Rd 14 team

[Elite Crow]

Okay assuming by round 14 the finals are mathematically impossible, what side would you like to see? Here is mine:

B Johncock Rutten Petrenko/Davis
HB Goodwin Bock Van Berlo
C McKay Dangerfield Reilly
HF Knights Tippett Jaensch
FF Porps Walker McKernan/Sellar
R Maric Vince Thompson
I/C Sloane Petrenko/Davis Douglas Stevens

Obviously I am assuming no one is injured or carrying injuries. If anyone such as Thompson needs surgery, then do it and get ready for 2011.

I think we have enough threads on the debate whether we should keep oldies or think to the future, so I dont really want it to degenerate into that discussion again, but rather what sides people would like to see. I believe the team I have picked has an eye to the future but is still a pretty strong side.

Much depends also on the form of Petrenko, Davis and Jaensch. But I would like to see them get a go for at least a month in settled roles.

 

[StonesThrow]

Okay assuming by round 14 the finals are mathematically impossible, what side would you like to see? Here is mine:

B Johncock Rutten Petrenko/Davis
HB Goodwin Bock Van Berlo
C McKay Dangerfield Reilly
HF Knights Tippett Jaensch
FF Porps Walker McKernan/Sellar
R Maric Vince Thompson
I/C Sloane Petrenko/Davis Douglas Stevens

Obviously I am assuming no one is injured or carrying injuries. If anyone such as Thompson needs surgery, then do it and get ready for 2011.

I think we have enough threads on the debate whether we should keep oldies or think to the future, so I dont really want it to degenerate into that discussion again, but rather what sides people would like to see. I believe the team I have picked has an eye to the future but is still a pretty strong side.

Much depends also on the form of Petrenko, Davis and Jaensch. But I would like to see them get a go for at least a month in settled roles.

Sellar out. I'll admit he tries hard but the last thing we need is a big loaf who tries hard.

Mcleod in. I dont know why you left him out when he is giving us the most run through the middle and is disposing of it 10 times better than Goody's atm.

If Jaensch can get rid of those nerves and put a few good performaces in then his run and create would be good for us. Trying to think of someone to take his place but Martin and Otten wont be playing AFL this year. Symes is courageous but exactly what we dont need right now with his poor skills and loopy kicks.

 

[Elite Crow]

Sellar out. I'll admit he tries hard but the last thing we need is a big loaf who tries hard.

Mcleod in. I dont know why you left him out when he is giving us the most run through the middle and is disposing of it 10 times better than Goody's atm.

If Jaensch can get rid of those nerves and put a few good performaces in then his run and create would be good for us. Trying to think of someone to take his place but Martin and Otten wont be playing AFL this year. Symes is courageous but exactly what we dont need right now with his poor skills and loopy kicks.

Mcleod out because I cant se him playing next year and I think Goodwin will.

Sellar's last few games have been pretty good, we need to give him a decent run to see if he will make it.

 

[StonesThrow]

Mcleod out because I cant se him playing next year and I think Goodwin will.

So one of our most inform players might retire and that's a good reason to drop him.

That sounds like a Melbourne and Carlton method.

 

[Elite Crow]

So one of our most inform players might retire and that's a good reason to drop him.

That sounds like a Melbourne and Carlton method.

Yes it is, what good does one or two extra wins this year do for our future? That is the Crows method and it hasnt scored us a premiership in 13 years.

Melbourne and Carlton have a team full of good young players and have actually won a game this year.

How about instead of picking at mine, put up your own team. As I said this is the team I would like to see. Yours might be different and so be it, but Im not really interested in defending my decisions to you.

 

[StonesThrow]

Yes it is, what good does one or two extra wins this year do for our future? That is the Crows method and it hasnt scored us a premiership in 13 years.

Melbourne and Carlton have a team full of good young players and have actually won a game this year.

How about instead of picking at mine, put up your own team. As I said this is the team I would like to see. Yours might be different and so be it, but Im not really interested in defending my decisions to you.

I was meant to add in my first post that I would have your team with the changes I commented on. Sorry.

