RECRUITING TEAM(whats going wrong?)

[tztommo]

The AFC have been one of the forces of the AFL for quite a few years. But they have never picked up well in the draft and if they have players have not showed their true potential. With the exception of stenglien,johncock and a few others who have come along nicely a lot of adelaide's draft pick have been wasted from my point of view.If anyone knows who were adelaide's top 2 draft pick for the past 5 years. i would like to know because you see teams like port adelaide who have finished on top for the past 3 years but still pick up decent players at the draft.

Adelaide have instead chosen to pick players like Ronnie Burns,Wayne Carey and loose draft picks for these has beens.Carey was a good pick up for some reasons but took a season to fire andthen was struck by injuries.

It is also well documented that adelaide could have picked up players like Pavlich but instead opted for Mcgregor,in the Carey trade we lost a top draft pick which ended landing Daniel Wells for the kangaroos. Mcgregor is a top player but just imagine having a Pavlich in our side. Carey was great for a few matches but just imagine have Daniel Wells in the side for years to come.

Just another thing i would like to know, is it a better move to recruit South Australian players rather then interstate players because whenever we do recruit interstate players they seem to want always go home after 2 or 3 years.

tommy

 

[jc67]

Pretty good post for a newb

I think i can sum up my opinion on the topic in just 2 words.





BLOODY AYRES

 

[AngelEyes]

Pretty good post for a newb

I think i can sum up my opinion on the topic in just 2 words.





BLOODY AYRES

This is funny because I was actually talking to DT about this today...and I'll add another two words;

BLOODY BLIGHT.

 

[jc67]

No argument here, but Blight is excused because of the flags.

I just hope we recover quicker than geelong did.

 

[RooDog]

This is funny because I was actually talking to DT about this today...and I'll add another two words;

BLOODY BLIGHT.

good to see you are spreading the word DT!! god knows i thought you were the only one who realised blight was a sh|+house recruiter

 

[AngelEyes]

No argument here, but Blight is excused because of the flags.

yet Shaw's name is wrongfully run into the ground for setting the club up with out Premiership players; Roo, Goody, Edwards, etc.

 

[jc67]

yet Shaw's name is wrongfully run into the ground for setting the club up with out Premiership players; Roo, Goody, Edwards, etc.

Lost me there, Shaw was a shocking coach i mean compleatly inept at training and game day, he did allow the recruiting dept to do their job but i doubt he had that much input.
PS, wasn't roo 93? but anyway he was a no brainer as a selection, stiffy posted some of his stats as a 14 year old once iirc(might not be accurate) won a GF playing in the seniors at age 14 kicking 8 goals, polled 3rd in the association B&F and at that time the the riverland league was a high standard.

 

[AngelEyes]

PS, wasn't roo 93? but anyway he was a no brainer as a selection, stiffy posted some of his stats as a 14 year old once iirc(might not be accurate) won a GF playing in the seniors at age 14 kicking 8 goals, polled 3rd in the association B&F and at that time the the riverland league was a high standard.

no sorry about that. you were right roo was before. However with Shaw we recieved jarman, edwards, goodwin, mcleod, k johnson, vardy, mccartney, koster, connell, caven.

some of our best years behind the recruiting desk.

 

[noddy]

This is funny because I was actually talking to DT about this today...and I'll add another two words;

BLOODY BLIGHT.

Maybe Blighty didn't look too far in the future in terms of recruiting but do you or anyone else really believe that we would have 2 flags hanging on the wall if not for Malcolm Blight ??


Blighty came to the Club at the right time & got the most out of (if not more) the players he had available & the only grief i have against him was his statement at the end of 99 when he said he had left Gary Ayres a list that was capable of winning another flag which turned out to be a load of cods-wallop & set the club & it's supporters for a fall that has gone on for to long.

If i remember correctly didn't Bob Hammond declare on GF day that no player that played would be traded or delinted that year?? so maybe we can put a bit of the blame on Bobs shoulders as well as others for not looking to the future.

 

[afc9798]

Maybe Blighty didn't look too far in the future in terms of recruiting but do you or anyone else really believe that we would have 2 flags hanging on the wall if not for Malcolm Blight ??


Blighty came to the Club at the right time & got the most out of (if not more) the players he had available & the only grief i have against him was his statement at the end of 99 when he said he had left Gary Ayres a list that was capable of winning another flag which turned out to be a load of cods-wallop & set the club & it's supporters for a fall that has gone on for to long.

If i remember correctly didn't Bob Hammond declare on GF day that no player that played would be traded or delinted that year?? so maybe we can put a bit of the blame on Bobs shoulders as well as others for not looking to the future.

Agreed totally. Blight did his job and did it magnificently, albeit leaving the club in poor shape. That said I wouldn't trade those flags for anything. Had he not gone about it the way he did, we would probably end up like a West Coast-hanging around the 8, but not doing any damage. I personally have no regrets after having the 2 great experiences of 97 and 98. Time to look forward at how the club can again become a success.

It would be interesting to see what people would be saying had we not won a flag by now. I know I would be past impatient.

