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[Gangnam Saint]

Article even stats "a theory that has been widely dismissed by mainstream academics for decades, some of whom suggest that it is being made up to emphasise the role of China." Chinese communists has been pushing this theory for 50 years they have at times taught children that Han Chinese are a separate species to everyone else. China is more a Han ethno-fascist state then anything else.

There is some DNA evidence of Neanderthal and Homo Sapiens interbreeding so that Europeans and Asians may have up to 2-3% Neanderthal DNA but the DNA difference from a Neanderthal and a early Homo Sapien was likely ver small maybe a couple percent or we would of had in fertile offspring like Mules or no conception at all like if someone tried to mate with an ape.
There is some DNA evidence that the same thing happened in Africa that instead of Homo Sapiens coming from 1 small part of the African we sexed our way all over to become Homo Sapiens then did the same when we left but all Homo Sapiens are maybe 95-99% related to the Homo Sapiens who came out of Africa we came out of Africa and the greatest DNA difference between any 2 people is far less then 1%.
Also Homo Erectus originated in Africa just earlier then Homo Sapiens Chinese people can be racists too
https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...ancient-humans-had-sex-other-hominids/338117/

I think it is very easy to be dismissive but new discoveries should be evaluated objectively on their merit without bias. Some of the genetic marker work I have read on Africans, Europeans and Asians also suggests Africa may not be the sole origin. Some work done on genetic mutation suggests our own indigenous population may also have something to say about the origins of man. I believe the picture is far less clear cut than mainstream academia would suggest and it is more up-for-grabs with every passing discovery.
I am keeping an open mind on this topic - it is a wait and see.
Not sure what racism has to do with this but it undermines your argument- it's totally unnecessary.

 

[RoundCubic]

I think it is very easy to be dismissive but new discoveries should be evaluated objectively on their merit without bias. Some of the genetic marker work I have read on Africans, Europeans and Asians also suggests Africa may not be the sole origin. Some work done on genetic mutation suggests our own indigenous population may also have something to say about the origins of man. I believe the picture is far less clear cut than mainstream academia would suggest and it is more up-for-grabs with every passing discovery.
I am keeping an open mind on this topic - it is a wait and see.
Not sure what racism has to do with this but it undermines your argument- it's totally unnecessary.

The racism is the reason the Chinese government has pushed this theory and why the science is so faulty because they started with a conclusion.
The Chinese gov have linked the idea of a unique Chinese evolution to justify the autocratic government. Arguing that Chinese people evolved differently and thus have a different nature not suited to democracy and pre-1990's capitalism its state propaganda

 

[RoundCubic]

I don't understand what you mean about aboriginal people and evolution there are no fossil record of pre-homo sapiens in Australia. Aboriginal people were just an amazing nomadic culture that followed the coastal areas down Asia minor to Australia maybe a 100,000 years ago

 

[Gangnam Saint]

The racism is the reason the Chinese government has pushed this theory and why the science is so faulty because they started with a conclusion.
The Chinese gov have linked the idea of a unique Chinese evolution to justify the autocratic government. Arguing that Chinese people evolved differently and thus have a different nature not suited to democracy and pre-1990's capitalism its state propaganda

If the totality of your argument is: here is the mainstream view and anyone who says something different is an entho-facist racist, then I have stopped listening.
Where have I heard that before? hmmm...

 

[RoundCubic]

If the totality of your argument is: here is the mainstream view and anyone who says something different is an entho-facist racist, then I have stopped listening.
Where have I heard that before? hmmm...

Your replies indicate you were never listening.

I responded to the merit of the article and gave context to the Chinese governments interest in a theory of human evolution that is not supported by evidence.

How would you describe the modern Chinese state.

Fascism is an authoritarian non-democratic dictatorial form of government that suppresses opposition, controls industry, is nationalist and attacks minorities while espousing its own cultural/racial superiority. that sounds like the current Chinese government to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Asia_theory
"One of the last advocates of the out of Asia theory was Jia Lanpo who argued that the cradle of humanity had been in Southwest China, up until his death in 2001. Scholar Sigrid Schmalzer in her book The People's Peking man claims the only modern advocates of the out of Asia theory have their beliefs firmly rooted in Chinese Nationalism.[19]" Most articles including the one you posted notes the politics of the out of Asia theory and its links to Chinese nationalism.

