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Opinion Re-drafting Ahmed Saad

Will Ahmed Saad be at St Kilda for the 2015 season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 65 84.4%
  • No

    Votes: 12 15.6%

  • Total voters
    77

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Its not promoting disloyalty, I'm pointing out that the AFL world is changing and it's better to accept that and get on with it, than be the last to realise. I saw it happen in the NFL as some clubs took a decade or more to struggle through the implementation of proper free agency; its only in the last 10 years it has evened out and become another equalisation measure. For its initial 10-15 year period it favoured the biggest and cash-heavy clubs, and that's how AFL is right now with Hawthorn seemingly playing it perfectly.

As you say, strength through loyalty is a truism. I have played 3 contact sports, 2 of them at a very high level including representative. Often the representative teams, the coaches would focus as much on off-field as the training together, as the key thing was to feel 'together' as a group and willing to literally put your body on the line to help another, who was potentially a stranger to you a few days ago. That's what I think strength through loyalty means. I don't feel it necessarily extends to the business side of things, where loyalty can also get you into trouble. We didn't show loyalty to Rhys Stanley, we showed him the door when presented with good value. We hired a head coach who didn't show loyalty to Port Adelaide, given his contract and the time of season and the verbal commitment he made to them not 48 hours prior.

But you concede yourself loyalty isn't an across-the-board thing. Any clever person takes a pragmatic approach to loyalty same as with anything else. Sing about it when it suits, change the subject when it doesn't. Technicaly we weren't loyal to Saad. We chose someone else first. If North had taken Saad in the first round, I don't feel that was the club being disloyal to him. Its just circumstances. And in this particular situation, we didn't create most of those circumstances, whilst Saad mostly did.

I'm glad to see him back too. But I don't care so much for loyalty in player dealings, I want the best players for the lowest payout, regardless. I would hate to see us screw ourselves over some intangible or moral gift such as loyalty or not wanting to irritate a rival club.
 
Its not promoting disloyalty, I'm pointing out that the AFL world is changing and it's better to accept that and get on with it, than be the last to realise. I saw it happen in the NFL as some clubs took a decade or more to struggle through the implementation of proper free agency; its only in the last 10 years it has evened out and become another equalisation measure. For its initial 10-15 year period it favoured the biggest and cash-heavy clubs, and that's how AFL is right now with Hawthorn seemingly playing it perfectly.

As you say, strength through loyalty is a truism. I have played 3 contact sports, 2 of them at a very high level including representative. Often the representative teams, the coaches would focus as much on off-field as the training together, as the key thing was to feel 'together' as a group and willing to literally put your body on the line to help another, who was potentially a stranger to you a few days ago. That's what I think strength through loyalty means. I don't feel it necessarily extends to the business side of things, where loyalty can also get you into trouble. We didn't show loyalty to Rhys Stanley, we showed him the door when presented with good value. We hired a head coach who didn't show loyalty to Port Adelaide, given his contract and the time of season and the verbal commitment he made to them not 48 hours prior.

But you concede yourself loyalty isn't an across-the-board thing. Any clever person takes a pragmatic approach to loyalty same as with anything else. Sing about it when it suits, change the subject when it doesn't. Technicaly we weren't loyal to Saad. We chose someone else first. If North had taken Saad in the first round, I don't feel that was the club being disloyal to him. Its just circumstances. And in this particular situation, we didn't create most of those circumstances, whilst Saad mostly did.

I'm glad to see him back too. But I don't care so much for loyalty in player dealings, I want the best players for the lowest payout, regardless. I would hate to see us screw ourselves over some intangible or moral gift such as loyalty or not wanting to irritate a rival club.
I think we agree, but I'd put it to you there's nothing wrong with having ethics (even if they are intangible). And an ethical response in a competitive environment is to give back in kind and to the same degree.

Much like what happens in a fair game of footy.
 

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Unless ASADA deviates at all from the general wording WADA recommends, he is not allowed to take part in any "organised activities"; specifically relating to anything do to with anyone else under the jurisdiction of a relevant association.
To give an example, the NFL is not actually covered by USADA or WADA, as they are registered as an entertainment industry and don't need backing from a sporting association as its not an Olympic sport and doesn't need international funding. So someone with a ban from athletics for example, could actually serve a different ban under NFL rules (often its 2-4 games there for a minor 1st offence) then train/play after that. Dwain Chambers trained in other sports whilst banned from athletics, including with the Miami Dolphins and the (amateur) national team.

But Saad cant even go into Linenhouse centre at the moment. He cant go on a team outing to the cinema. But if happened to be going for a run down the shore and Jarryn Geary and Jack Newnes just happened to be jogging by at the same time, thats fine...



