Raves..

[The Starchild]

Fair enough everything both of you have said, it's all opinion and I don't judge you or anyone else good or bad.

One key thing though, most of the E you get these days is crap. I don't care what you say, I've had probably 12-15 E's in my life and none were the same. Some have smack, some are cut with friggin strichnine (sp?) bloody rat poison, some with speed, some with talcumpowder, you just don't know what you're gonna get. If it were legal and you knew exactly what you were getting, it would be a different story.

And Macca you can't deny the effects for someone, even taking it for the first time, in coming down from these types of drugs is extremely powerful and harsh. It's awful, there is no other way to describe it.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by The Starchild

One key thing though, most of the E you get these days is crap. I don't care what you say, I've had probably 12-15 E's in my life and none were the same. Some have smack, some are cut with friggin strichnine (sp?) bloody rat poison, some with speed, some with talcumpowder, you just don't know what you're gonna get.

True, you dont know what youre gonna get. I can say tho that no E is cut using Smack, Coke or Speed. The 'speedy' ones are usually binded with Caffeine or are infact MDA and not MDMA.

The Bull***** myth about Heroin and Coke in E Read this....it should set you straight about what pills are cut with

And Macca you can't deny the effects for someone, even taking it for the first time, in coming down from these types of drugs is extremely powerful and harsh. It's awful, there is no other way to describe it.

Yes it is very bad....thats why you research, speak to people and do the right things as your coming down. A come down can be a wonderful experience in itself if you do the right things. There are some tablets you can take which will take away any negative thoughts while your coming down which will make it an enjoyable experience, and not a harsh one.
Ill say again - take precautions, be careful, and do the right things and youll have a great time.

 

[glenferrie boy]

Originally posted by The Starchild

One key thing though, most of the E you get these days is crap. I don't care what you say, I've had probably 12-15 E's in my life and none were the same. Some have smack, some are cut with friggin strichnine (sp?) bloody rat poison, some with speed, some with talcumpowder, you just don't know what you're gonna get. If it were legal and you knew exactly what you were getting, it would be a different story.

You are completely right. However rumours start up on what goes into pills. The truth is that only the people who make them actually know what is going in. The reason for this is that there is so much money to be made from selling pills that they save money by using cheap alternatives. Its a risk that people take when they take them.

And Macca you can't deny the effects for someone, even taking it for the first time, in coming down from these types of drugs is extremely powerful and harsh. It's awful, there is no other way to describe it.

Coming down has never been an issue for me, or the majority of my friends, it depends how you relax the next day and what you do. Coming down isn't extremely powerful, those TV ads exaggerate way too much. It can actually be enjoyable.

 

[TigerTank]

Originally posted by Macca19

Yes it is very bad....thats why you research, speak to people and do the right things ...

If you did your research and did the right things, you wouldn't use drugs like ecstacy or speed.

You can try to justify it all you like but using drugs is a poor decision any way you look at it. In no way is it worth the risk.

And that "you haven't tried it so you don't know" routine doesn't work on me - You don't have to try heroin to work out it will f#ck your life.

 

[glenferrie boy]

Originally posted by Macca19

A come down can be a wonderful experience in itself if you do the right things.

Is there an echo on this board??

 

[The Starchild]

Originally posted by TigerTank


If you did your research and did the right things, you wouldn't use drugs like ecstacy or speed.

You can try to justify it all you like but using drugs is a poor decision any way you look at it. In no way is it worth the risk.

And that "you haven't tried it so you don't know" routine doesn't work on me - You don't have to try heroin to work out it will f#ck your life.

Not judging or taking sides, but I sortof subscribe to the theory that you live once and so should try everything you feel like trying whether that be drugs, swimming with sharks, skydiving, whatever. It's all about getting a rush, feeling alive. Not everyone lives for a rush obviously Gav, doesn't make anyone better or worse though if they want to try doing those things.

In fact, when I finally come to my dying day (which ALL of us on this board are going to come to one day), I think I'd like to be able to say I experienced just about every god-damn thing this magnificent world has to offer.

That, by the way, is the exact essence of why I travel.

 

[TigerTank]

Originally posted by Macca19


The Bull***** myth about Heroin and Coke in E Read this....it should set you straight about what pills are cut with ...

Who is "Kyk" and why should I/you/we believe a f#cking word he says??

 

[gPhonque]

HEY BEE - YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS HAD THEIR HOUSE BROKEN INTO BY SMACKIES. GET OVER YOURSELF.

And remember - according to you, drugs is drugs. That must mean that since you drink, you are also going to turn to heroin, just like the arseholes who broke into your house.

After all, drugs is drugs......recreational or not, right?

And Bee, answer this - What is the difference between legal and illegal drugs?

Do you consider your alcohol use "responsible use"???

What about people who use drugs RESPONSIBLY? Why are they any different to you? Or TigerTank?