As I said before there is evidence that as Homo Sapiens exited Africa there was some interbreeding with Neanderthals and maybe other post-Homo Heidelbergensis groups such as the Denisovans but they were only separated from Homo Sapiens by a few 100,000 years and would only make up a tiny amount of any persons DNA. Those groups did not evolve separately from a Homo Erectus ancestor a million plus years ago but a much later common ancestor and that a european with 2% Neanderthal DNA is not 2% different from an African as the Neanderthal came from a close ancestor meaning almost all of that 2% would be the same as a Homo Sapiens as if it was the difference it would be less likely to be fertile.

 

[Gangnam Saint]

Your replies indicate you were never listening.

I responded to the merit of the article and gave context to the Chinese governments interest in a theory of human evolution that is not supported by evidence.

How would you describe the modern Chinese state.

Fascism is an authoritarian non-democratic dictatorial form of government that suppresses opposition, controls industry, is nationalist and attacks minorities while espousing its own cultural/racial superiority. that sounds like the current Chinese government to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Out_of_Asia_theory
"One of the last advocates of the out of Asia theory was Jia Lanpo who argued that the cradle of humanity had been in Southwest China, up until his death in 2001. Scholar Sigrid Schmalzer in her book The People's Peking man claims the only modern advocates of the out of Asia theory have their beliefs firmly rooted in Chinese Nationalism.[19]" Most articles including the one you posted notes the politics of the out of Asia theory and its links to Chinese nationalism.

As I said before there is evidence that as Homo Sapiens exited Africa there was some interbreeding with Neanderthals and maybe other post-Homo Heidelbergensis groups such as the Denisovans but they were only separated from Homo Sapiens by a few 100,000 years and would only make up a tiny amount of any persons DNA. Those groups did not evolve separately from a Homo Erectus ancestor a million plus years ago but a much later common ancestor and that a european with 2% Neanderthal DNA is not 2% different from an African as the Neanderthal came from a close ancestor meaning almost all of that 2% would be the same as a Homo Sapiens as if it was the difference it would be less likely to be fertile.

You realise the thesis was posited to the New Scientist by a non-Chinese researcher from Texas A&M University? But someehow you have turned this into a rant about Chinese state propoganda. Think you might have totally lost sight of the point. I actually want to know more about the skull and how the researchers came to their conclusion. I prefer to focus on discerning the facts rather than unsubstantiated accusations with quotes from wikipedia.

Thanks for the explanation of what is an authoritarian state. Given I live in China I suspect I am better placed than most on how the government here operates. Peace out.

 

[VDS66]

Scientific evidence shows that a Neanderthal in Sicily cross mated with a donkey... which explains a lot about my family and me.

 

[RoundCubic]

You realise the thesis was posited to the New Scientist by a non-Chinese researcher from Texas A&M University? But someehow you have turned this into a rant about Chinese state propoganda. Think you might have totally lost sight of the point. I actually want to know more about the skull and how the researchers came to their conclusion. I prefer to focus on discerning the facts rather than unsubstantiated accusations with quotes from wikipedia.

Thanks for the explanation of what is an authoritarian state. Given I live in China I suspect I am better placed than most on how the government here operates. Peace out.

I am interested in how you feel the Chinese government does not fit the model of a fascist state

the independent article "researchers Xinzhi Wu of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and Sheela Athreya of Texas A&M University"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/

How China Is Rewriting the Book on Human Origins

"But the continuity-with-hybridization model is countered by overwhelming genetic data that point to Africa as the wellspring of modern humans. Studies of Chinese populations show that 97.4% of their genetic make-up is from ancestral modern humans from Africa, with the rest coming from extinct forms such as Neanderthals and Denisovans. “If there had been significant contributions from Chinese H. erectus, they would show up in the genetic data,” says Li Hui, a population geneticist at Fudan University in Shanghai. Wu counters that the genetic contribution from archaic hominins in China could have been missed because no DNA has yet been recovered from them.

