Autopsy Rd 14 Blues go home at half time

[rampar]

Teague presser was less than 2 minutes?

 

[gab213]

As the day has gone on I have noticed that all the pundits who tipped the pies to beat us are now up in arms that Collingwood (without 27 of its best 22) were able to beat us at "close to full strength"

A lot of talk about how the blues weren't up for the fight but no talk about the quality of the game and the fact both teams had more than 60 tackles.

Yeah, to suggest we weren't up for the fight is utter nonsense, both teams were throwing everything they had at each other.

 

[Neese]

Just for those laying into Cripps--he's had some personal stuff lately with his partner being in hospital recently. Can't be easy for him.

and has played with various injuries most of the year.

 

[Macca43]

Yeah, to suggest we weren't up for the fight is utter nonsense, both teams were throwing everything they had at each other.

TO me the third quarter was a bit like rope a dope, we banged away really hammering the Pies defence but at the end of it we had gone backwards by a goal and used up a lot of petrol tickets.

 

[HBF]

Bunch ob Bs about aside from walsh n weits all our young players are non improvers

Lol.
I literally pay no attention to what that guy says.

 

[Michael Jezz]

Have we not improved from last year, and from the year before?

Not on a win loss basis from 2nd half of last yr. The improvement to be in games is not substantial enough to dispel concerns regarding: mental application, big game approach, will to win, leadership, poor midfield & player development

 

[Stamos]

Coaches Votes

7- Taylor Adams (COLL)
6- Jack Crisp (COLL)
6- Darcy Moore (COLL)
4- Brodie Grundy (COLL)
3- Scott Pendlebury (COLL)
2- Josh Thomas (COLL)
2- Samuel Walsh (CARL)

 

[Beast__Mode]

I’m not as down about this as others, maybe not down enough -who knows.

I thought it was a very high pressure contest and probably the first game for many of our team with a lot riding on the outcome beyond singing the song at the end. For large parts of the game I thought we held our own defensively and looked slightly more dangerous going forward - until half way through the 3rd obviously.

Walsh and the key defenders I thought were excellent. Liked Setterfield’s game - he’s settling in to be a very handy inside mid. TDK has it. As long as he’s not red lining with fitness, play him every week. He’s tapping with intent, he’s athletic as all get out, moves well. Great pick SOS.

I’m just going to say it - I don’t see it with Dow. Never really have, and to bring that level of intensity to a game of that magnitude after being out of the team for so long... to me that says a lot. Polson made mistakes but he was playing with clear intent. Dow brought nothing to that game, and to think they dropped Cottrell for him. Unbelievable.

season definitely not over. Beat the Giants and it’s all still to play for.

 

[TheKing101]

Gone from get Cripps help to get Walsh help.


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[Arr0w]

Not on a win loss basis from 2nd half of last yr. The improvement to be in games is not substantial enough to dispel concerns regarding: mental application, big game approach, will to win, leadership, poor midfield & player development

Like the Cats or Dogs games? Come from behind against the Bombers, same as Dockers? Is that not mental strength and application, will to win, leadership? I think what you really want to say is, winning?

For the last time, did you have us in finals this year and if so, why?

 

[Blue since 72]

If you think Tom Papley is the difference, maybe take another look and watch the replay.

Our small forwards in Gibbons, Fisher and Betts were 3 of our better players on the day.

Why would you want to trade away a midfielder for another small forward when we clearly lost the battle in the midfield and in defense?

If the midfield are not winning the ball and/or not defending well the worlds best defence will get opened up by a half decent forward line. our defence is not the issue our midfield and forward line are the issue.

I still don't believe we have found the optimum mid mix or at least if we have we haven't stuck with it and the disconnect between the mids and the forwards is Grand Canyon wide. Perhaps this is partly down to coaching but it's not something us on the outside of the club are privy to unfortunately.

Individually we have good enough players in each group but as a collective it just ain't happening. Perhaps This is why Teague bangs on about McGovern adding structure even if he isn't kicking 4.