The great thing about our situation now is that there is a clear mandate to rebuild the club and prepare it for an era of sustained success. If we get it right, I am sure that we can be a force within 3 years. If my initial misgivings about Craig are proven, we may not be a force for many years to come.

 

[Mad Dog]

AFC coaches as recruiters

Shaw.......daylight....Cornes.....daylight......Blight...Ayres.

Craig - we'll see.

 

[baaaallllll]

97 Draft

17 Lance Picione
33 James Thiessen
49 Ian Perrie
Trades
Nathan Basset from Melb for Mathew Collins and Brent Williams
Mark Stevens for McCartney (Kangas)
Ian Downsborough for Chalmers (Port)

98 Draft

16 Brett Burton
29 Stinger (Pick 29 from Freo for Modra)
32 David Gallager
34 Beinke (Pick 34 from Freo for Modra)
48 Lucas Hurburt
63 Clint Kirkey
75 Ken McGregor
80 Brodie Atkinson (Pick 80 from WC for Chad Rintoul)

Ben Marsh and Sudjai Cook elevated from Rookie list

99 Draft

Pre Season pick 12 Darryl Wintie

36 Rhett Biglands
51 Ricky O'Louglin
65 Justin Cicolella
67 Shirley
79 Balraj Singh
83 Mathew Shir

Trades

Mathew Clarke for draft selection 6 and 21 to Brissy (6 Cupido and 21 Scott Stevens)

Scott Welsh for draft pick 77 to the Kangas
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Can't see how Kenny McGregor could have been involved with Pav. I thought we had a chance of getting Pav when we were going for Carey.

97 and 98 draft weren't great but not absolute shockers, 99 was not too flash.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Can't see how Kenny McGregor could have been involved with Pav. I thought we had a chance of getting Pav when we were going for Carey.

97 and 98 draft weren't great but not absolute shockers, 99 was not too flash.

We picked Kenny as our 17 yo player over Pavlich.

'99 was a shocker for the club.

 

[baaaallllll]

We picked Kenny as our 17 yo player over Pavlich.

'99 was a shocker for the club.

I still don't understand, Kenny was pick 75 in 98 draft and Pav was pick 4 in 99 draft??

 

[- PC -]

The great thing about our situation now is that there is a clear mandate to rebuild the club and prepare it for an era of sustained success. If we get it right, I am sure that we can be a force within 3 years. If my initial misgivings about Craig are proven, we may not be a force for many years to come.

I have said that with the list we have and a few good choices we can be a contender in 2007 but I think we need to either develop a gun CHF or recruit one.. Klug was great but no gun Robran ditto and Stevens is to injury prone ..needs more meat.

If you look at the teams who won flags after 98 you will see one constant feature...a dominant CHF (apart from Essendon) Lucas good but not dominant

Someone like J Brown or a W Tredrea or a younger W Carey

Were not far away people

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I still don't understand, Kenny was pick 75 in 98 draft and Pav was pick 4 in 99 draft??

Each club in '98 could pick only one 17 yo player. We chose Kenny ahead of Pav who was also a 17 yo at the time. Pav wasn't claimed by any club in '98, but come '99 was always going to be an earlier pick.

 

[johnnypanther]

AFC coaches as recruiters

Shaw.......daylight....Cornes.....daylight......Blight...Ayres.

Craig - we'll see.

i must disagree with you blokes - my assessment is:

Shaw.....daylight......Ayres.....Cornes....daylight...Blight


i think assessment of recruiting under Ayres has been harshly evaluated:
- the future will tell but look at - Johncock,Hentschell, Watts, Jericho, Krueger, Andrews, Reilly, Rutten, Schuback,Mattner, Bock

- i think our current problems stem largelyfrom 3 areas:
(i) the Blight recruiting era (2 premierships does not preclude criticism of this area)
(ii) the continual trading away of our 1st two draft picks (or where we had a pick - the incorrect choice - as in a nonmarking ruckman like Milligan) in search of that elusive key forward and a ruckman to the exclusion of just selecting the next best talent
(iii) just plain bad luck with injuries etc - for example:
- the Carey trade for the no 4 draft pick (read my lips 4! FOUR!!!) - ie Tim Walsh - who is he?) - i think that was a trade that gave us the chance to snag a premiership unfortunately we could never or rarely ever get Stevens,Welsh & Carey together on the park at the same time
- Angwin: an enormous talent as both the AFC & Carlton recognised

Anyway i think recruiting under Ayres is 2nd only to that under Shaw with daylight to Cornes and a year's daylight at least to Blight

 

[- PC -]

Repeated post

 

[tztommo]

97 Draft

17 Lance Picione
33 James Thiessen
49 Ian Perrie
Trades
Nathan Basset from Melb for Mathew Collins and Brent Williams
Mark Stevens for McCartney (Kangas)
Ian Downsborough for Chalmers (Port)

98 Draft

16 Brett Burton
29 Stinger (Pick 29 from Freo for Modra)
32 David Gallager
34 Beinke (Pick 34 from Freo for Modra)
48 Lucas Hurburt
63 Clint Kirkey
75 Ken McGregor
80 Brodie Atkinson (Pick 80 from WC for Chad Rintoul)

Ben Marsh and Sudjai Cook elevated from Rookie list

99 Draft

Pre Season pick 12 Darryl Wintie

36 Rhett Biglands
51 Ricky O'Louglin
65 Justin Cicolella
67 Shirley
79 Balraj Singh
83 Mathew Shir

Trades

Mathew Clarke for draft selection 6 and 21 to Brissy (6 Cupido and 21 Scott Stevens)

Scott Welsh for draft pick 77 to the Kangas
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Can't see how Kenny McGregor could have been involved with Pav. I thought we had a chance of getting Pav when we were going for Carey.