Many researchers say that there are ways to explain the existing Asian fossils without resorting to continuity with hybridization. The Zhirendong hominins, for instance, could represent an exodus of early modern humans from Africa between 120,000 and 80,000 years ago. Instead of remaining in the Levant in the Middle East, as was thought previously, these people could have expanded into east Asia, says Michael Petraglia, an archaeologist at the University of Oxford, UK."

 

[Gangnam Saint]

I am interested in how you feel the Chinese government does not fit the model of a fascist state

the independent article "researchers Xinzhi Wu of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and Sheela Athreya of Texas A&M University"

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-china-is-rewriting-the-book-on-human-origins/

How China Is Rewriting the Book on Human Origins

"But the continuity-with-hybridization model is countered by overwhelming genetic data that point to Africa as the wellspring of modern humans. Studies of Chinese populations show that 97.4% of their genetic make-up is from ancestral modern humans from Africa, with the rest coming from extinct forms such as Neanderthals and Denisovans. “If there had been significant contributions from Chinese H. erectus, they would show up in the genetic data,” says Li Hui, a population geneticist at Fudan University in Shanghai. Wu counters that the genetic contribution from archaic hominins in China could have been missed because no DNA has yet been recovered from them.

Many researchers say that there are ways to explain the existing Asian fossils without resorting to continuity with hybridization. The Zhirendong hominins, for instance, could represent an exodus of early modern humans from Africa between 120,000 and 80,000 years ago. Instead of remaining in the Levant in the Middle East, as was thought previously, these people could have expanded into east Asia, says Michael Petraglia, an archaeologist at the University of Oxford, UK."

Still doubling down on this nonsense I see. Here's one of your researchers but I am sure according to you she's just a useful dupe sucked into a vast Chinese government conspiracy to alter the history of the origins of man.
https://anthropology.tamu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2016/07/sheelaathreya.jpg

 

[gringo2011]

I think it is very easy to be dismissive but new discoveries should be evaluated objectively on their merit without bias. Some of the genetic marker work I have read on Africans, Europeans and Asians also suggests Africa may not be the sole origin. Some work done on genetic mutation suggests our own indigenous population may also have something to say about the origins of man. I believe the picture is far less clear cut than mainstream academia would suggest and it is more up-for-grabs with every passing discovery.
I am keeping an open mind on this topic - it is a wait and see.
Not sure what racism has to do with this but it undermines your argument- it's totally unnecessary.

Yeah I read an out of Australia theory aper once. It was fairly convincing. Genome work keeps throwing up surprises like the Denisovan and Neanderthal gens being present in modern humans. 5 years ago Neanderthal were though of as an extinct off branch that never had much to do with each other.

 

[RoundCubic]

Still doubling down on this nonsense I see. Here's one of your researchers but I am sure according to you she's just a useful dupe sucked into a vast Chinese government conspiracy to alter the history of the origins of man.
https://anthropology.tamu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2016/07/sheelaathreya.jpg

I believe that because Athreya has a somewhat aligned but more nuanced view she was invited to examine the skull by Xinzhu Wu who has been the lead pusher of the "Out of Asia" theory since the 1980's the two worked on previous papers along the same lines.

The news article is misleading in that the skull was not lost or in some back room. The scholarly article is simply a charting of Peking mans skull features against other transitional Homonin skulls, it's the same skull that Xu has been presenting since the 80's to make his argument.

Chinese geneticists completed a large genetic survey to examine this theory and found that the DNA evidence supports the "out of africa" theory.

https://www.nature.com/articles/27071
Human evolution: Towards a genetic history of China
Chu and colleagues conclude that “modern humans [that] originated in Africa constitute the majority of the current gene pool in East Asia”, intending to falsify the hypothesis of a continuity of evolution from Homo erectus to anatomically modern humans in East Asia 12.

Then there was this DNA study

A Single Migration From Africa Populated the World, Studies Find

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/22/science/ancient-dna-human-history.html

"In the journal Nature, three separate teams of geneticists survey DNA collected from cultures around the globe, many for the first time, and conclude that all non-Africans today trace their ancestry to a single population emerging from Africa between 50,000 and 80,000 years ago....

