RDFL Thread 2007

[vantheman32]

channel 31 reception at my house is fine, pity its a just a shit station filled with utter crap, the only good show was blokes world IMO.

 

[DirtyHarry]

I'm assuming you're talking to me BOG. Firstly, no idea about the costs but I'm sure they would be phenomenal. Secondly, I'm not sure if the league and clubs have big enough sponsors to cover it. Thirdly, the reception on Channel 31 is not good in Romsey, Lancefield, Kilmore etc. Can't comment on any other areas.

I'm sure all clubs would love to have a TV show on the RDFL, but its probably not feasible. We don't even have a weekly record yet!!!

The weekly record idea is probably a good starting point. This is really successful in the league I am more familiar with in my area, and it really only needs to have the following detail:

- President's/Secretary's spiel (handful of sentences regarding the upcoming games)

- Ladders/Previous round results

- Each club has a page with a few sentences usually regarding last weeks matches (footy and netball), best players, the upcoming round and any social notes etc. Rest of page has current player list with numbers.

- Netball roundup

- Last page to have fixture with previous round results filled in.

- As many ads as you can fit in between that.

The publication runs at about 10-12 pages max every week, has generally repetitive information apart from writeups that could be mailed through, and is only given out on the gate after you have paid your money.

Just an observation as an outsider to the handful of games I've been to is that I hear about the gun players on this website but keep having to ask who that is getting a ton of the ball out in the middle all the time. If I had something like this it would help me understand the league a lot more and is a good marketing/PR tool for the league. Price would be negligible if you got enough sponsors from each club on board, which shouldn't be a problem I wouldn't have thought compared to the costs of a TV production, but in a worst case scenario I'm sure that if you were to sell them at $1 each on the gate that people handing over their $10-$20 note wouldn't object to adding this to the cost of entry.

Despite from adding 5 minutes to the time of the President, club officials and netballers each week to write a quick few words, there aren't any downsides that I can see.

Just a bit of an observation for the learned masses here on BF.

 

[Itsmyshow]

very interested to have an update on your running total of successful predictions. some great games this week id be interetsed in your thoughts on the match of the round..are you predicting belville to play on sims that would be very interesting

Who says Riddell Vs Diggers is match of the round???

There is a couple of gooduns on this week...

 

[Itsmyshow]

The weekly record idea is probably a good starting point. This is really successful in the league I am more familiar with in my area, and it really only needs to have the following detail:

- President's/Secretary's spiel (handful of sentences regarding the upcoming games)

- Ladders/Previous round results

- Each club has a page with a few sentences usually regarding last weeks matches (footy and netball), best players, the upcoming round and any social notes etc. Rest of page has current player list with numbers.

- Netball roundup

- Last page to have fixture with previous round results filled in.

- As many ads as you can fit in between that.

The publication runs at about 10-12 pages max every week, has generally repetitive information apart from writeups that could be mailed through, and is only given out on the gate after you have paid your money.

Just an observation as an outsider to the handful of games I've been to is that I hear about the gun players on this website but keep having to ask who that is getting a ton of the ball out in the middle all the time. If I had something like this it would help me understand the league a lot more and is a good marketing/PR tool for the league. Price would be negligible if you got enough sponsors from each club on board, which shouldn't be a problem I wouldn't have thought compared to the costs of a TV production, but in a worst case scenario I'm sure that if you were to sell them at $1 each on the gate that people handing over their $10-$20 note wouldn't object to adding this to the cost of entry.

Despite from adding 5 minutes to the time of the President, club officials and netballers each week to write a quick few words, there aren't any downsides that I can see.

Just a bit of an observation for the learned masses here on BF.

Strongly agree

 

[future29]

bit of topic but i know kilmore have fallen a bit short of early seaosn expectations. does anyone think though that in a couple of years (2-3) if the blues can retain the list they have at the moment thye will b be a real force. there top tear older players speak for themselves but with the like of ramsdale, moedt , saunders all only playing their 1-2nd year of senior footy and with players like hede collis duffy still with developing to go. and cornish and robbo still yung. the list has the potential to be very damaging in the coming years true ?

