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Hello Sweet FA,

If you've been paying attention to the league lately I'm sure you'll notice how lately the place has become a bit of cesspit and there are arguments everywhere about why the Sweet FA is shit, how it should be, why people are unhappy, who is to blame yada yada yada... So it's got me thinking about why exactly is it that people aren't enjoying their time here. The best way in this case to get my thoughts across is probably to post a long-winded stream of consciousness rant, traditionally made by Noobz0r but seeing as he now plays for the Gumbies he will never make a meaningful contribution to the league again. Anyway, I've acquired his desk now so away we go.

First of all, simply by looking through some of the media thread pages currently on the first page there seems to be the same old argument shit fight repeating itself as it has the entire season; which is the "Boys Club" vs some kind of coalition of "Anti-Boys Club" groups consisting of Gentlemen's Club members, league veterans, newer less established posters, Baghdad Bombers players. Both sides of this shit fight can pretty much be summarised as:
> Anti-BC - 'the BC clique are too exclusive/antagonistic/chummy with each other/elitist/arrogant/hivemind/come to each other's defence/have control over the league'
> BC - 'the ABC are paranoid/oversensitive/can't handle fantasy/take things too seriously/create anti-BC narrative/gullible/boring "wet blankets" who should leave'​
And this garbage argument is spanning across multiple threads, and it's always the same thing being said, nothing new comes of it. Everyone involved is trying to attribute blame to someone else for their enjoyment of the league dropping off, and this negative sentiment extends to PMs as well and I've been involved in a few with people from both sides. The problem with this attitude is that blaming others does not contribute anything towards making the SFA better. All it does is provide an excuse not to do anything to improve the situation and creates a cycle of people blaming others who blame others and expect someone else to fix the place and in the end no one does.

What I think is the real problem of the league at the moment is simply one thing. Whining. There is too much whining going on. People complain about exclusive cliques, shitposting newer posters, antagonism going too far, people being too sensitive and taking it too seriously. If these are truly the reasons the league is no longer enjoyable then we should fold the SFA and give up because we're never fixing these. Hypothetically if we get rid of the Boys Club some new clique will take their place, if we get rid of the shitposting rookies new rookies spammy rookies will come in and shitpost the next season and the same goes for flogs who take things too far, and sooks who take things too seriously. This is not the first season the league has seen these issues, it won't be the last.

If these kinds of issues have existed in previous seasons, why has it gotten so bad now? I theorise that the answer is quite simple here in that people have simply gotten lazy. Previously we've had cliques, shitposting rookies, flogs who go too far, and sooks who take things too seriously. But they were always an afterthought because we were busy focusing our attention on quality match thread banter, interviews, rankings threads, new storylines, news articles, Team of the Week etc. There were a lot more better things to talk about, but a lot of the contributors that make these sorts of things of dropped off this season (me included, didn't help that I let "Qooty Stars React..." fall flat on its face, but hopefully I'll get a couple more done during finals) and instead these perennial negative issues have taken up the spotlight. This is bound to have a draining effect on enjoyment, here's a PM post from a Swamprat player
"In all honesty, this will probably be my last season in the SFA. For me, the SFA has always been about just taking the piss and having a laugh. A place where nothing should be taken seriously and you can just enjoy yourself. But reading through pages of pointless bickering is becoming very tedious and a waste of time tbh."

So what exactly should we do about the current climate of the league? I feel we need to get back to making contributions instead of whining and this will require an attitude shift from the entire league. Opposing factions need to put aside differences and start adding something. At the end of the day we're all here for fun, enjoyment, a bit of escapism perhaps and we'd all be better off if the SFA is happier place. Rodney's light-hearted thread, dogs' nice guys thread, or thought provoking ideas like Juggs' relegation concept are steps in the right direction. A few more suggestions for good thread concepts could include:
  • a mock All-SFA team to create debate over who's worthy of nomination/selection
  • Mobbs Medal and Finals previews (safe bet for any newer posters looking to get into media)
  • core posters rankings thread (recycled idea but been a few seasons since we've had it so should be fresh)
  • a media thread for a compilation of witty, humorous, quality match thread posts to gain greater audience
  • Interview this season's rookies, get their perspective on their first season experiences in the league
In any case, that's the end of this rant for me. If you were looking for a TL;DR my thoughts could be summarised in the next sentence.

The true problem plaguing the SFA is the amount of whining, if we want the league to improve we need to contribute more, complain less and come together instead of staying divided.

Yours faithfully,

Cloud_
 
Hello Sweet FA,

If you've been paying attention to the league lately I'm sure you'll notice how lately the place has become a bit of cesspit and there are arguments everywhere about why the Sweet FA is shit, how it should be, why people are unhappy, who is to blame yada yada yada... So it's got me thinking about why exactly is it that people aren't enjoying their time here. The best way in this case to get my thoughts across is probably to post a long-winded stream of consciousness rant, traditionally made by Noobz0r but seeing as he now plays for the Gumbies he will never make a meaningful contribution to the league again. Anyway, I've acquired his desk now so away we go.

First of all, simply by looking through some of the media thread pages currently on the first page there seems to be the same old argument shit fight repeating itself as it has the entire season; which is the "Boys Club" vs some kind of coalition of "Anti-Boys Club" groups consisting of Gentlemen's Club members, league veterans, newer less established posters, Baghdad Bombers players. Both sides of this shit fight can pretty much be summarised as:
> Anti-BC - 'the BC clique are too exclusive/antagonistic/chummy with each other/elitist/arrogant/hivemind/come to each other's defence/have control over the league'
> BC - 'the ABC are paranoid/oversensitive/can't handle fantasy/take things too seriously/create anti-BC narrative/gullible/boring "wet blankets" who should leave'​
And this garbage argument is spanning across multiple threads, and it's always the same thing being said, nothing new comes of it. Everyone involved is trying to attribute blame to someone else for their enjoyment of the league dropping off, and this negative sentiment extends to PMs as well and I've been involved in a few with people from both sides. The problem with this attitude is that blaming others does not contribute anything towards making the SFA better. All it does is provide an excuse not to do anything to improve the situation and creates a cycle of people blaming others who blame others and expect someone else to fix the place and in the end no one does.