Yet there are also clues that at least some modern humans may have departed Africa well before 50,000 years ago, perhaps part of an earlier wave of migration.

Last October, Chinese scientists reported finding teeth belonging to Homo sapiens that are at least 80,000 years old and perhaps as old as 120,000 years.

In 2011, Eske Willerslev, a renowned geneticist at the University of Copenhagen, and his colleagues came across some puzzling clues to the expansion out of Africa by sequencing the genome of an Aboriginal Australian for the first time... a century-old lock of hair... DNA held a number of peculiar variants not found in Europeans or Asians.... Dr. Willerslev... contact living Aboriginals to see if they would participate in a new genetic study.

In collaboration with scientists at the University of Oxford, the researchers also obtained DNA from people in Papua New Guinea. All told, the team was able to sequence 83 genomes from Aboriginal Australians and 25 from people in Papua New Guinea,...Dr. Metspalu and his colleagues found, 98 percent of each person’s DNA can be traced to that single migration from Africa. But the other 2 percent seemed to be much older.

Dr. Metspalu concluded that all people in Papua New Guinea carry a trace of DNA from an earlier wave of Africans who left the continent as long as 140,000 years ago, and then vanished."

The migration of humans out of Africa happened in waves but the majority of what makes up every persons DNA (97-99%) comes from a relatively small group of people who left Africa 80-50,000 years ago and why today the greatest genetic diversity is among African people.

 

[gringo2011]

Scientific evidence shows that a Neanderthal in Sicily cross mated with a donkey... which explains a lot about my family and me.

Neanderthal genes were more present in Croatians and French too. They think some of the ranga gene could have been contributed to as well from them.

 

[gringo2011]

I don't understand what you mean about aboriginal people and evolution there are no fossil record of pre-homo sapiens in Australia. Aboriginal people were just an amazing nomadic culture that followed the coastal areas down Asia minor to Australia maybe a 100,000 years ago

I don't think it is about the direct line, from memory the people who's theory was suggesting it, say it's because as they went north they interbred with earlier human ancestors and it's not present in our indigenous people. Anyway it was something along those lines. Using genetics and what was gathered at different periods that backed their theory. I'm no scientist so don't have a strong belief but it's still very interesting.

 

[CursingFijian]

https://www.sciencealert.com/pacifi...-carrying-the-dna-of-an-unknown-human-species

While you lot argue about that...

Pacific Islanders Appear to Be Carrying The DNA of an Unknown Human Species
A third extinct human relative.

BEC CREW
25 OCT 2016
Hints of an unidentified, extinct human species have been found in the DNA of modern Melanesians - those living in a region of the South Pacific, northeast of Australia.

According to new genetic modelling, the species is unlikely to be Neanderthal or Denisovan - two ancient species that are represented in the fossil record - but could represent a third, unknown human relative that has so far eluded archaeologists.

"We’re missing a population, or we’re misunderstanding something about the relationships," Ryan Bohlender, a statistical geneticist from the University of Texas, told Tina Hesman Saey at Science News.

Bohlender and his team have been investigating the percentages of extinct hominid DNA that modern humans still carry today, and say they’ve found discrepancies in previous analyses that suggest our mingling with Neanderthals and Denisovans isn’t the whole story.

It’s thought that between 100,000 and 60,000 years ago, our early ancestors migrated out of Africa, and first made contact with other hominid species living on the Eurasian landmass.

This contact left a mark on our species that can still be found today, with Europeans and Asians carrying distinct genetic variants of Neanderthal DNA in their own genomes.

And that’s not all they’ve given us.

Earlier this year, researchers investigated certain genetic variants that people of European descent inherited from Neanderthals, and found that they’re associated with several health problems, including a slightly increased risk of depression, heart attack, and a number of skin disorders.

And a separate study published earlier this month found evidence that modern genital warts - otherwise known as the human papillomavirus (HPV) - were sexually transmitted to Homo sapiens after our ancestors slept with Neanderthals and Denisovans once they left Africa.

While our relationship with Neanderthals has been widely researched, how we interacted with the Denisovans - the distant cousins of Neanderthals - is less clear.

