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[plugger66]

So is it the premiers fault or is it the public's inability to follow rules? Obvious enough to some.

What do you mean not going hard enough initially? He was criticised for going too hard initially.

His first comments were no where near hard enough compared to other states. And imo I have you the reason why people didn’t follow advise. Why are the Victorian public stupid but other states have smart people or is it people heard silly dan not go hard enough at the protest so they thought stuff it and gathered in groups. Let’s not forget though if they gathered in groups and no one had COVID no one could spread COVID. How did they initially get COVID for the second wave again? Yep quarantine

 

[George]

His first comments were no where near hard enough compared to other states. And imo I have you the reason why people didn’t follow advise. Why are the Victorian public stupid but other states have smart people or is it people heard silly dan not go hard enough at the protest so they thought stuff it and gathered in groups. Let’s not forget though if they gathered in groups and no one had COVID no one could spread COVID. How did they initially get COVID for the second wave again? Yep quarantine

It's not really up for debate, it's well known the media criticised him early on for being too strict. Now they are criticising him for not doing enough. Can he win at all? When the media in this country is run by Liberals that's what you get. He has had his failures for sure just like Liberal run NSW did letting in a cruise ship full of infected people. It's no coincidence the virus affected us more in winter and had less of an impact in warmer states and countries. I would say the warmer weather will mean we eradicate the virus by end of year, if not before then.

What is funny though is the outrage. 900 deaths was half a days work in Italy.

We have done an unbelievable job in almost eradicating it. Not many places in the world can say that.

Where's the praise for getting our cases down from 700 a day in June to 7 today? If they are going to pile in on him about his "failures" then surely can admit his successes.

You believe way too much of what the media says, it's hard to reason with you.

 

[plugger66]

It's not really up for debate, it's well known the media criticised him early on for being too strict. Now they are criticising him for not doing enough. Can he win at all? When the media in this country is run by Liberals that's what you get. He has had his failures for sure just like Liberal run NSW did letting in a cruise ship full of infected people. It's no coincidence the virus affected us more in winter and had less of an impact in warmer states and countries. I would say the warmer weather will mean we eradicate the virus by end of year, if not before then.

What is funny though is the outrage. 900 deaths was half a days work in Italy.

We have done an unbelievable job in almost eradicating it. Not many places in the world can say that.

Where's the praise for getting our cases down from 700 a day in June to 7 today? If they are going to pile in on him about his "failures" then surely can admit his successes.

You believe way too much of what the media says, it's hard to reason with you.

You actually couldn’t be serious. Firstly you are comparing Andrews and how strict he was in lockdown. I had no problem with it then but I’m talking about his response To the blm protest initially. It went against how strict he had been in lock down. Secondly who cares about Italy. I live in Australian so rather weirdly with some I’m comparing it to the other states. You do realise the second wave which was caused by quarantine has cost us a grand final in Victoria no crowds at the races 100k of jobs that still aren’t working. Why would people want to thank him for something the government had no idea how to manage properly. And please don’t tell me I believe to much of what the media says. You have no idea why I believe Andrews stuffed up but I can assure you it’s not because of what the media has says. I won’t guess why you think he should get praise. It’s impossible to guess that.

 

[George]

You actually couldn’t be serious. Firstly you are comparing Andrews and how strict he was in lockdown. I had no problem with it then but I’m talking about his response To the blm protest initially. It went against how strict he had been in lock down. Secondly who cares about Italy. I live in Australian so rather weirdly with some I’m comparing it to the other states. You do realise the second wave which was caused by quarantine has cost us a grand final in Victoria no crowds at the races 100k of jobs that still aren’t working. Why would people want to thank him for something the government had no idea how to manage properly. And please don’t tell me I believe to much of what the media says. You have no idea why I believe Andrews stuffed up but I can assure you it’s not because of what the media has says. I won’t guess why you think he should get praise. It’s impossible to guess that.

Yes because it's not illegal to protest. How do you really think a protest of thousands of people would effectively be policed? How are they going to scare away people with fines? They can't fine everyone. While there is curfew and 5km rules, at the end of the day it's up to the public to follow those rules.

Haven't you seen what's happening all over the world? I don't think any government knows how to effectively manage a once in 100 year virus.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Andrews was responsible for not going hard enough initially with the blm protest. Whilst the protest wasn’t responsible for the outbreaks it was responsible for people not giving a stuff about government advise and as that was a similar time to the quarantine outbreak it sent out a poor attitude to the public. In the final couple of days he got harder on the protest but the bird had flown. The poor attitude was right through areas of society and that caused all the outbreaks. Why would victorians not follow advise but nsw people did? That is my opinion as to why.