I also still wonder if the coaching group has got everyone playing where they should be. One example would be I would do away with resting Cripps forward, it's the same as when the club tried to use Judd forward, both players set shot kicking is shit and given it's only for a rest I would have Cripps on field or bench. Does Gibbons spend enough time in the middle?, what to do with SPS? and while I still see a spot for Ed, particularly in a tagging role how long do we persist with Murphy and Simmo, not necessarily from a performance perspective but should we be moving to the next generation now?

As you say guys like Papley or Kelly won't be the difference just some extra cream. We only have to look at GWS to see how a team of guns continually under perform.

 

[Doro]

Thought we had our chances to win that yesterday, too many wasted opportunities in the second half. We are definitely running an A grade mid short, particularly with Crippa down on his usual beastiness. For all the ongoing positive versus negative battles happening around this place, we are actually smack bang in the middle. Long live the balanced discussion.

 

[TheKing101]

We need some Toby Greene dickhead types.


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[Stamos]

Like the Cats or Dogs games? Come from behind against the Bombers, same as Dockers? Is that not mental strength and application, will to win, leadership?

To be honest, no.
We dominated against the Cats, and let them kick 5.4 to 1 point in the 4th.
Dominated against *, and but for a couple of minutes of Murphy brilliance in 4th, and their shot falling short, nearly bottled it.
Newnes showed mental strength after we got a lucky free kick.

We are severely lacking killer instinct. We don't make teams pay when we're on top.
In our most important games, to go into positive win-loss, we've choked.

 

[Arr0w]

To be honest, no.
We dominated against the Cats, and let them kick 5.4 to 1 point in the 4th.
Dominated against *, and but for a couple of minutes of Murphy brilliance in 4th, and their shot falling short, nearly bottled it.
Newnes showed mental strength after we got a lucky free kick.

We are severely lacking killer instinct. We don't make teams pay when we're on top.
In our most important games, to go into positive win-loss, we've choked.

We won Stamos, this is what people are alluding too. NO SIDE wins every quarter and we are a mid table side on the rise.

It's more about your expectations

 

[Del9Sep24]

I’m not as down about this as others, maybe not down enough -who knows.

I thought it was a very high pressure contest and probably the first game for many of our team with a lot riding on the outcome beyond singing the song at the end. For large parts of the game I thought we held our own defensively and looked slightly more dangerous going forward - until half way through the 3rd obviously.

Walsh and the key defenders I thought were excellent. Liked Setterfield’s game - he’s settling in to be a very handy inside mid. TDK has it. As long as he’s not red lining with fitness, play him every week. He’s tapping with intent, he’s athletic as all get out, moves well. Great pick SOS.

I’m just going to say it - I don’t see it with Dow. Never really have, and to bring that level of intensity to a game of that magnitude after being out of the team for so long... to me that says a lot. Polson made mistakes but he was playing with clear intent. Dow brought nothing to that game, and to think they dropped Cottrell for him. Unbelievable.

season definitely not over. Beat the Giants and it’s all still to play for.

Dow plays the same as his u18 highlights suggested yet the majority of posters were confident with the idea that “dow is our man”

Davies-Uniake would be looking pretty good in blue right now

 

[Earls Smother]

Coaches Votes

7- Taylor Adams (COLL)
6- Jack Crisp (COLL)
6- Darcy Moore (COLL)
4- Brodie Grundy (COLL)
3- Scott Pendlebury (COLL)
2- Josh Thomas (COLL)
2- Samuel Walsh (CARL)

Looking at that says we did OK to be in front at three quarter time.

It was just a strange week for nearly all our good players to have down games - off a 9 day break

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Clearly not working playing Pitto, Levi and TDK in the one side.

Pitto needs to be dropped. Doesn't compete well enough in the ruck, doesn't apply enough pressure, can't take a contested mark let alone push forward and provide an option.

TDK with Levi providing a chop out should be the way to go imo.