The problem is that Neanderthals are well represented in the fossil record, with many remains having been uncovered across Europe and Asia, but all we have of the Denisovans is a lone finger bone and a couple of teeth that were found in a Siberian cave in 2008.

Using a new computer model to figure out the amount of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA carried by modern humans, Bohlender and his colleague found that Europeans and Chinese people carry a similar amount of Neanderthal DNA: about 2.8 percent.

That result is pretty similar to previous studies have estimated that Europeans and Asians carry, on average, between 1.5 and 4 percent Neanderthal DNA.

But when they got to Denisovan DNA, things were a bit more complicated, particularly when it came to modern populations living in Melanesia - a region of the South Pacific that includes Vanuatu, the Solomon Islands, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, New Caledonia, West Papua, and the Maluku Islands.

As Hesman Saey explains for Science News:

"Europeans have no hint of Denisovan ancestry, and people in China have a tiny amount - 0.1 percent, according to Bohlender’s calculations. But 2.74 percent of the DNA in people in Papua New Guinea comes from Neanderthals.

And Bohlender estimates the amount of Denisovan DNA in Melanesians is about 1.11 percent, not the 3 to 6 percent estimated by other researchers.

While investigating the Denisovan discrepancy, Bohlender and colleagues came to the conclusion that a third group of hominids may have bred with the ancestors of Melanesians."

"Human history is a lot more complicated than we thought it was," he told her.

This find is supported by a separate study by researchers from the Natural History Museum of Denmark, who analysed DNA from 83 Aboriginal Australians and 25 locals from the Papua New Guinea highlands.

As we reported last month, this was the most comprehensive genetic study of Indigenous Australians to date, and it indicated that they are the oldest continuous civilisation on Earth, dating back more than 50,000 years ago.

But the results revealed something else - DNA that was very similar to that of the Denisovans, but distinct enough for the researchers to suggest that it could have come from a third, unidentified hominid.

"Who this group is we don’t know," lead researcher Eske Willerslev told Hesman Saey.

Until we have more concrete evidence of this hypothesised third human species (some fossils would be nice), we can’t prove this, and we should point out that Bohlender's estimates have yet to be formally peer-reviewed, so they might shift with further scrutiny.

And it could be that our identification of Denisovan DNA is more ambiguous than we think, given that our only source is a finger bone and a couple of teeth.

But the evidence is mounting that our interactions with ancient humans were far more complex than we'd assumed, which shouldn't be much of a surprise, when you think about it.

Just because we don't see them in the fossil record doesn't mean they didn't exist - preserving the remains of something for tens of thousands of years isn't easy, and then someone has to be in the right place at the right time to dig them up.

Hopefully, the more we investigate the genetic make-up of our most ancient societies, the more hints we'll get of the rich and complicated history our species shared with those that didn't make it to modern times.

The results of Bohlender's analysis were presented last week at the 2016 American Society of Human Genetics meeting in Canada.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-...s-pacific-islanders-analysis-suggests/7968950

 

[Gangnam Saint]

https://www.sciencealert.com/pacifi...-carrying-the-dna-of-an-unknown-human-species

While you lot argue about that...

Pacific Islanders Appear to Be Carrying The DNA of an Unknown Human Species
A third extinct human relative.

BEC CREW
25 OCT 2016
Hints of an unidentified, extinct human species have been found in the DNA of modern Melanesians - those living in a region of the South Pacific, northeast of Australia.

According to new genetic modelling, the species is unlikely to be Neanderthal or Denisovan - two ancient species that are represented in the fossil record - but could represent a third, unknown human relative that has so far eluded archaeologists.

"We’re missing a population, or we’re misunderstanding something about the relationships," Ryan Bohlender, a statistical geneticist from the University of Texas, told Tina Hesman Saey at Science News.

Bohlender and his team have been investigating the percentages of extinct hominid DNA that modern humans still carry today, and say they’ve found discrepancies in previous analyses that suggest our mingling with Neanderthals and Denisovans isn’t the whole story.