You both take drugs, do you not?

Yet you both seem to think that anybody who uses 'drugs' will eventually turn to smack and get shot trying to rob your house.

I find that completely insulting.

Can i also assume that you don't listen to any Beatles? Or Beach Boys? Or any other artist that has used drugs to give them a different perspective on their art?

Christ - the Beatles in their heyday probably used more drugs in a week than any of us would in our lives. And how many houses did Paul McCartney rob?

What about John Lennon?

Until people such as yourselves actually wake up and realise that the MAJORITY of people who use drugs do so responsibly, then i'm going to have to live in fear of the fact that i could be labelled a "criminal" purely for smoking the occasional joint, or enjoying the occasional E.

TigerTank - Apart from the legal side of things, what is the difference in your right to own a firearm (or 100) VS my right to enjoy the occasional drug (or 100) in my own home?

You're not hurting me - i'm not hurting you......?

originally posted by TigerTank
Also, drug users must accept full responsibility for home invasion and other crimes to fund their drug use: that is, if they break into my home and I blow them away with a rifle defending my property and family, it is their responsibility.

Oh, for Christs sake! Fuuck you and your generalizations!

I guess that since you own a firearm, that means you'll inevitably turn to mass murder?

I thought you had a bit more sense than to make pathetic generalizations like that.

(mind you, i agree with your point. I just don't see how it's relevant to anything in this thread.)

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by The Starchild
Not judging or taking sides, but I sortof subscribe to the theory that you live once and so should try everything you feel like trying whether that be drugs, swimming with sharks, skydiving,

murder, rape, theft, arson, peodophelia, terrorism etc etc etc....

 

[glenferrie boy]

Originally posted by TigerTank


If you did your research and did the right things, you wouldn't use drugs like ecstacy or speed.

You can try to justify it all you like but using drugs is a poor decision any way you look at it. In no way is it worth the risk.

And that "you haven't tried it so you don't know" routine doesn't work on me - You don't have to try heroin to work out it will f#ck your life.

TT i agree that drugs are bad for you.. any fool knows that. But so is smoking and so is drinking.. etc.. You say it is not worth the risk. Its not worth the risk for you. People have different risk preferences. Some people choose not to cross the road unless at a crossing, some people choose not to invest in shares - too risky - most people don't smoke, too risky. There isn't one right or wrong risk strategy out there. It is up to the individual. It's a risk that I am occasionally prepared to take.

If you are not, then good on you.

 

[gPhonque]

Originally posted by Dave


murder, rape, theft, arson, peodophelia, terrorism etc etc etc....

No Dave.

Don't tell me you're unable to see the difference in those things and responsible drug use?

Think about it.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by gPhonque
And Bee, answer this - What is the difference between legal and illegal drugs?

The same difference between anything legal and illegal. We as a society have deemed that the illegal ones are harmful to our continued existance and therefore their use should be curtailed.
In some cases this may be valid, in others not, though at the end of the day if you choose to ignore the law and use them you must also take the consequences that come with doing so.

What about people who use drugs RESPONSIBLY? Why are they any different to you? Or TigerTank?

I would argue that some drugs cannot be used RESPONSIBLY.

Until people such as yourselves actually wake up and realise that the MAJORITY of people who use drugs do so responsibly,

What was it you said to TT, "Oh, for Christs sake! Fuuck you and your generalizations!", yet here you aren't above using one! Where is your evidence that the "MAJORITY of people who use drugs do so responsibly"?

 

[The Starchild]

Originally posted by Dave


murder, rape, theft, arson, peodophelia, terrorism etc etc etc....

Jeez fair dinkum Dave, have you ever posted a more ridiculous post?

Ok, I will qualify my post by adding, "as long as you aren't hurting anyone else".

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Dave

What was it you said to TT, "Oh, for Christs sake! Fuuck you and your generalizations!", yet here you aren't above using one! Where is your evidence that the "MAJORITY of people who use drugs do so responsibly"?

Because the majority of people havent "turned to injecting things up their arms and robbing houses to buy more smack"...If the Majority of people didnt use these drugs responsibly then 3/4 of the world would be on smack and be raving loonies.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Dave


murder, rape, theft, arson, peodophelia, terrorism etc etc etc....

Skydiving and smoking a bong is a bit different to having sex with little boys and blowing up half of Dublin in a terrorist attack isnt it Dave.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by gPhonque
No Dave.

Don't tell me you're unable to see the difference in those things and responsible drug use?

Of course I can, I was highlighting Deej's statement about experiencing everything this life has to offer. Perhaps he meant not quite everything?

Think about it.

I have, and if you do you'll see that my (and others) objection to drug use is no less valid than your (and others) objection to those that I mentioned.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by The Starchild
Jeez fair dinkum Dave, have you ever posted a more ridiculous post?