 

[Elite Crow]

I was meant to add in my first post that I would have your team with the changes I commented on. Sorry.

No dramas, I just dont want the thread going the same way of the others. I'm interested in the teams posters want to go with.

 

[NTRabbit]

Best 22 every week, no exceptions.

No point playing young players who aren't good enough, it does nothing for them and is of detriment to the young players who are good enough.

 

[Tarasque36]

Hey , good idea , seemed like fun til I just tried to do it. Hard to balance , as I dont want to throw the year in ,Melb Rich and Carl style, but do want half a year into some youngsters. So here's my effort -

B Johncock Rutten Young
HB Van Berlo Bock Symes
C Cook Dangerfield MacKay
HF Knights Henderson Porplyzia
F Jaensch Tippett Walker
R Maric Vince Thompson
I Goodwin McLeod Sellar Sloane
E Davis Douglas Reilly

Maybe Davis for Hendo, but I havent seen Davis up forward. Want Young because we need someone to play on the quick flanker thats over 6foot.
Goody and McLeod deserve the year if they want. Legends! And they still contribute each week and I still want experience out there.
Would've also liked to give Douglas prime time midfield, to prove himself or to move him on.Want more than cameos during a game, but couldnt fit him with Cook Danger D-Mac the future. Maybe if (the currently playing inj duo) of Vince or Thommo need a break.

 

[Elite Crow]

Best 22 every week, no exceptions.

No point playing young players who aren't good enough, it does nothing for them and is of detriment to the young players who are good enough.

Okay whats your best 22?

 

[WALL-e]

Depends on form at the time.

It's very hard to make a BEST 22.

 

[Cap]

I'm going to assume that by rd most players are back feel free to correct me if I've got one of them wrong.


B Johncock Rutten Davis
HB Mcleod/Goodwin Bock Van Berlo
C McKay Dangerfield Reilly
HF Knights Sellar Jaensch
FF Porps Tippet Walker
R Maric Vince Thompson
I/C McKernan Peterenko Reilly/Douglas/Mcleod/Goodwin.

In reality we are going to need atleast 2 of the 4 older guys to be playing otherwise we are going to get smashed.

 

[macca23]

I'll have a crack at it, but to be honest, it's a team that could possibly change every couple of weeks between now and round 14, depending on form.

McLeod and Goody are earning their spot IMO, so they stay, given they maintain that form.

B Johncock Rutten Stevens

HB Goodwin Bock Van Berlo

C McKay Dangerfield Reilly

HF Knights Davis McLeod

FF Porps Tippett Walker

R Maric Vince Thompson

I/C McKernan, Douglas, Cook, Symes,

Emergencies: Henderson, Sloane, Jaensch, Schmidt, Sellar, Talia


Edwards to retire at the end of round 12 (noticeably slowing).

Burton, Doughty and Petrenko omitted.

Petrenko does not get enough of it and is a high loopy kick.

Burton too inconsistent and erratic. Dogga not having a great season, and the end is nigh.

 

[NTRabbit]

Okay whats your best 22?

I'll tell you at the end of round 13

 

[subaru]

Shoot me down in flames ...
Take your best shot but ..
Why do you all still have Thompson in?

How many times does he burn the ball?
Fire away

 

[relapse]

I'll tell you at the end of round 13

Come on I also want to see it

I already know it will have Doughty, Edwards, Goody, McLeod and Burton in it

 

[NTRabbit]

Come on I also want to see it

I already know it will have Doughty, Edwards, Goody, McLeod and Burton in it

No. I will quite literally tell you at the end of round 13, which is when the team is generally picked.

How am I to know who will be in form and who won't 8 weeks from now? Maybe starting this week, Burton will kick 6 goals a game until then. Or perhaps Petrenko will average 25 meaningful disposals a game from now until then. Maybe Edwards will turn in four single digit disposal games in a row.

Will Knights be playing then, or is his season already over? Will Dangerfield break his other hand running into the boundary fence?

Simple fact is, any of these teams you pick now for a future 2 months away are just reactionary rubbish, with little basis in reality, a place you apparently spend next to no time in.

