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How are the stat points determined, and what is the rationale for awarding the top player twice that of the next?
How are the stat points determined, and what is the rationale for awarding the top player twice that of the next?
Doc was horrid, well that was my take on it. How Walsh doesn’t get the yellow confuses me.
Give it time, they haven't been 'carltonised' yet....What struck me as evident watching live on Thursday night was just how much intensity and desire for the contest some of our imports had vs our developed players. Martin, Williams, Fogarty, Saad all looked like they wanted the ball when a number of our other players really didn't.
Now obviously a large part of this is because we knew they were guns that played to a high standard and that's why we got them in, but honestly the effort they gave needs to be pointed out to the whole group as the standard of effort that all players need to give.
Their efforts made some of our other players look downright embarassing.
What struck me as evident watching live on Thursday night was just how much intensity and desire for the contest some of our imports had vs our developed players. Martin, Williams, Fogarty, Saad all looked like they wanted the ball when a number of our other players really didn't.
Now obviously a large part of this is because we knew they were guns that played to a high standard and that's why we got them in, but honestly the effort they gave needs to be pointed out to the whole group as the standard of effort that all players need to give.
Their efforts made some of our other players look downright embarassing.
Not sure if this has been posted. Some of our defensive failures from round 2.
Not sure if this has been posted. Some of our defensive failures from round 2.
Some of that footage is just appalling.
Players jogging along without a care in the world, allowing their opponents to just do whatever they want.
Sure our structures may be partially to blame, but the number 1 attribute required is to have the will to compete and take some responsibility (as shown by Fisher in that vid).
Uncompetitive players really piss me off.
Some of that footage is just appalling.
Players jogging along without a care in the world, allowing their opponents to just do whatever they want.
Sure our structures may be partially to blame, but the number 1 attribute required is to have the will to compete and take some responsibility (as shown by Fisher in that vid).
Uncompetitive players really piss me off.
Simmo 100%Yes, so that's on the players firstly, but after the fact, it's on the coach to do something about that player.
Makes you wonder if the coaches see this when it is happening or have to rely on footage afterwards to realise. There are enough eyes in the box to recognise why a player is free and send a message right away.
When people talk about being respectful to club champions, what they are referring to is not using their age against them and allowing them to go out on their terms of their form warrants. They don't mean cruising along to a milestone as an untouchable.
If you had a choice of Simpson or Murphy playing in 2021, I feel like everyone would choose Simmo, because he always gave his all and he was disciplined.
I was pleased to see Fish doing the right thing there. It makes me wonder if other players still don't get how to roll on to the more dangerous opponent. If Fish has to leave one guy to get the lone runner, then where is that runner's opponent and why aren't they covering Fish's opponent why he is covering for them?
If you mean easily fixable by dropping repeat offenders, I agree.Midfielders and wingmen should always be one on one when they are defending and beating their opponent with run when not. Parking in unaccountable space ( fake zoning) is is where you allow other teams to create overlap. HBF allowing their opponents to run and create overlap through midfield is murder for team mates- same as HFF allowing their HBF opponents to become extra mids.
Teague is right to be pissed off with lack of effort as far as accountability one on one goes.
Fixable though - easy.
If you mean easily fixable by dropping repeat offenders, I agree.
Not as easy to turn uncompetitive snowflakes into competitive beasts though.
Plowman isnt a bottom 8 player in this carlton side
I agreeWhen I look at the actuall games and look for bad stuff in review - I see much more evidence of lack of awareness than lack of effort. I think Carlton perhaps has gone a tad too far with regards to asking players to play away from positions and rotate. If we look at better more established teams and their systems- only their very best players are moved around the chess board into different positions at different times.
Filling the space is hard to do with a quick game like it has been, and it's double-tough when it's when defending a clean clearance from a centre bounce. That's been a huge difference between us and the opposition so far this season. We get far fewer clean takeaways.If you look at the scoring Collimngwood were able to achieve- most of it was direct chest marks to leading forwards - why was there no one filling in the center space stopping the low bullet passes? Apart from William's kick to Levi ( who OOB) from directly in front - our other entries were mostly parabolic and telegrphed - why nto hold up play until a forward gets to clear space? The forward line looke dmostly dysfucntional all game - fitness with talls and lack of third tall....
Setterfield on the wing is dumb. As is SPS in the backline. I think there's something to playing so many guys out of position and being surprised at the poor results. Yes being versatile is a positive, but if you make the AFL as a mid you shouldn't be expected to play wing or half forward flank because versatile. We seem to do that a lot.Setterfield as a wingman didnt work last year- why will it work this year?
An unfit Levi asked to play KPF and chop out ruckman - produced two massive weak spots - exploited by Collingwood on rebound and around ball ups. An unfit Levi is even clumsier than a a normally clumsy Levi.
If Moore was more closely marked on rebound most of their exits are stopped. Why wasnt Harry running with Moore in attack AND defence? Why was Moore able to go one on one against Harry - but Harry not responsible for covering Moore ?
Regardless of individual opinions on him, he has been exposed as an easy avenue for scoring. It's pretty hard to deny that.If Teague keeps playing him the way he did last Thursday with the new style of game the man on the mark rule has led to, he will be.
His lack of pace was laid bare for everyone to see, and opposition coaches will do this to him time and time again, unless Teague does something about it.
Regardless of individual opinions on him, he has been exposed as an easy avenue for scoring. It's pretty hard to deny that.
Not sure if this has been posted. Some of our defensive failures from round 2.
Not sure if you watched the same game as me but, Gibbons kicked 3 goals and was one our best.Our forward 50 pressure was very poor and non existent for the most part. It was the case last week as well.
I don't expect it on the back of that performance, but I would favour Eddie and even Owies over Gibbons for this reason, because our attacking style doesn't lend itself to it being a weakness.