Probably. I wasn't accusing you of anything Deej, merely highlighting the absudity (all strictly IMHO of course) of your statement

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by TigerTank

Who is "Kyk" and why should I/you/we believe a f#cking word he says??

I dunno who he is...but like anyone who writes an FAQ, im sure they are extremely knowledgable and know what they are talking about.

Is there any evidence to believe otherwise, and that there is Coke and Heroin in these pills??

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Macca19
Skydiving and smoking a bong is a bit different to having sex with little boys and blowing up half of Dublin in a terrorist attack isnt it Dave.

Yeah, relax Macca. Deej justifies drug use on the basis that he wants to try everything that life has to offer. If he has objections to what I meantioned then he obviously doesn't want to try everything life has to offer and his rationale for using drugs must be based on some other reason.

Deej: I'm not having a go at you, it's just an example. If you want to use drugs, go ahead. Just stay out of Bee's house

 

[The Starchild]

Originally posted by Dave


Probably. I wasn't accusing you of anything Deej, merely highlighting the absudity (all strictly IMHO of course) of your statement

Ok, in a certain context you are right.

Can I state that I'm a bit of an anarchist in some ways, I think especially Australian society has far too many rules, but I also understand that there are too many people that would abuse the privelige if those rules were to be relaxed.

It's just my theory in life that you should be allowed to do what you want so long as you aren't hurting or endangering the safety of others, and that includes the use of drugs. Is that better Dave?

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Macca19
Because the majority of people havent "turned to injecting things up their arms and robbing houses to buy more smack"...If the Majority of people didnt use these drugs responsibly then 3/4 of the world would be on smack and be raving loonies.

Where's your proof of that Macca? How many people use these drugs in the first place? What impact does it have on their (and others) lives? Being harmful means more than you go out and rob houses.

I'm not being pig headed here, but I'd like to see the figures on how many people who start off popping pills and smoking dope end up injecting smack etc etc etc.

And before you go off the deep end, I smoked dope at one stage without turning into a raving house robbing loony, so I do know that not everyone end up that way.

 

[The Starchild]

Also I'd like to add, I don't use drugs other than drinking beer which I do cause I like the taste and it's social and fun.

Drugs, harder drugs, I'm finished with.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by The Starchild
Ok, in a certain context you are right.

Can I state that I'm a bit of an anarchist in some ways, I think especially Australian society has far too many rules, but I also understand that there are too many people that would abuse the privelige if those rules were to be relaxed.

Yeah, I'd agree with that.

It's just my theory in life that you should be allowed to do what you want so long as you aren't hurting or endangering the safety of others, and that includes the use of drugs. Is that better Dave?

Live and let live? Pretty reasonable if you ask me Deej. Just a pity about those you mentioned above that spoil it for the rest of us.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Dave

I'm not being pig headed here, but I'd like to see the figures on how many people who start off popping pills and smoking dope end up injecting smack etc etc etc.

I wouldnt mind seeing figures either. I would say it wouldnt be all that high.

 

[TigerTank]

Originally posted by gPhonque
HEY BEE - YOU ARE NOT THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS HAD THEIR HOUSE BROKEN INTO BY SMACKIES. GET OVER YOURSELF.

And remember - according to you, drugs is drugs. That must mean that since you drink, you are also going to turn to heroin, just like the arseholes who broke into your house.

After all, drugs is drugs......recreational or not, right?

And Bee, answer this - What is the difference between legal and illegal drugs?

Do you consider your alcohol use "responsible use"???

What about people who use drugs RESPONSIBLY? Why are they any different to you? Or TigerTank?

You both take drugs, do you not?

Yet you both seem to think that anybody who uses 'drugs' will eventually turn to smack and get shot trying to rob your house.

I find that completely insulting.

Can i also assume that you don't listen to any Beatles? Or Beach Boys? Or any other artist that has used drugs to give them a different perspective on their art?

Christ - the Beatles in their heyday probably used more drugs in a week than any of us would in our lives. And how many houses did Paul McCartney rob?

What about John Lennon?

Until people such as yourselves actually wake up and realise that the MAJORITY of people who use drugs do so responsibly, then i'm going to have to live in fear of the fact that i could be labelled a "criminal" purely for smoking the occasional joint, or enjoying the occasional E.

TigerTank - Apart from the legal side of things, what is the difference in your right to own a firearm (or 100) VS my right to enjoy the occasional drug (or 100) in my own home?

You're not hurting me - i'm not hurting you......?



Oh, for Christs sake! Fuuck you and your generalizations!

I guess that since you own a firearm, that means you'll inevitably turn to mass murder?

I thought you had a bit more sense than to make pathetic generalizations like that.

(mind you, i agree with your point. I just don't see how it's relevant to anything in this thread.)

This is such a wonderfully bizarre post that I have to ask what you were on when you wrote it.