Sometimes I wonder if some of the intellectual pillars of this forum even have an education, honestly. This is primary school stuff people, basic concepts of time.

 

[lincsPJ]

FB: Johncock - Rutten - Davis
HB: Goodwin - Bock - Stevens
C: Mackay - Dangerfield - Reilly
HF: Knights - Tippett - Mcleod
FF: Walker - Modra - Porplyzia

R: Maric - Vince - Thompson

I/C: van Berlo, McKernan, Schmidt, Symes

Emerg: Douglas, Petrenko, Sloane

 

[subaru]

FB: Johncock - Rutten - Davis
HB: Goodwin - Bock - Stevens
C: Mackay - Dangerfield - Reilly
HF: Knights - Tippett - Mcleod
FF: Walker - Modra - Porplyzia

R: Maric - Vince - Thompson

I/C: van Berlo, McKernan, Schmidt, Symes

Emerg: Douglas, Petrenko, Sloane

FB: Johncock - Rutten - Davis
HB: Goodwin - Bock - Stevens
C: Mackay - Dangerfield - Reilly
HF: Knights - Tippett - Mcleod
FF: Walker - Modra - Porplyzia

R: Maric - Vince - Roo
I/C: van Berlo, McKernan, Schmidt, Symes

Emerg: Douglas, Petrenko, Sloane

I saw what you did there!!!!
And I agree except for one that I have amended myself.

 

[SydCrow]

FB: Johncock - Rutten - Davis
HB: Goodwin - Bock - Stevens
C: Mackay - Dangerfield - Reilly
HF: Knights - Tippett - Mcleod
FF: Walker - Modra - Porplyzia

R: Maric - Vince - Thompson

I/C: van Berlo, McKernan, Schmidt, Symes

Emerg: Douglas, Petrenko, Sloane

Hendo's new nickname?

I want to see Sellar and Jaensch in there for McKernan and Schmidt

 

[Elite Crow]

No. I will quite literally tell you at the end of round 13, which is when the team is generally picked.

How am I to know who will be in form and who won't 8 weeks from now? Maybe starting this week, Burton will kick 6 goals a game until then. Or perhaps Petrenko will average 25 meaningful disposals a game from now until then. Maybe Edwards will turn in four single digit disposal games in a row.

Will Knights be playing then, or is his season already over? Will Dangerfield break his other hand running into the boundary fence?

Simple fact is, any of these teams you pick now for a future 2 months away are just reactionary rubbish, with little basis in reality, a place you apparently spend next to no time in.

Sometimes I wonder if some of the intellectual pillars of this forum even have an education, honestly. This is primary school stuff people, basic concepts of time.

Perhaps you dont get the concept, which maybe says a little about your education not mine. For starters perhaps you missed the line when you had to assume you had a a healthy list to choose from. Hence your Knights and Dangerfield comments are irrelevant.

If at round 14 the season is shot, what team would you like to see? A team that is giving game time to players who at the start of next year will need to have more than 5 games experience or as per your Burton comment a bunch of players who have will no say in our future. The fact you have Burton in the team this week says a lot about your sense of reality. The guy was crap, cost us 2 goals and you want to keep him in when we have another option.

What staggers me is some people site the inexperienced players on our list and worry about losing as a result. Well guess what, next year they will still be inexperienced if they dont play this year. So what would you prefer, lose games this year when it means nothing or next year and we miss the finals again? Pretty simple question, perhaps you might try and answer it this time.

 

[Tarasque36]

No. I will quite literally tell you at the end of round 13, which is when the team is generally picked.

How am I to know who will be in form and who won't 8 weeks from now? Maybe starting this week, Burton will kick 6 goals a game until then. Or perhaps Petrenko will average 25 meaningful disposals a game from now until then. Maybe Edwards will turn in four single digit disposal games in a row.

Will Knights be playing then, or is his season already over? Will Dangerfield break his other hand running into the boundary fence?

Simple fact is, any of these teams you pick now for a future 2 months away are just reactionary rubbish, with little basis in reality, a place you apparently spend next to no time in.

