible upper limit.

 

[Crusty Undies]

What do you propose.
Most people in Australia seem focused on Australia. Global greenhouse emissions will increase by more than Australia's entire emissions within the next couple of years.

Anyone who thinks the worlds big emitters will stop because Australia do something good, is as naive as a young girl from Europe who thinks its cool to run off and join ISIS.

Transport would be a good start. Shipping is horrendous. Ships are incredibly cheap rubbish with inefficient engines, run until they are stuffed then grounded . Global shipping is responsible for more CO2 than Australia, and its a lot simpler to fix.
But we need a means of GLOBALLY enforcing change.

I didn't say you took part in the protests, but it bugs me that when something bad is going to happen, people specifically decide to take useless actions.
And bandying around alarmist terms like "extinction " won't help their cause.

The closest the current life on the world has come to a MAJOR extinction event , caused by the climate , is when CO2 DROPPED to 180ppm.
It is a cold fact that if CO2 got to 150ppm all would die.
There is no such fact for any feasible upper limit.

So because other people contribute more we shouldn't try to fix our own emissions? Typical boomer mentality, pass the responsibility to someone else.

Australia has had more animals go extinct in the last 5 years than in all the years before that since colonisation. We're lirerally in the middle of a mass extinction event. Proof of the pudding is in the eating.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I'm going to put it out there that most people didn't understand what the franking credit thing was all about, let alone using it as a voting issue.

Charity for the middle class...

 

[Diehard Saint]

Now GO BOKKE!

have to be favourites after that display...but you never know ...
See you next week

 

[Brains Trust66]

Sorry to offend people who like the Block , but i cant stand the Scott Cam show . What’s the longest bit of footage in the show when he isn’t talking ? I’m guessing it wouldn’t be much more than two minutes .
If anyone remembers, when The Block first started , the contestants still had to work everyday at their job . Then after work and on the weekends they did the renovations. These days it’s a full new build but it’s mainly all done by tradies but the contestants get all the glory . All they do these days is painting , shopping and stupid challengers set by Cam . Occasionally they get their hands dirty but only usually when they run out of money.

As with the last few years , about three quarters through the show the contestants are suddenly told they are going to run out of money ........cue the task where they win some more money . The idea of the show is flawed . They need to spend lots of money to impress the judges to win that weeks room so they can win more money . If they cut back on their spending then they have no chance of winning more money . It’s ridiculous.

As usual there are early favourites that the judges love who win the first few rooms . But then the judges suddenly don’t like them so much even when their rooms are obviously better , so other couples get to win some rooms . The producers don’t want one team to dominate otherwise no one will want to watch the show so the judges know what to do .

Almost every week there is some huge controversy about something which is just a beat up for the show .

In case you are wondering, my wife watches it so I play on the computer in the same room hence I hear all the crap . And don’t even get me started on product placement . .............


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[SaintsSeptember]

So because other people contribute more we shouldn't try to fix our own emissions? Typical boomer mentality, pass the responsibility to someone else.

Australia has had more animals go extinct in the last 5 years than in all the years before that since colonisation. We're lirerally in the middle of a mass extinction event. Proof of the pudding is in the eating.

My point is that fixing our own emissions wont help. And blaming all your problems on a certain demographic is just another form of bigotry.
Its not passing the responsibility on, its a matter of not putting out enough emissions that we make any difference.
Oh but CHina might stop putting out CO2 if we do.... sure believe that ... seems gullible to me.

And what caused those extinctions. Deforestation is a different issue altogether

 

[Crusty Undies]

My point is that fixing our own emissions wont help. And blaming all your problems on a certain demographic is just another form of bigotry.
Its not passing the responsibility on, its a matter of not putting out enough emissions that we make any difference.
Oh but CHina might stop putting out CO2 if we do.... sure believe that ... seems gullible to me.

And what caused those extinctions. Deforestation is a different issue altogether

The combination of Australia and every other country outside the top 10 emitters still make up 30% of carbon emissions. So yes, we all need to make a change even if China, India and America are the worst offenders.

One of the major reasons the greenhouse effect is so prevalent is because trees convert carbon dioxide to oxygen and all the trees are being cut down so there's a much higher ratio of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So no, the two are actually quite closely linked. In the same way that polar ice sheets and coal contain a lot of greenhouse gasses and are also being melted and burned respectively.

