Autopsy Rd 14 Blues go home at half time

[BlueBayou]

Today I think he played better than:
Pitto
Mckay
Tdk
Polson
Levi
Plow
Dow
Gibbo
Doc
Willo
Martin

Other than the first 5 or 10 minutes, I think you are wrong with your list.
Murph was ok till he lost his cool towards Pendles, he went missing after that.

 

[gab213]

This appears to be the same mentality a lot of our players have adopted.
Simply being involved in games is enough

What gave you the idea that I think simply being involved is enough? More than anything I want to see us winning and we seem to be trending towards winning more, aren't we? Are we meant to expect we go from being to wooden spooner to unbeatable within 2 years? I'm a little more realistic than to expect that.

 

[Own The Future]

Something Crippa can work on over summer. Get Dermie or Mathew Lloyd for a few of the boys. I reckon Crippa can and will improve.

FWIW I think his problems are equal parts mental and physical.
He obviously has the yips when kicking for goal, but to my admittedly untrained eye I think he has a groin issue - possibly even OP. He has never been quick, but he almost looks to be running on the spot ATM. His kicks lack penetration, often going as high up as they do in length. I prefer him extracting and dishing out the handball while standing up in the tackle, so the subpar field kicking isn’t as big of an issue for me. But the poor kicking for goal is what keeps him beneath the tier of mids who hit the scoreboard - Dusty, Danger, Bont, etc.
Hoping whatever is the problem can be sorted with a solid offseason.

 

[BlueBayou]

You watch; they'll find a way to suspend him for his bump on Mayne.

Mayne headbutted Crippa's shoulder...3 weeks

 

[BlueBayou]

I said this two years ago, when the conversation was moving it along from Murphy; Cripps is not a leader, not intellectually. He's a force of personality, and he can certainly pull you along with him through force of will, but he's not got the mind for it. He makes it about him, because that's what he's always done; he takes it on himself. It is a style of leadership, but not a great one.

A leader recognises both when they are strong and where they are more limited; they recognise the abilities in others that are in excess of their own, and they use them shorn of ego or pressure. Walsh can do it; Weitering could do it; I used to think Doc could do it, and I still think he'd be a better choice than Cripps.

Part of the problem is that what senior players we do have do not have the right impulses when the goings against us, and for us to even look like winning Cripps and Doc need to be the ones to rise, but neither have the right instincts yet. We need to start winning these close ones, we need to surround them with the right experience who can show them what they need to do, and we need to work on the entire ******* team keeping their heads and contributing when the chips are down. It's natural to drop your head, but we need to cultivate another reaction; a denial of loss so visceral that the very idea is enough to get you breathing fire.

you are in a very good form patch today. Insightful post. You have seen a level of leadership I missed.

I used to think Crippa would make the best captain in the league, leading the boys into the trenches, by example. This year he has made some dreadful mistakes which sap confidence and momentum.

If it were up to me I would makes Cripps sole captain for next year, and Walsh VC. I would tell Crippa his job as Skipper is to help the whole list get better, by using their strengths, not just by showing willpower. Leadership, as you rightly say, is about the collective.

Then again if it were up to me, there would also be a different body in the #3 jumper next year, but that's a different though related discussion.

 

[jj1978]

I’ve gotten more concerned at this as the season‘s progressed. I’ve commented on it previously. I reckon for most of this preseason comp, Crippa‘s been remonstrating with umps and opponents because no one else in the team will do it. It‘s seemed as if he‘s been overcompensating for a bunch of well behaved pacifists.

Yeah a probability... wouldn't surprise me if he asks to get traded to Weagles.. that way all he has to do is fart at Optus Stadium and he'll be awarded a free kick + 50m.

 

[BlueBayou]

I like the idea. He's a better leader because of his judgement; he reads the game and knows when and where to be rather than belting through it. I'd be loathe to do it next year, more the year after, but the sooner we get rid of the dual captains political bullshit - because it's out of a desire to please everyone and avoid getting either Doc or Cripps offside that it is the way it is - the better.

I think it is too early for Walsh to be Captain. The kid has enough on his plate, and there are ego's and pecking orders to be thought about. Let him do a 2 year apprenticeship as VC under Cripps. Let him turn, say 24, and then give him the reigns. He will be a long term leader of the club. No doubt.

 

[Arr0w]

Freo fans now giving us grief about how they are ahead of us. Literally a tabaner injury away from being unable to score

Some really good kids coming through, but when they lose Mundy, Walters, Fyfe, they lose a chunk of class

 

[Gethelred]

Some really good kids coming through, but when they lose Mundy, Walters, Fyfe, they lose a chunk of class

See, between us, St Kilda, Fremantle, Melbourne - the rebuilds that are comparable, in terms of leadership needing to leave compared to Brisbane who are more like GWS and imported their leadership young from other clubs - I think we're borderline in the best position. St Kilda suffered badly when they lost Riewoldt, Montagna etc, and so too will Freo. But the players they lost to retirement were premiership stars and jumpstarters, players whose loss hurt more from knowing how to react when the game was against you and spurring others to respond; we don't get that from Murphy or Simpson. The closest we got to that was Daisy last year under Teague, which is also who I'd have kept instead of Simpson and Murphy.

We're relatively well positioned for our senior retirements compared to how St Kilda were and Fremantle are.

 

[Juddrockz]

Cripps on Mayne was the only time we made them earn it (and let's be honest, that was an accident). With finals on the line.

Exactly this! Another reason Cottrell should have played,the kid shows some grunt! All teams need a few players with some grunt.
Would even be great to see Teague show some emotion now and again.