Sometimes I wonder if some of the intellectual pillars of this forum even have an education, honestly. This is primary school stuff people, basic concepts of time.

Hey NTRabbit,
I do find I usually agree with most of your posts and opinions , but I wonder, are you a lawyer? Or an accountant? Must be something without any sense of imagination or fun .. like this thread should be!

For all we know we may not have 22 fit players come round 14!

 

[Cap]

No. I will quite literally tell you at the end of round 13, which is when the team is generally picked.

How am I to know who will be in form and who won't 8 weeks from now? Maybe starting this week, Burton will kick 6 goals a game until then. Or perhaps Petrenko will average 25 meaningful disposals a game from now until then. Maybe Edwards will turn in four single digit disposal games in a row.

Will Knights be playing then, or is his season already over? Will Dangerfield break his other hand running into the boundary fence?

Simple fact is, any of these teams you pick now for a future 2 months away are just reactionary rubbish, with little basis in reality, a place you apparently spend next to no time in.

Sometimes I wonder if some of the intellectual pillars of this forum even have an education, honestly. This is primary school stuff people, basic concepts of time.

hmm

so I guess we change this to bigcakemaking Adelaide forum and compare pancake recipes?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

What staggers me is some people site the inexperienced players on our list and worry about losing as a result. Well guess what, next year they will still be inexperienced if they dont play this year. So what would you prefer, lose games this year when it means nothing or next year and we miss the finals again? Pretty simple question, perhaps you might try and answer it this time.

Exactly.

No-one is claiming that an inexperienced player (ie Jaensch) would have the same output as a more experienced option (ie Doughty) right here and now.

Hey, though i don't think Walker is a backwards step some may argue that Burton could have a slightly better output in R7, 2010 (as i said, i'm not one of them).

But the basic fact is you don't get from 0 games to let's say 30-40 games (when you have found your feet and can develop and contribute strongly) without playing 30-40 games!!!

It is NOT a question of this week only (especially as we wont make finals). There is always a tension between playing for today whilst simultaneously putting time into the appropriate talent (and sometimes that decision needs to be a judgement call with limited proof) for tomorrow. That tension now needs to be swayed towards to the talented youngster, without losing all semblance of competitiveness for now.

It's time for Doughty and Burton to go.

Talented youngsters like Davis, Sellar, Henderson, Jaensch, Walker must be given every opportunity when fit.

Unproven youngsters need to play plenty of games even when they are not quite up to it just yet (McKernan, Young, Armstrong, Cook, Petrenko).

He's still got a lot to prove but Sellar is now recognised by many as a pretty decent player who we'd be more than happy to see in the 22. This would not have been the case if he didn't play when not up to it last year. If injuries don't allow these selections then harsh calls must be made...or the same merry-go-round will continue with no improvement. The old guys will be gone and those who wanted all of them to play every week better not complain that the young blokes aren't up to it yet.

 

[Allefgib]

No. I will quite literally tell you at the end of round 13, which is when the team is generally picked.

How am I to know who will be in form and who won't 8 weeks from now? Maybe starting this week, Burton will kick 6 goals a game until then. Or perhaps Petrenko will average 25 meaningful disposals a game from now until then. Maybe Edwards will turn in four single digit disposal games in a row.

Will Knights be playing then, or is his season already over? Will Dangerfield break his other hand running into the boundary fence?

Simple fact is, any of these teams you pick now for a future 2 months away are just reactionary rubbish, with little basis in reality, a place you apparently spend next to no time in.

Sometimes I wonder if some of the intellectual pillars of this forum even have an education, honestly. This is primary school stuff people, basic concepts of time.

Mate I hope the club has a little more ability to consider forward thinking than you. Otherwise we'll up losing our 'best 22 players' each year and the next year being forced to play guys who have had no games under their belt.

It's a fairly harmless exercise and if you choose to view it in a positive light you might be able to convince a few people which older players should still be playing and why. Maybe just put out a 'everyone is fit and playing to their previous 80% level or something' and then reason who stays in and who goes out.

You might find you enjoy it