It’s thought that between 100,000 and 60,000 years ago, our early ancestors migrated out of Africa, and first made contact with other hominid species living on the Eurasian landmass.

This contact left a mark on our species that can still be found today, with Europeans and Asians carrying distinct genetic variants of Neanderthal DNA in their own genomes.

And that’s not all they’ve given us.

Earlier this year, researchers investigated certain genetic variants that people of European descent inherited from Neanderthals, and found that they’re associated with several health problems, including a slightly increased risk of depression, heart attack, and a number of skin disorders.

And a separate study published earlier this month found evidence that modern genital warts - otherwise known as the human papillomavirus (HPV) - were sexually transmitted to Homo sapiens after our ancestors slept with Neanderthals and Denisovans once they left Africa.

While our relationship with Neanderthals has been widely researched, how we interacted with the Denisovans - the distant cousins of Neanderthals - is less clear.

The problem is that Neanderthals are well represented in the fossil record, with many remains having been uncovered across Europe and Asia, but all we have of the Denisovans is a lone finger bone and a couple of teeth that were found in a Siberian cave in 2008.

Using a new computer model to figure out the amount of Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA carried by modern humans, Bohlender and his colleague found that Europeans and Chinese people carry a similar amount of Neanderthal DNA: about 2.8 percent.

That result is pretty similar to previous studies have estimated that Europeans and Asians carry, on average, between 1.5 and 4 percent Neanderthal DNA.

But when they got to Denisovan DNA, things were a bit more complicated, particularly when it came to modern populations living in Melanesia - a region of the South Pacific that includes Vanuatu, the Solomon Islands, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, New Caledonia, West Papua, and the Maluku Islands.

As Hesman Saey explains for Science News:

"Europeans have no hint of Denisovan ancestry, and people in China have a tiny amount - 0.1 percent, according to Bohlender’s calculations. But 2.74 percent of the DNA in people in Papua New Guinea comes from Neanderthals.

And Bohlender estimates the amount of Denisovan DNA in Melanesians is about 1.11 percent, not the 3 to 6 percent estimated by other researchers.

While investigating the Denisovan discrepancy, Bohlender and colleagues came to the conclusion that a third group of hominids may have bred with the ancestors of Melanesians."

"Human history is a lot more complicated than we thought it was," he told her.

This find is supported by a separate study by researchers from the Natural History Museum of Denmark, who analysed DNA from 83 Aboriginal Australians and 25 locals from the Papua New Guinea highlands.

As we reported last month, this was the most comprehensive genetic study of Indigenous Australians to date, and it indicated that they are the oldest continuous civilisation on Earth, dating back more than 50,000 years ago.

But the results revealed something else - DNA that was very similar to that of the Denisovans, but distinct enough for the researchers to suggest that it could have come from a third, unidentified hominid.

"Who this group is we don’t know," lead researcher Eske Willerslev told Hesman Saey.

Until we have more concrete evidence of this hypothesised third human species (some fossils would be nice), we can’t prove this, and we should point out that Bohlender's estimates have yet to be formally peer-reviewed, so they might shift with further scrutiny.

And it could be that our identification of Denisovan DNA is more ambiguous than we think, given that our only source is a finger bone and a couple of teeth.

But the evidence is mounting that our interactions with ancient humans were far more complex than we'd assumed, which shouldn't be much of a surprise, when you think about it.

Just because we don't see them in the fossil record doesn't mean they didn't exist - preserving the remains of something for tens of thousands of years isn't easy, and then someone has to be in the right place at the right time to dig them up.

Hopefully, the more we investigate the genetic make-up of our most ancient societies, the more hints we'll get of the rich and complicated history our species shared with those that didn't make it to modern times.

The results of Bohlender's analysis were presented last week at the 2016 American Society of Human Genetics meeting in Canada.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-...s-pacific-islanders-analysis-suggests/7968950

Spot on. Picture is changing by the day.

 

[RoundCubic]

I don't think it is about the direct line, from memory the people who's theory was suggesting it, say it's because as they went north they interbred with earlier human ancestors and it's not present in our indigenous people. Anyway it was something along those lines. Using genetics and what was gathered at different periods that backed their theory. I'm no scientist so don't have a strong belief but it's still very interesting.