 

[vantheman32]

with the welcome addition of the wrecking ball hardiman, possible re recruits in mcintyre n marcus webb. could very well be a very damaging young side in next 2 to 3 seasons

 

[Harry Wilson]

channel 31 reception at my house is fine, pity its a just a shit station filled with utter crap, the only good show was blokes world IMO.

C31 is a little grainey in Romsey but pretty good. Definately watchable. I think there is one man and one man only for the hosting job...........

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to introduce the host of our show, Maaaaaaaatt "Pickles" Nicholls (insert canned applause here...). On his left in the co-host's seat its.... It's Myyyyy Shoowwww!!! (more canned applause). On his right it's the very distinguished and astute Mike "The King of the Jungle" Lyon (cue the canned applause). With special comments from the panel, it's...... Mongrel..... Omnipotent and let's not forget the bloke that rounds off the panel..... Halffull. Let's give it up (more canned applause)."


Perhaps Harry might have his own little segement about half way through the show, the live version of "Harry's Happenings"? I'd need to wear a balaclava though to keep my identity a secret. Couldn't have it getting around who the real Harry Wilson is. SSHHHHHHHH!!

 

[Doona2]

bit of topic but i know kilmore have fallen a bit short of early seaosn expectations. does anyone think though that in a couple of years (2-3) if the blues can retain the list they have at the moment thye will b be a real force. there top tear older players speak for themselves but with the like of ramsdale, moedt , saunders all only playing their 1-2nd year of senior footy and with players like hede collis duffy still with developing to go. and cornish and robbo still yung. the list has the potential to be very damaging in the coming years true ?

Bad word in footy that, only a few recruits away along with improved numbers on the training track thats where most problems lie at any club IMO is training numbers. - but yeah with the right commitment from the players and some smart recruiting ya just never know Tez would be foolish to end his tenure this year would be a top gig providing the commitment improved.

Surely Webby, McIntyre are years off returning to district footy, be the best you can lads - Robbo shouldn't even be playing RDFL, and as for you Van test the water buddy you might surprise yourself.

 

[OMNIPOTENT_1]

C31 is a little grainey in Romsey but pretty good. Definately watchable. I think there is one man and one man only for the hosting job...........

"Ladies and Gentlemen, I would like to introduce the host of our show, Maaaaaaaatt "Pickles" Nicholls (insert canned applause here...). On his left in the co-host's seat its.... It's Myyyyy Shoowwww!!! (more canned applause). On his right it's the very distinguished and astute Mike "The King of the Jungle" Lyon (cue the canned applause). With special comments from the panel, it's...... Mongrel..... Omnipotent and let's not forget the bloke that rounds off the panel..... Halffull. Let's give it up (more canned applause)."


Perhaps Harry might have his own little segement about half way through the show, the live version of "Harry's Happenings"? I'd need to wear a balaclava though to keep my identity a secret. Couldn't have it getting around who the real Harry Wilson is. SSHHHHHHHH!!

Being our Resident "Wilson",

You could be our answer to Carroline Wilson (nice bloke that 1)
Same Same But Different !

 

[Harry Wilson]

Being our Resident "Wilson",

You could be our answer to Carroline Wilson (nice bloke that 1)
Same Same But Different !

Is that a compliment??

 

[discreet1]

Matt, any truth to the rumour that Mick Allen pulled a faint heartstring over the previous few weeks to lengthen his odds for the league goalkicking?

Give me a one week term deposit on Allen kicking another bag against Diggers this week!

I actually heard DH that it was because it was too cold!

 

[bromanbomber]

Bad word in footy that, only a few recruits away along with improved numbers on the training track thats where most problems lie at any club IMO is training numbers. - but yeah with the right commitment from the players and some smart recruiting ya just never know Tez would be foolish to end his tenure this year would be a top gig providing the commitment improved.

Surely Webby, McIntyre are years off returning to district footy, be the best you can lads - Robbo shouldn't even be playing RDFL, and as for you Van test the water buddy you might surprise yourself.