Are you also prepared to admit that the federal government has failed the people in not implementing Border Security and Bio-security as that is under their role?
Andrews was forced into a role that he should have never been doing because the government abandoned the people and the states, I would be far far far more concerned about that then whatever Andrews did.

The people in the Northern suburbs has massive parties and that is what made it spread like gangbusters

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Trump has also tested postiive for covid.

For a bloke in his nick it could be a killer

 

[plugger66]

Yes because it's not illegal to protest. How do you really think a protest of thousands of people would effectively be policed? How are they going to scare away people with fines? They can't fine everyone. While there is curfew and 5km rules, at the end of the day it's up to the public to follow those rules.

Haven't you seen what's happening all over the world? I don't think any government knows how to effectively manage a once in 100 year virus.

I give up. I didn’t say they could stop it. I did say he sent out a poor attitude Initially by not going hard enough compared to every other state. Can you explain why Victorian people are stupid and don’t follow rules but nsw people are smart and do follow rules?

 

[George]

I give up. I didn’t say they could stop it. I did say he sent out a poor attitude Initially by not going hard enough compared to every other state. Can you explain why Victorian people are stupid and don’t follow rules but nsw people are smart and do follow rules?

No idea, I give up too. Got a meeting at 4.

How did your chicken & chips go today? No issues?

 

[plugger66]

Are you also prepared to admit that the federal government has failed the people in not implementing Border Security and Bio-security as that is under their role?
Andrews was forced into a role that he should have never been doing because the government abandoned the people and the states, I would be far far far more concerned about that then whatever Andrews did.

The people in the Northern suburbs has massive parties and that is what made it spread like gangbusters

Yep no worries. It’s all the people Fault. I’ve probably spoken to 200 people and none have had COVID so if I had a huge party of those 200 people none would still get COVID. How did the people who had these so called parties get COVID again? Just in case you don’t know it was quarantine

 

[Roddy Grant]

Trump has also tested postiive for covid.

For a bloke in his nick it could be a killer

Watch him beat this virus after a couple of weeks isolation and come out campaigning about winning the battle like some kind of front line war hero.

Interesting time to get it when he seems behind in the polls and took some reputational damage after the debate.

I love a good conspiracy .

 

[plugger66]

No idea, I give up too. Got a meeting at 4.

How did your chicken & chips go today? No issues?

Excellent. And dimmies and no sugar coke.

 

[plugger66]

Watch him beat this virus after a couple of weeks isolation and come out campaigning about winning the war like some kind of front line war hero.

Interesting time to get it when he seems behind in the polls and took some reputation damage after the debate.

I love a good conspiracy .

That’s exactly my thinking. The sympathy vote and how quick he beats it.

 

[George]

Excellent. And dimmies and no sugar coke.

Well done on going the healthy option

 

[plugger66]

Well done on going the healthy option

Always. Now I’m going to have 12 no sugar vb stubbies.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Watch him beat this virus after a couple of weeks isolation and come out campaigning about winning the battle like some kind of front line war hero.

Interesting time to get it when he seems behind in the polls and took some reputational damage after the debate.

I love a good conspiracy .

74, obese and sleeps very poorly, Boris has 20 years on him and he got close to death.

Unless he is asymptomatic he is going to be hit hard, one thing he has going for him is a lack of drinking, smoking and drugs but all that fast food might be just as damaging.

 

[plugger66]

74, obese and sleeps very poorly, Boris has 20 years on him and he got close to death.

Unless he is asymptomatic he is going to be hit hard, one thing he has going for him is a lack of drinking, smoking and drugs but all that fast food might be just as damaging.

Sounds like I’m stuffed if I get it.

 

[Roddy Grant]

74, obese and sleeps very poorly, Boris has 20 years on him and he got close to death.

Unless he is asymptomatic he is going to be hit hard, one thing he has going for him is a lack of drinking, smoking and drugs but all that fast food might be just as damaging.

I’m hypothesising that he doesn’t actually have COVID and this is a political stunt.

If he does actually have it then he could be in trouble for sure.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Sounds like I’m stuffed if I get it.

I think VB contains the cure for it, and mowing lawns.

 

[plugger66]

I think VB contains the cure for it, and mowing lawns.

In the clear then.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Andrews was responsible for not going hard enough initially with the blm protest. Whilst the protest wasn’t responsible for the outbreaks it was responsible for people not giving a stuff about government advise and as that was a similar time to the quarantine outbreak it sent out a poor attitude to the public. In the final couple of days he got harder on the protest but the bird had flown. The poor attitude was right through areas of society and that caused all the outbreaks. Why would victorians not follow advise but nsw people did? That is my opinion as to why.