 

[Lace_Out]

Coaches Votes

7- Taylor Adams (COLL)
6- Jack Crisp (COLL)
6- Darcy Moore (COLL)
4- Brodie Grundy (COLL)
3- Scott Pendlebury (COLL)
2- Josh Thomas (COLL)
2- Samuel Walsh (CARL)

Not fitting Weiters in there is rubbish.

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[thylacine60]

Think some posters need to learn how to vent a bit more respectfully, on the other hand too many posters won't let people vent whatsoever. It's an autopsy thread. Let em vent.

Some vents get very dusty and covered in spider webs from never being upgraded or refurbished.

 

[Earls Smother]

We need some Toby Greene dickhead types.


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So we implement the complete opposite of the Swans "no dickhead" policy?

Daisy probably had that touch of dickheadedness and it likely cost him his spot on the list ahead of some others.

I think some at the club see "extroverted" as being a dickhead.

I'm warming to your theory.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

Some defensive pressure from our half forwards wouldn’t go astray either, there half backs allowed to do what they wanted especially when they pushed up into the midfield to out number, mids can’t win when they have 2 extra out the back of the contest, not the first time this has happened in second half’s either.

Happens most weeks extra numbers out the back of contests, hand it to them on a platter... Inability to pressure, contain and chace down in our forward half hurts us, again...
Accountability, work rate and lack of general awareness???

This is due to the difference in the way the 2 sides set up around the contest.
It's not because we're slow, it's because we end up handballing to stationary players within 2 meters. It's easy for them to look quick when they receive the ball on the move in space.

It’s both, what you said is spot on but there’s an imbalance in the mixture we have starting in there... Cripps Setterfield Curnow i think should all never be in the midfield at the one time Fisher Cunners Martin SPS are being massively under-utilised IMO, speed spread class, all clever & good ball users particularly for I50 entries...

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Dow plays the same as his u18 highlights suggested yet the majority of posters were confident with the idea that “dow is our man”

Davies-Uniake would be looking pretty good in blue right now

He wasn't much better...

13 disposals (1 more than Dow) at 54% efficiency (66.7% for Dow)...

And btw only 4 contested possessions...

 

[1981]

Well I guess the coach's positive speaking in the lead up didn't work.

To say that was disappointing is an understatement. But then the cold hard reality is mot of our wins this year have been us scraping through, just getting over the line. Classic case of rose coloured glasses - we just aren't that good folks.

I think it is time to thank guys like Simpson and Betts and Kreuzer and give them each a gold watch. Happy for them to go on next year but at base pay and with no promises of being played in the seniors unless injuries hit. Because a little fella like Polson, while he didn't set the world on fire, strike me if he didn't look good; he's bulked up, and has pace to burn. I would rather see him play the remaining games than Simpson, because we need to fast track life post Simpson, Betts etc.

 

[Blue Pulse]

My 2c worth.

I watch the game with no sound from commentators or looking at players stats.

So basically I watch what the players do with the ball and without which is difficult just on a TV screen. The first half, I thought was fairly even, Pies had more shots on goal which was a worry and we kicked straight but lacked authority going forward, in other words we worked harder for our goals whereas they were hitting up their targets.

Second half their main focus was pressure around the ball, we dominated for 12-15 minutes but couldn't score, we used up a hell of a lot of energy for no scoreboard pressure. Nek minute down there end and goal.

Last qtr, they were just too good and their cream rose to the top. Pendlebury is just super in close and one of the most damaging users. We had too many do too little.

Dow, baptism of fire against a very strong midfield, coming off lunchtime scratch matches. Polsen impressed me for the first time yesterday, must play out the season.

Pity the only guy to match Stephenson's speed is Cottrell, he should have played and been given a chance on him to learn how and when to lead at the ball.

There were stages of that game where I didn't know if Levi, Harry or TDK were playing. If Gibbons isn't going to get midfield minutes he is being wasted. in fact he, Fisher, and Levi should have had a run on the ball when they went quiet.

Our forward entries were pathetic at times as we kept kicking it to Darcy Moore.

I feel we have handled our rotations rather poorly and we should have been playing LOB, Dow, Polsen and others more regularly due to there only being Mickey mouse scratch matches.