Better watch out Van, Doona is on the prowl and has cash to burn. Loyalty is a big thing though and you'll be surprised how far it goes nowadays especially at Kilmore just ask Mr W.
I heard JR could be on the move back to the Blues den as well. Any truth Doona?? Also, if Kilmore hold onto what they've got and can recruit a couple of key position players (strong bodies), they'll finish in the 8 next season. ie Wittmar, JR. May even be tempted to fly in for cameo appearances.

 

[matt_nicholls]

Better watch out Van, Doona is on the prowl and has cash to burn. Loyalty is a big thing though and you'll be surprised how far it goes nowadays especially at Kilmore just ask Mr W.
I heard JR could be on the move back to the Blues den as well. Any truth Doona?? Also, if Kilmore hold onto what they've got and can recruit a couple of key position players (strong bodies), they'll finish in the 8 next season. ie Wittmar, JR. May even be tempted to fly in for cameo appearances.

There is no doubt Kilmore could be a finals side and premiership contender in future years, but they have to keep the list together. Premiership windows are very small and the Blues would need to recruit a couple of talls and become more of a physical side. They have the pace, skill and ability - just need to have a stronger presence around the stoppages and in the air.

I'm sure Johnny Rowe will return one day to Kilmore, not sure if it will be next year though. He'd be up there in Broadford's best and fairest for sure.

 

[bromanbomber]

There is no doubt Kilmore could be a finals side and premiership contender in future years, but they have to keep the list together. Premiership windows are very small and the Blues would need to recruit a couple of talls and become more of a physical side. They have the pace, skill and ability - just need to have a stronger presence around the stoppages and in the air.

I'm sure Johnny Rowe will return one day to Kilmore, not sure if it will be next year though. He'd be up there in Broadford's best and fairest for sure.

For sure Matty, I totally agree, get the young ones on the weights over summer and get a couple of hard nut bigger bodies. I'd certainly love to finish the career at Kilmore with another flag.

 

[Trottyboya]

Better watch out Van, Doona is on the prowl and has cash to burn. Loyalty is a big thing though and you'll be surprised how far it goes nowadays especially at Kilmore just ask Mr W.
I heard JR could be on the move back to the Blues den as well. Any truth Doona?? Also, if Kilmore hold onto what they've got and can recruit a couple of key position players (strong bodies), they'll finish in the 8 next season. ie Wittmar, JR. May even be tempted to fly in for cameo appearances.

There is no doubt Kilmore could be a finals side and premiership contender in future years, but they have to keep the list together. Premiership windows are very small and the Blues would need to recruit a couple of talls and become more of a physical side. They have the pace, skill and ability - just need to have a stronger presence around the stoppages and in the air.

I'm sure Johnny Rowe will return one day to Kilmore, not sure if it will be next year though. He'd be up there in Broadford's best and fairest for sure.

Dont drag Doona into this one fellas he is doing good things at Broadford and i doubt hed ever poach from Kilmore as he has a lot of ties there as well as living in the town. rowey has been really good appears to be enjoying himself and the boys love him when he does go back Kilmore will benfit from his time away as he told me he has been very impressed at Doons professionalsm maybe if Doona does the job down the trac Rowey will return?

 

[vantheman32]

It would be great to play in a premiership side with hopefully some of these young blokes returning for a 2 or 3 seasons. They would still have plenty of time to go play in the Bigger Leagues around Vic, Intrinsic values are something i hold highly, My old man always talks about:
1. how strong the league was
2. The great rivalries with opposition sides, nothing better then beating sunbury and lancefield. Especially in 80s when he was president.
3. The great social events around the club.
4. The best players in the league
5. When he played in the very early 70s that they were paid only 10 bucks a week haha

When i look at the 87 premiership side i see the names dad talks so fondly about, Darren Kemp, The Dalgliesh brothers, Wayne George, Grant Kayll, Nick Monaghan, Hussey, Clancy etc. Or how he so easily remembers everything from the 71 flag and talks about Terry Mills, Ross Clark, Robert Reid, Geoff Briggs, John Green, Wayne Henderson, etc