97 and 98 draft weren't great but not absolute shockers, 99 was not too flash.

my exact point is that the only players adelaide picked up in 97 and 98,99 that stuck around were ian perrie,mcgregor,shirley,burton,biglands,clark,welsh.
So after 97 and 98,98 adelaide only picked up 6 first team players when you include mark stevens and nathan basset.clark was picked up wasting 2 early picks.

but when you compare to teams like port you see a lot of youth in there side and they can still win premierships with that youth.

does anybody know whos on adelaides recruiting team?

 

[baaaallllll]

Mcgregor was taken earlier then Pavlich and the adelaide board thought pavlich would still be around the next round so they took mcgregor, but fremantle took pavlich before adelaide had another chance to grab him.

No doesn't make sense, refer above, Mcgregor was in 98 draft, Pav in 99 Draft.

 

[baaaallllll]

Each club in '98 could pick only one 17 yo player. We chose Kenny ahead of Pav who was also a 17 yo at the time. Pav wasn't claimed by any club in '98, but come '99 was always going to be an earlier pick.

Sorry Kane, did not see your post, thanks for that. However it is hard to just blame Adelaide for missing Pav, 15 other clubs did as well.

Also tough to compare our recruiting in 97 to Port when Port hid players such as Tredders, Dew, Lade ect and got done for misleading the draft and fined $50K

 

[baaaallllll]

i must disagree with you blokes - my assessment is:

Shaw.....daylight......Ayres.....Cornes....daylight...Blight


i think assessment of recruiting under Ayres has been harshly evaluated:
- the future will tell but look at - Johncock,Hentschell, Watts, Jericho, Krueger, Andrews, Reilly, Rutten, Schuback,Mattner, Bock

- i think our current problems stem largelyfrom 3 areas:
(i) the Blight recruiting era (2 premierships does not preclude criticism of this area)
(ii) the continual trading away of our 1st two draft picks (or where we had a pick - the incorrect choice - as in a nonmarking ruckman like Milligan) in search of that elusive key forward and a ruckman to the exclusion of just selecting the next best talent
(iii) just plain bad luck with injuries etc - for example:
- the Carey trade for the no 4 draft pick (read my lips 4! FOUR!!!) - ie Tim Walsh - who is he?) - i think that was a trade that gave us the chance to snag a premiership unfortunately we could never or rarely ever get Stevens,Welsh & Carey together on the park at the same time
- Angwin: an enormous talent as both the AFC & Carlton recognised

Anyway i think recruiting under Ayres is 2nd only to that under Shaw with daylight to Cornes and a year's daylight at least to Blight

While I agree Adelaide was a little unlucky with not being able to have all of its stars playing due to injury i.e Stevens , Welsh & Carey. I think some finger pointing at Ayres is warranted.

He overrided advice to go for Cornes and instead went for Angwin. Gave up pick 12 for Bode and they got S Burgoyne and at the end of the day the Carey experiment did not work and hence he has to take some responsbility for it and Pick 4 was upgraded to Pick 2 due to Carlton saga, so hence we did miss out on Wells.

 

[- PC -]

While I agree Adelaide was a little unlucky....

I think some finger pointing at Ayres is warranted.

He overrided advice to go for Cornes and instead went for Angwin.

I am certain Ayres and Angwin go back to Ayres friendship with Angwins dad who also played at Hawthorn

Blinkered vision maybe or misguided loyalty to a friend.

 

[tztommo]

yes it is hard to compare to port but adelaide could afford to do the exact same thing couldn't they?

i would have to say though that adelaide's drafting last pre season was well done.the main reason behind this is that they didnt trade of their 1 and 2 draft picks.

tommy

 

[drakeyv2]

- the Carey trade for the no 4 draft pick (read my lips 4! FOUR!!!) - ie Tim Walsh - who is he?) -

Funny

I thought the Kangaroos got to use this as the 2nd pick & got Dan Wells.

It was the number 2 pick matey. Spin it as much as you want, but when push comes to shove it was the 2nd pick & we gave up a potential 200+ game player for a key forward who played 20 odd games & wasn't able to hold down key a forward position.

Don't tell me that Adelaide & Richmond had no idea that this pick was going to go from 4 to 2. It was widely tipped that Carlton were going to loose their early draft picks. If Adelaide & Richmond did not give this consideration then they are in even worse shape than I fear.