Yep thats in the article i posted above there were early waves of Homo Sapiens who migrated out of Africa around 120,000 years ago then the wave that emerged 50,000-80,000 absorbed these populations into their groups and today they make up a small part of the DNA of Aboriginal peoples.

There was also even earlier migrations out of Africa of Homo Heidelergensis 400,000 years ago that developed in to the Neanderthals and the Denisovans who were absorbed into eurasians DNA by the later Homo Sapien migrants

That is different to the argument made in the article that was originally posted that argued a separate evolution of humans from Homo Erectus in China starting 1.2million years ago the problem with this theory is it is completely unsupported by genetics and relies on a few skeletal remains alone and has been generally viewed as part of Chinese nationalist propaganda since it was abandoned by most western scientists in the 1950's

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

Pacific Islanders Appear to Be Carrying The DNA of an Unknown Human Species


I've got a couple of Moari mates.
Boy o boy I'm gonna have some fun with that headline

 

[gringo2011]

Pacific Islanders Appear to Be Carrying The DNA of an Unknown Human Species


I've got a couple of Moari mates.
Boy o boy I'm gonna have some fun with that headline

Yeah I didn't mind showing my wife the Croatian neanderthal link, she thinks I'm the caveman.

 

[VDS66]

Neanderthal genes were more present in Croatians and French too. They think some of the ranga gene could have been contributed to as well from them.

Some would argue they still are...

 

[sunny3193]

Ridiculous.
Hun is promoting tomorrow’s Black Friday sales.
In a country that does not celebrate Thanksgiving.....
Typically Murdoch.

(And for those of you blissfully unaware of what I’m taking about: Thanksgiving is today, Thursday. Tomorrow, ie: Friday, the stores open in the States with big sales thus the term “Black Friday”)

 

[StFly]

Ridiculous.
Hun is promoting tomorrow’s Black Friday sales.
In a country that does not celebrate Thanksgiving.....
Typically Murdoch.

(And for those of you blissfully unaware of what I’m taking about: Thanksgiving is today, Thursday. Tomorrow, ie: Friday, the stores open in the States with big sales thus the term “Black Friday”)

I take it you've not heard any of our adverts.

As it's not just the papers doing the Black Friday thing sales wise.

 

[gringo2011]

Ridiculous.
Hun is promoting tomorrow’s Black Friday sales.
In a country that does not celebrate Thanksgiving.....
Typically Murdoch.

(And for those of you blissfully unaware of what I’m taking about: Thanksgiving is today, Thursday. Tomorrow, ie: Friday, the stores open in the States with big sales thus the term “Black Friday”)

I take it you've not heard any of our adverts.

As it's not just the papers doing the Black Friday thing sales wise.

Thanks guys, I was wondering why we were having a sale named after what sounded like a bush fire. I thought it must have been where someone drove around pinching shit from peoples houses after the fires and selling it all on eBay.

 

[StFly]

Thanks guys, I was wondering why we were having a sale named after what sounded like a bush fire. I thought it must have been where someone drove around pinching shit from peoples houses after the fires and selling it all on eBay.

Unfortunately not, we've had shit in the works since September for this day, it's utterly stupid and causes nothing but undue headaches for all involved and I am sick and tired of people asking where their shit is because they're the ones that delayed the stock almost 3 months for a goddamn imaginary Friday day. No doubt I'll rock up to work tomorrow and be asked why their shit is in certain shit and possibly missing things because reading comprehension is above your average retail worker to note that perhaps GB in country means Great Britain instead of get bent and don't read.

Because shock horror, that counts as English you uncouth yobbbos.

That being said, if you want a hammer drill, tomorrow you can get one kinda cheap FWIW.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

Scientific evidence shows that a Neanderthal in Sicily cross mated with a donkey... which explains a lot about my family and me.

Probably explains why youve got such a hairy ass

 

[sunny3193]

I take it you've not heard any of our adverts.

As it's not just the papers doing the Black Friday thing sales wise.

Nuh.
No idea.
I live in a happy place.
StFly doing specials tomorrow?
Come on down!!!!