 

[Arr0w]

Think some posters need to learn how to vent a bit more respectfully, on the other hand too many posters won't let people vent whatsoever. It's an autopsy thread. Let em vent.

Operative being "a game autopsy thread"

Not 20 years since this that and the other. There is a clear reason why a select few only turn up after a lose and spew their crap

 

[gab213]

Bit stiff on Judd, Ratten and Bradley

All great players, none came even close to Kernahan in the leadership stakes.

 

[Juddrockz]

Levi looked cooked yesterday

His been down on form for a few weeks now. Cant stick any marks.

 

[The Grover]

Simple horrifying stat:

Grundy and Adams has 27 contested possessions.

Pittonet and Cripps had 11.

Visualise a fit Kreuzer and Cripps. Such a shame.

The Kreuzer who can’t jump and win hit-outs, and kicks off the ground like an u10’s kid.

We need to stop overrating our players.

 

[HBF]

Kane cornes is a specimen isn’t he. Yet all our fans click and comment on his garbage clickbait articles.

What's that oxygen thief said now.

 

[jj1978]

Oh I forgot about the Plowman one, couldn't believe that one, two blokes try to punch the ball get tangled up and somehow one of them infringed because he checked his surroundings.

You also forgot Jones for getting pinged holding Cox where he wasn't Cox actually got his arms tangled up in Jones' and Jones was trying to free himself.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Do you attack people in the real world because they don’t have the same opinions as you?

Depends on whether they’re acting like entitled little brats or not!
I have a voice and I intend to use it, if you have a problem with that, you’re incapable of seeing the logic fail you’ve presented me.

 

[Macca43]

You also forgot Jones for getting pinged holding Cox where he wasn't Cox actually got his arms tangled up in Jones' and Jones was trying to free himself.

Cox got that free kick because he struggles to stand upright without swaying in the breeze.

TDK and McKay were manhandled much more during the game but were able to stay in the contest without looking like they were trying to attract attention to a used car sale.

 

[HBF]

I don't think Darcy Moore is so carefree when he's standing Charlie in the goal square

That would be some sort of contest.

 

[jj1978]

We continually keep senior players in our teams because we're too young.. I think as the year has progressed we've gone past that and really now don't need those senior players as much anymore. What benefit do we have?

Murphy? how was he ever captain? Never see him guiding or educating on field, or getting involved (even when he was captain Simmo tended to be more spoken)... you see Cripps, Curnow, Walsh having their say and now Weitering doing a lot more down back. Murphy has been in self-preservation mode far too long and it's blatantly obvious.

Eddie - the time has come... yes he has some moments, but too much show pony stuff, and fades for long periods of games.

Simmo - happy to keep on the list for depth and has to earn his spot next year which by his character he will do more often than not.

Kreuzer - hard to know, but if he can hold on physically for another year to give TDK some more time to fill out then a fit Kreuzer over extended data supercedes Pittonet.

I know we're mathematically a chance of finals... but I'd love for Teague to back in a lot of our young blokes this week. No Murphy, Simmo and Betts and one Ruck... bring in Cunningham, Honey, LOB, Kennedy. If TDK is the main Ruck will like Levi to go head to head a bit more if Mumford is in as could virtually guarantee that mongrel will try to snap TDK in two. See how they go with some rejuvinated youth with the purpose to finally stick it up GWS.

 

[spry]

Don’t just want to turn dials for the fun of it, but I can’t help thinking that fish in the guts as opposed to Dow would have helped our clearances.

Suck quick hands it’s unbelievable


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[Own The Future]

I'd answer it this way. It's a general "rule" that most players become comfortable at AFL level once they have 50+ games under their belt. Here is a list of players who are yet to play 50, but are seen as the future of our list

Dow - 41 matches
LOB - 35 matches
Kennedy - 47 matches
McKay - 44 matches
TDK - 6 matches
Stocker - 5 matches
Walsh - 35 matches
Marchbank - 48 matches
Pittonet - 18 matches
Cuningham - 34 matches
Polson - 17 matches
Williamson - 28 matches
Gibbons - 34 matches
Setterfield - 33 matches
Cottrell - 3 games

There's 15 names on that list, and Charlie Curnow has played 58 games so you could almost say 16.
Depending on what we do with our senior players at the end of the year, and how many of these guys play regular footy next year I think we should be pushing for a place in the finals. Alot will also depend on who we trade in the off season.

2021 - We should be looking to play finals.
2022 - Finals is a must with the talent we have on our list

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this is why the continued playing of guys who have (or at least should have) one foot out the door is hurting us.
I think we have enough experience in the middle tier of age/games played (Cripps/Doc/Ed/Levi/LJ/Newnes) to reduce the need for the “old heads” in Simpson/Murphy/Eddie. Need to get that bottom tier up to that 50 game mark ASAP to see if they have what we need.
I don’t advocate the Bolton method of throwing the kids to the wolves and killing their confidence - as I said earlier there are enough older guys to supplement the kids now.
Hoping the club make the tough calls this offseason.


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[FairKouta]

What's that oxygen thief said now.

Bunch ob Bs about aside from walsh n weits all our young players are non improvers

 

[ajb72]

Kudos to Polson for his game on Thomas, who gave Williamson a bath early.

 

[Macca43]

Bunch ob Bs about aside from walsh n weits all our young players are non improvers

As the day has gone on I have noticed that all the pundits who tipped the pies to beat us are now up in arms that Collingwood (without 27 of its best 22) were able to beat us at "close to full strength"

A lot of talk about how the blues weren't up for the fight but no talk about the quality of the game and the fact both teams had more than 60 tackles.