 

[Premium]

My point is that fixing our own emissions wont help. And blaming all your problems on a certain demographic is just another form of bigotry.
Its not passing the responsibility on, its a matter of not putting out enough emissions that we make any difference.
Oh but CHina might stop putting out CO2 if we do.... sure believe that ... seems gullible to me.

And what caused those extinctions. Deforestation is a different issue altogether

tough topic

 

[Premium]

Yes Hopefully it was slow and very painful for him

Any person who commits mass murder should be put to death full stop - he should of been hanged long ago.

 

[Human Person]

The combination of Australia and every other country outside the top 10 emitters still make up 30% of carbon emissions. So yes, we all need to make a change even if China, India and America are the worst offenders.

One of the major reasons the greenhouse effect is so prevalent is because trees convert carbon dioxide to oxygen and all the trees are being cut down so there's a much higher ratio of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So no, the two are actually quite closely linked. In the same way that polar ice sheets and coal contain a lot of greenhouse gasses and are also being melted and burned respectively.

Beat me to it, well said.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

The combination of Australia and every other country outside the top 10 emitters still make up 30% of carbon emissions. So yes, we all need to make a change even if China, India and America are the worst offenders.

One of the major reasons the greenhouse effect is so prevalent is because trees convert carbon dioxide to oxygen and all the trees are being cut down so there's a much higher ratio of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So no, the two are actually quite closely linked. In the same way that polar ice sheets and coal contain a lot of greenhouse gasses and are also being melted and burned respectively.

Take out Australia and put in Sea Transport, and its 31%.
Yet there is hardly any focus on the Sea transport.
The Australian footprint is diverse and complicated by a number of factors.
Sea transport is relatively easy, ...Make Ships Efficient. The technology is there , but its not being used.

I'm not against Australia reducing its footprint. But it needs someone to plan something. No-one has planned any large scale replacement for the coal power we currently have. It can take more than a decade to build this sort of infrastructure.
Then we talk about closing more coal stations.
I'm not willing to have power outages to reduce our 1% of the global contribution to 0.9% or whatever it will be. Are you willing to go without electricity.
Rolling brownouts invariably hit the suburbs. The large buildings with their lit up signs are essential i guess.

 

[pebblesofsand]

I think there is a paralysis, it's too hard to know what to do, so people do nothing. I went to see Thomas Picketty when he was here, it was pretty depressing, wealth distribution is the worst since the feudal era. Investing in housing as a money making venture seems to be commoditising a necessity. It seems like the essentials should be set aside from commercial gain but I can't see it changing any time soon.

Nail - head.

Most of the baby boomers "wealth" has come from turning the "housing" market into an "investment" market.

And even the most benign attempts to rein that in (limiting negative gearing to a single property) is then portrayed as an attack on peoples "wealth" when in reality it is an attack on a very small but unfortunately very influential component of society.

Couple that with an increasing propensity of conservatives to use the fundamentals of the human psyche (ie fear is a bigger driver than hope) to manipulate voting patterns and I can't see things changing in the very near future.

England is a classic example - 60% of voters think they will be worse off after Brexit but the Conservatives are still predicted to win an election. Go figure!!!!

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I think there is a paralysis, it's too hard to know what to do, so people do nothing. I went to see Thomas Picketty when he was here, it was pretty depressing, wealth distribution is the worst since the feudal era. Investing in housing as a money making venture seems to be commoditising a necessity. It seems like the essentials should be set aside from commercial gain but I can't see it changing any time soon.

Housing is expensive because "we " made it expensive, because housing costs what people are prepared to pay for it.
A single wage used to afford a house, and we blew it out to double salaries.

Concentrating all of our population in only a few large cities doesn't help.

I agree there is a certain amount of paralysis. People are yelling out "do something" but no-one knows where to start.
Personally i think we should go with the "Australia owns the nuclear industry" model.
But that'll get shouted down.

 

[Crusty Undies]

Take out Australia and put in Sea Transport, and its 31%.
Yet there is hardly any focus on the Sea transport.
The Australian footprint is diverse and complicated by a number of factors.
Sea transport is relatively easy, ...Make Ships Efficient. The technology is there , but its not being used.