NSW had a bigger BLM protest than we did... and at the time infections in both cities were very similar (single figures).

The irony of that is so many calling Andrews a Dictator in one breath and raging about why he didn't stop a democratic protest in the other. You keep mentioning that the virus didn't break out in other states yet they had BLM protests as well. How does that work? The poor attitude wasn't through all areas of society at all. The Geonomic tracing found it went through specific family groups that are linked back to guards and a hotel manager. It was virtually a perfect storm;

Outsourcing to security because the cops didn't want to waste time babysitting
Rogue security firms sub-contracting to dodgy firms
Firms ignoring health protocols resulting in poorly or untrained guards
A group of guards sacked for propositioning female hotel staff
A handful of positive guards attending large gatherings to celebrate the end of Ramadan
Newly infected people spreading it further through old age facilities, schools, commission flats, meat works and other work places
People unable to stop working because they were casuals (no sick leave, no job keeper)

And you're seriously going to say it was because of a protest that this all happened? C'mon Plugs, it just doesn't add up.

 

[gringo2011]

I can honestly say I have no idea if they would have done it better. I do know for a fact no other state had a second wave and I do know for a fact labor were in charge when we got a second wave. Those are facts. Your question is complete guess work As for the amount of media frenzy I reckon they have been pretty reasonable considering how stuffed our state has been compared to the rest of Australia. As for what Andrews is like well to be honest I really don’t care. All I know is he was in charge when the state went further into the sh*t.

Fair enough. What should or could he have done better to stop it from coming back? It seriously is a little bit of bad luck on top of some poor management strategy. NSW has had second waves but they were able to get onto it a lot quicker and part of that is after what happened here people weren't as complacent in other states. Here people were dickheads until it flared up and people realised it wasn't a hoax or some abstract concept from overseas.

The virus is likely to come back again until we find a vaccine and it won't really matter who's in charge if we don't do the right thing. The NSW ship thing was actually a lot more direct government **** up because they let people walk off the ship sick and didn't even think to quarantine them. Victoria's **** up is allowing private enterprise to do jobs. Sounds like the government didn't think people wouldn't do a job they were paid to do properly. That's a lot harder to control than the border force **** up.

 

[gringo2011]

It's irrelevant whether the Liberals would have done it different or better, Andrews and Labour hold office and they are the ones in charge and have failed miserably. The only reason that we are in this lockdown is due to their failed hotel quarantine. How can anyone honestly say, it is acceptable for all those politicians and public servants to have amnesia and not take any responsibility for their actions it is criminal. I also believe that Andrews has been let off bloody easy. Like I have said, I have been a state Labour voter the last two times, but will find it hard to ever vote for them again with the damage that they have done.

That's the good thing about politics, everyone gets to vote for who they want. I reckon Andrews will get done next election regardless. It's a shame because the opposition are terrible. I actually reckon he's a pretty good leader.

 

[StFly]

O'Brien demanded the state economy be completely opened in April.

Judging by overseas experience with countries that did that, they had massive cases and massive deaths.

Pretty safe to say that Victoria under O'Brien would have tens of thousands of cases and thousands more deaths.

Unless of course O'Brien who is the lapdog of the IPA, whose policy on Covid-19 was let it rip, was blatantly lying for political gain.

O'Brien was the Planning Minister who with Napthine signed contracts in caretaker mode so their mates could get 700 million in compensation for the East West tunnel.

He should be in jail. But you know all that Plugger surely.

Throw in ex Vic Lib leader Matthew Guy who decided to change fire regs in 2014 when planning minister, in actual bushfire zones to grab cash and "privatise" bushfire control to people. He's the one that cut funding in bushfire affected zones when it was a mater of "when" not "if" we have another season where properties are threatened and lives are lost. Went well, those private bunker sessions through councils...

Not their fault though, weren't the governing body when the fire came through, blame someone else for relaxing regulations.

State Vic libs couldn't plan their way into their own goddamn pants without something going amiss "oh, there's a hole where?".

That's the good thing about politics, everyone gets to vote for who they want. I reckon Andrews will get done next election regardless. It's a shame because the opposition are terrible. I actually reckon he's a pretty good leader.

Not everyone, I know someone not on the electoral role and though I should, I don't care enough in the Westminster system to actually do anything about it.

I'm on it, I'm not employed by gov to fact check their shit, get some competent employees ya pillocks.

 

[George]

They are good economic managers, don't worry about it

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

I reckon the Vic government would burst into tears if Brisbane and Port Adelaide both made it into the GF. All those tourists that they miss out on.