I want to do the same thing in 30 yrs time and talk about how Blokes like Mcintrye webb huy robbo kemp cornish kingy burger and the rest play in a flag or two together. i know theres nothing better, just from winning a flag with some of those fellas at ACK in 05.
My dream Kilmore Team for next few yrs could read something like this(prob not likely and alot of ifs and buts)
Colliver Barnes Duff
Kempy Mcintyre Hardiman
Newham Robbo Barton
Hede Salter Still(Captain)
Cornish Mills King

Wittmar Colliss, Ramsdale Etc
Webb
Huy
Add unknown recruits at this moment and the squad would be very dangerous, i know this is all ifs and buts, it would be great to have a side like that.
Just would be awesome for the club and town n possibly the league
of course i forgot some people i just realised goudge n strayney but ya just have to wait n see what happens.

 

[matt_nicholls]

Can the RDFL expand?

by Matt Nicholls

MEMO: To all football fans and clubs in the district.
Imagine this. A super country football league with two divisions involving teams from this area.
Take a minute to ponder rivalry matches of yesteryear such as Wallan versus Kilmore, Gisborne against Riddell or a more modern Sunbury Kangaroos v Sunbury Lions.
If you asked me whether it was possible at the start of this season, I probably would have said no.
Now, I’m not so sure.
It has been 10 years since the Riddell District Football League became a one-division competition, and there is serious thought being put towards recreating the super league it once was.
At this end of the geographical area, the local football supporters are licking their lips at the idea.
Similarly at the other end, towards Melton, Sunbury and Gisborne, the fans are desperate to resume old RDFL rivalries.
If you take various sides from the surrounding district - some current, some former, and some new – and put together a two division football league, it has the potential to become one of the strongest competitions in Victoria.
Powerhouse clubs such as Sunbury Lions, Gisborne, Melton South, Melton, Darley and Kyneton – all from superior competitions should be welcomed back with open arms.
Invite Wallan and Trentham back to the fore, get Bacchus Marsh aboard. That is already nine new clubs.
Take the current 10 sides and all of a sudden you have a lot of potential to build a powerful competition.
It is hard to believe that it was just over a decade ago when many of these “new” sides were actually competing in the RDFL.
The area that involves these 19 clubs includes some of the biggest growing populations in Victoria.
It means that there is a guarantee of junior footballers, therefore creating a strong flow on to the seniors.
SALARY CAP
Without a doubt there would be some clubs that would struggle with the two divisions.
Rockbank, Trentham, Macedon, Melton Central and Lancefield would most likely struggle to stay afloat with potentially stronger neighbouring rivals.
Clubs such as Gisborne, Sunbury Lions and Melton South would obviously be very hard to beat.
Financially able to pay for classier players, it would mean a salary cap system would have to be introduced across the board to prevent clubs from “buying premierships”.
Unlike the AFL’s system to limit a club’s spending, there is a way to prevent clubs from importing talent – therefore encouraging sides to promote their junior programs.
To borrow a system implemented by the Central Murray Football League, it is possible to implement a strategy to even up the competition.
The league could make each club fill their side with a points tally totalling 40.
Using this simple points ranking system, clubs must not exceed the cap, or they will lose their four points and be fined $500.
This is how each player could be ranked:




This system is simply designed to promote the blooding of locally produced players and forcing clubs to focus time and money into their junior programs.
This will hopefully result in more of our locally produced youngsters playing in the TAC Cup and getting drafted to the AFL.
Obviously it still allows club’s to spend as much money as they like, but it doesn’t make it easy or viable for sides to “poach” players from neighbouring clubs in the competition.
There are some other points that need to be raised from this system though.

• Playing coaches are rated on the league from which they are recruited.

• An RDFL player wishing to return to a new RDFL club from another league is a 5 point player, less one point for each season spent in the other league after leaving the RDFL.

• Clubs will initially rate their players and forward these to the league where each player’s rating will be verified before being circulated to all clubs.

• Players returning to their original RDFL club after at least one season away return at their rating prior to departure.

• There is no points cap in the Under 18s and reserves competition.

If the RDFL became a two division competition, this is how the divisions may pan out.