I'm not against Australia reducing its footprint. But it needs someone to plan something. No-one has planned any large scale replacement for the coal power we currently have. It can take more than a decade to build this sort of infrastructure.
Then we talk about closing more coal stations.
I'm not willing to have power outages to reduce our 1% of the global contribution to 0.9% or whatever it will be. Are you willing to go without electricity.
Rolling brownouts invariably hit the suburbs. The large buildings with their lit up signs are essential i guess.

Yeah no I completely agree. There's a lot of things no one thinks about like the dairy industry which are one of the bigger contributors in Aus and NZ. I don't want people to lose quality of life but the tiniest bit of effort to not actively destroy the environment is a fair enough expectation I reckon. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that we don't start opening more coal plants or starting more coal mines because Clive Palmer wants to. I don't think it's unreasonable to keep subsidising solar panels, electric cars/trucks and encouraging cycling etc. The current government has spent 7 years turning Australia from one of the most environmentally friendly countries to the least. And then our PM deadass has the gall to carry a lump of coal into parliament and talk about how clean it is.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Yeah no I completely agree. There's a lot of things no one thinks about like the dairy industry which are one of the bigger contributors in Aus and NZ. I don't want people to lose quality of life but the tiniest bit of effort to not actively destroy the environment is a fair enough expectation I reckon. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that we don't start opening more coal plants or starting more coal mines because Clive Palmer wants to. I don't think it's unreasonable to keep subsidising solar panels, electric cars/trucks and encouraging cycling etc. The current government has spent 7 years turning Australia from one of the most environmentally friendly countries to the least. And then our PM deadass has the gall to carry a lump of coal into parliament and talk about how clean it is.

I don't see the point in closing coal power stations, and creating an electricity shortage ( which means remaining providers can gouge for money ) but then export the coal to other countries. The coal will still be burnt , the CO2 will still be released.

I agree with what you don't think is unreasonable.

But!!! When was Australia EVER one of the lowest CO2 emitting countries?
Australia has been environmentally friendly as far as pollutants go. But CO2 emissions have always been high per capita. Part of the problem is a large developed country with sparse population.

Any environmental friendliness that we had 7 years ago was more to do with talking the talk , than walking the walk.

The big thing is people refuse to think outside their own little square.
The company i work for is based in Germany, and all their operations need to have ISO 14001 quality certification. Part of that involves setting targets and taking actions to improve environmental performance.
The main site in Germany had the gall to stop an operation they were performing internally and outsource it, then pat their backs among the organization about how they saved electricity. The outsourced operation is NOT more efficient.

Australia mines ore.
We ship it to China in Boats, the boats probably aren't added to Australia or China's CO2 footprint.
They use around 2 Tonne of Ore and a Tonne of Coke to Create a Tonne of Pig Iron
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Today, it is estimated that the global steel industry used about 2 billion tonnes of iron ore, 1 billion tonnes of metallurgical coal and 575 million tonnes of recycled steel to produce about 1.7 billion tonnes of crude steel

Raw materials

Efficient use of natural resources is critical to sustainability. The steel industry uses advanced technologies and techniques to increase production yield rates, reduce its energy requirements, and facilitate the use of by-products.

www.worldsteel.org

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Steel has a carbon content of just a couple of percent.

A process has been developed for producing steel without using a blast furnace.
If we are serious about having a high tech future for Australia, surely this is the type of high tech we should be looking at.

Cleaner, Cheaper Way to Make Steel Uses Electricity

Making steel in a similar way to aluminum is cheaper and reduces greenhouse gas emissions

www.scientificamerican.com

Sweden aims for first place in zero carbon steel race

The Swedish government has announced plans to make its steel production facilities a world leader by developing a radical new carbon-free production

www.thefifthestate.com.au

Our ore mines seem to be in good places for solar energy.
Even if we had fossil fuel backup generation ( i'd expect that an elctric smelter would need to be 100% ON ) , the total CO2 footprint for Steel Production would be way less.
The energy used to ship the much denser steel products overseas would be much less than that of iron ore.

That's my idea.
It could be crap, but its an idea.

Marching around in the street waving placards is like throwing a temper tantrum because they ain't happy.