Not someone under the jurisdiction of ASADA. So that rules out any coach registered with any governing body (which pretty much all will be otherwise their indemnity insurance is void). Personal trainers with private company would be the only option, and there are likely to be very few of those with the necessary coaching experience to work on kicking. At best a former player who now does PT would be about the best option, but even then people underestimate the skills involved in coaching. Having played yourself doesn't automatically gift you the assessment and teaching skills involved in judging someone else's kicking, any flaws, and designing a remediation and development plan.
That said, the main thing at AFL level is the fitness. Its unbelievable, and there's just no way a person could be at that level just by going for a run before work every morning. They would need to be in an elite performance environment and being challenged constantly, and I suspect he'll have managed to do that without breaching his ban. Technique stuff will likely need to be addressed from January.


He was training with an ex AFL player turned personal trainer so should be ready to go. I think it was Adam Iaccobucci or what ever his name was. I think he was at Collingwood from memory.
 
The Saad story deserves its own thread. It also helps keep the thread they were moved from on topic.
Except no one used this thread post movement lol and it was still relevant to the old thread. You guys do a good job but I reckon you need to let the threads roll on a bit more naturally unless theres a huge derail. Just my opinion!
 
Who was this and what was the story? This is the first I've heard of it :\

Word around the traps is that Petracca gave a very strong indication to Saints staff that he wanted to play for Collingwood, the club he supported growing up, at some point in his career.
 

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Word around the traps is that Petracca gave a very strong indication to Saints staff that he wanted to play for Collingwood, the club he supported growing up, at some point in his career.

I expext him to do his full two years under Roos, get his body right, play 30ish odd games then take an attractive contract from collingwood.
 
I dont know, have you seen his set shot goal kicking?
Yeah I have - its pretty accurate which I reckon is pretty important.

Goals to behinds conversion ratio is 64%, on a par with Milne, better than Ballantyne and not far shy of Jack Gunston @ 67% and I reckon Saad has had about twice as many snaps as Gunston.
 
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-11/saints-happy-with-saad-

Ban over, Saad a popular Saint - again


AHMED Saad has been welcomed back at St Kilda with open arms and is poised to burst back onto the AFL scene, defender Jarryn Geary says.

Geary said a few of the Saints had stayed in touch with him while he was serving his ban.

"I would send him messages every now and then to see how he was going," he said.

"When I got injured last year he sent me a couple of messages to see how I was tracking.

"He's definitely kept relationships with plenty of the boys and he's a really nice guy and easy to get along with.

"I'm sure he'll just kick off where he left off."

 
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-12-11/saints-happy-with-saad-

Ban over, Saad a popular Saint - again


AHMED Saad has been welcomed back at St Kilda with open arms and is poised to burst back onto the AFL scene, defender Jarryn Geary says.

Geary said a few of the Saints had stayed in touch with him while he was serving his ban.

"I would send him messages every now and then to see how he was going," he said.

"When I got injured last year he sent me a couple of messages to see how I was tracking.

"He's definitely kept relationships with plenty of the boys and he's a really nice guy and easy to get along with.

"I'm sure he'll just kick off where he left off."

I for one am excited about Saady's return.

He burst out of the blocks in 2012, and although he fell away in 2013, I'm expecting him to come out with a serious point to prove next year.
 

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Im super excited to have saad back. And even more excited to see our forward line in the next couple years. Membrey. McCartin. Saad. Looks good. Then with Eli, Minch. Lee. Lonie. We should have plenty goal kicking power coming through.
But just so rapt for Saady. Was one oc my fav players and i just know hes gona come back with a point yo prove type attitude and claim HIS spot as the saints no 1 small forward. Go Saady and Go Saints 2015.
 
The AFL Commission is set to confirm that St Kilda's Ahmed Saad will be allowed to resume training with club from January, despite being banned from playing until the end of February due to his doping suspension.

St Kilda's chief operating officer Ameet Bains said the AFL Commission was expected to allow Saad to train - a ruling in line with new government legislation on doping - at its scheduled meeting on Monday. "I think it will be a formality," he said.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-to-allow-saad-to-train-while-suspended-20141213-126m8w.html
 
Word around the traps is that Petracca gave a very strong indication to Saints staff that he wanted to play for Collingwood, the club he supported growing up, at some point in his career.

Sounds like crap to me.
You cant be a FA until 7 years. And every player would prefer to play for their childhood side but none seriously expect to.
He couldnt get there until he was 25 anyway.
Sounds like utter crap.
 
i'm 50/50 on Saad, showed a lot then dropped off. fast forward to 2014/15 we have a newer forward line structure with a new live wire in Eli. I hope he can show us some of that Saad magic again. But TBH i was very impressed with Eli so really looking forward to seeing him back out there in 2015
 
i'm 50/50 on Saad, showed a lot then dropped off. fast forward to 2014/15 we have a newer forward line structure with a new live wire in Eli. I hope he can show us some of that Saad magic again. But TBH i was very impressed with Eli so really looking forward to seeing him back out there in 2015
Eli will be a midfielder before long. Like Saunders as well they should be utilised a lot more with their huge motors. Think Saad definitely fills a need for us.
 

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