If this were to eventuate, the longest away trip for any club would be the Bacchus Marsh to Kilmore fixture, a journey that would take approximately 60 minutes.
If you look at other football leagues, particularly the Heathcote District Football League, there are a number of 80-100 minute trips for participating clubs.

LONG SHOT
The hardest challenge to get this idea off the ground is likely to be persuading clubs such as Sunbury Lions and Gisborne to join what is deemed to be a “weaker” competition. But it is possible.
There is also the issue of whether the current clubs would welcome back some sides into the RDFL.
Many clubs were annoyed when clubs such as Wallan and Gisborne left the competition when it was virtually on its knees and dying.
While this “super league” plan is a long shot, I recommend all clubs to consider the prospect.
Football etiquette prevents the RDFL from approaching clubs to join the competition, if clubs want to join they need to take the initiative and approach the RDFL.
Six years ago the Riddell District Football League was shot to pieces and many feared it would not survive.
Thanks to the excellent work of former general manager Neill Sharpe, the current RDFL board and many others, the league is now starting to thrive.
However, towns such as Romsey, Woodend and Kilmore are continually growing, and it’s not unforeseeable that they will soon outgrow the current competition.
Measures need to be put in place to protect the RDFL and ensure that it grows with the community amongst and surrounding it.

 

[vantheman32]

great post matt very good read and a very interesting concept.

 

[blueper]

Diggers will play their Elimination Final on the Sunday.
I'll say it again this year!!!! No Jose, Hoare & Walshe, NO DIGGERS.

Are you that worried about it that you have gone to the trouble of thinking that far ahead? Diggers haven't even made the finals yet. If we have anything it is depth. Coped with injuries all year and played over 40 blokes in our seniors which I would say is more than anyone else. Time will tell but its to early to be looking that far ahead. Have to make the finals first and we play an extremely good footy side this week.

 

[Halffullonfence]

Can the RDFL expand?

by Matt Nicholls

MEMO: To all football fans and clubs in the district.

Matt lets say this goes ahead your next job is to allocate who gets what jumper design. If all these teams in comp some interesting jumper clashes. Don't assume who will be in what div for this exercise.

 

[Ballsy]

Matt very interesting reading about the two divisions well put together with a lot of thought. Has any one else got some more ideas like this ?. The salary cap wont work for the simple reason that alot of paid players get paid cash and dont want to declare it or are rewarded in other ways ie-electrical goods, house works, concreteing etc.. I would still like to here from some of the propsed first and second division clubs and see what they have got to say.

 

[matt_nicholls]

Matt very interesting reading about the two divisions well put together with a lot of thought. Has any one else got some more ideas like this ?. The salary cap wont work for the simple reason that alot of paid players get paid cash and dont want to declare it or are rewarded in other ways ie-electrical goods, house works, concreteing etc.. I would still like to here from some of the propsed first and second division clubs and see what they have got to say.

RE the salary cap, did you even read what I wrote? Clubs can pay players as much as they like!

Halffull, I'll get back to you soon on the jumper clashes.

 

[Trueblueroo]

Do you reckon, a side like Rupertswood would consider this concept Matt? Make it a 20 team comp!!!

It would mean that would make money, rather than having to give it all to the VAFA!

How would a grading system be worked out? And would the winner of B grade go up and last come down .......

 

[bearsboy]

Do you reckon, a side like Rupertswood would consider this concept Matt? Make it a 20 team comp!!!

It would mean that would make money, rather than having to give it all to the VAFA!

How would a grading system be worked out? And would the winner of B grade go up and last come down .......

I believe there will not be a relegation - promotion system, the 2 divisions will stay as they are .

Although the concept is great i struggle to see how Romsey,Riddell or Woodend will compete with the Gisbornes and Sunburys at any stage in the next 10 years

 

[matt_nicholls]

Do you reckon, a side like Rupertswood would consider this concept Matt? Make it a 20 team comp!!!

It would mean that would make money, rather than having to give it all to the VAFA!

How would a grading system be worked out? And would the winner of B grade go up and last come down .......

There would be a relegation and promotion system. Rupertswood would have to do a lot of work before they could join. It's hard to go from amateur to pro.