What I think is the real problem of the league at the moment is simply one thing. Whining. There is too much whining going on. People complain about exclusive cliques, shitposting newer posters, antagonism going too far, people being too sensitive and taking it too seriously. If these are truly the reasons the league is no longer enjoyable then we should fold the SFA and give up because we're never fixing these. Hypothetically if we get rid of the Boys Club some new clique will take their place, if we get rid of the shitposting rookies new rookies spammy rookies will come in and shitpost the next season and the same goes for flogs who take things too far, and sooks who take things too seriously. This is not the first season the league has seen these issues, it won't be the last.

If these kinds of issues have existed in previous seasons, why has it gotten so bad now? I theorise that the answer is quite simple here in that people have simply gotten lazy. Previously we've had cliques, shitposting rookies, flogs who go too far, and sooks who take things too seriously. But they were always an afterthought because we were busy focusing our attention on quality match thread banter, interviews, rankings threads, new storylines, news articles, Team of the Week etc. There were a lot more better things to talk about, but a lot of the contributors that make these sorts of things of dropped off this season (me included, didn't help that I let "Qooty Stars React..." fall flat on its face, but hopefully I'll get a couple more done during finals) and instead these perennial negative issues have taken up the spotlight. This is bound to have a draining effect on enjoyment, here's a PM post from a Swamprat player
"In all honesty, this will probably be my last season in the SFA. For me, the SFA has always been about just taking the piss and having a laugh. A place where nothing should be taken seriously and you can just enjoy yourself. But reading through pages of pointless bickering is becoming very tedious and a waste of time tbh."

So what exactly should we do about the current climate of the league? I feel we need to get back to making contributions instead of whining and this will require an attitude shift from the entire league. Opposing factions need to put aside differences and start adding something. At the end of the day we're all here for fun, enjoyment, a bit of escapism perhaps and we'd all be better off if the SFA is happier place. Rodney's light-hearted thread, dogs' nice guys thread, or thought provoking ideas like Juggs' relegation concept are steps in the right direction. A few more suggestions for good thread concepts could include:
  • a mock All-SFA team to create debate over who's worthy of nomination/selection
  • Mobbs Medal and Finals previews (safe bet for any newer posters looking to get into media)
  • core posters rankings thread (recycled idea but been a few seasons since we've had it so should be fresh)
  • a media thread for a compilation of witty, humorous, quality match thread posts to gain greater audience
  • Interview this season's rookies, get their perspective on their first season experiences in the league
In any case, that's the end of this rant for me. If you were looking for a TL;DR my thoughts could be summarised in the next sentence.

The true problem plaguing the SFA is the amount of whining, if we want the league to improve we need to contribute more, complain less and come together instead of staying divided.

Yours faithfully,

Cloud_
The league has become too 'friendly' for want of a better word.

I'm not sure coming together is the answer unless sao is your choice of savoury cracker.

Division is what makes this league thrive.

Run the Boys club out of town and watch the league return to its former glory.
 

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The way I see it is both groups are cut up because the other are mates with each other. You're definitely right about needing to stop whining.
Let’s play spot the BC sympathiser.

There’s an obvious one.
 
Let’s play spot the BC sympathiser.

There’s an obvious one.
I'm not sympathising with anyone. I'm just saying let people be mates, don't overstep any lines and everything will be fine.
 
I ask the mods to remove HaroLad from the league for a few weeks, in that time we'll see if it improves.

Blacky The Filth Wizard Cloud_

I believe that will be the antidote.
 
The way I see it is both groups are cut up because the other are mates with each other. You're definitely right about needing to stop whining.

50% correct.

The "Boys Club" couldn't care less if people are mates with each other. We support friendship.
 

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Which group do I belong to then Cloud_

First of all, simply by looking through some of the media thread pages currently on the first page there seems to be the same old argument shit fight repeating itself as it has the entire season; which is the "Boys Club" vs some kind of coalition of "Anti-Boys Club" groups consisting of Gentlemen's Club members, league veterans, newer less established posters, Baghdad Bombers players. Both sides of this shit fight can pretty much be summarised as:
> Anti-BC - 'the BC clique are too exclusive/antagonistic/chummy with each other/elitist/arrogant/hivemind/come to each other's defence/have control over the league'
> BC - 'the ABC are paranoid/oversensitive/can't handle fantasy/take things too seriously/create anti-BC narrative/gullible/boring "wet blankets" who should leave'​
 

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The Len Pascoes.
I hope this isn’t bigotry aimed at my Yugoslavian background. I’ve tried for years to not let my parents nationality hold me back whilst growing up in regional Western Australia. For you to bring this up is an abhorrent and quite honestly, blatant lack of respect for me and my people. Why don’t you just start calling me “woggy” while you’re at it. I was born in Australia mate and I’m as Aussie as anyone. Now excuse me while I go get my Kappa tracksuit out of the dry cleaners
 
The league has become too 'friendly' for want of a better word.

I'm not sure coming together is the answer unless sao is your choice of savoury cracker.

Division is what makes this league thrive.

Run the Boys club out of town and watch the league return to its former glory.

Not sure if we've ever agreed on anything previously, but we have now*.


*angels singing
 

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