Society & Culture Retribution....

[radiojake]

I started this new thread as so not to de-rail the other -

I hope they lock him in a cell and every couple of hour's just shoot him in the leg, or the arm.

I find this kind of attitute interesting - It seems to be a common reaction by many that heinous crimes should be met with something equally as heinous. It's by no means limited to Rendered Unsafe, and I only chose this quote because it was a readily available example.

If Today/Tonight or ACA were to go and randomly interview people on the street about what should be done with James Holmes, I am sure you will find a plethora of people willing to bring back capital punishment into place, and some to explicitly say something like "and lethal injection would be too good" -


I am here to say that I just do not get it - I have never felt a rage or a need to make sure that criminals should have to endure some kind of sadistic torture - Whether or not one 'deserves' it or not is a completely subjective opinion - Ofcourse none in the cinema deserved to have to go through that ordeal, and I am not saying that Holmes doesn't deserve punishment for his actions, but I have to wonder about people's mindset when they are so willing to jump to physical and violent retribution -

We wonder how something like this shooting can happen, yet we don't question the fact that there is practically a lynch mob waiting with pitchforks for this guy -

Are the attitudes of the gunman all that dissimilar to the mob retribution mentality that pervades many?

just some things to ponder....

 

[RU_]

I started this new thread as so not to de-rail the other -




I find this kind of attitute interesting - It seems to be a common reaction by many that heinous crimes should be met with something equally as heinous. It's by no means limited to Rendered Unsafe, and I only chose this quote because it was a readily available example.

If Today/Tonight or ACA were to go and randomly interview people on the street about what should be done with James Holmes, I am sure you will find a plethora of people willing to bring back capital punishment into place, and some to explicitly say something like "and lethal injection would be too good" -


I am here to say that I just do not get it - I have never felt a rage or a need to make sure that criminals should have to endure some kind of sadistic torture - Whether or not one 'deserves' it or not is a completely subjective opinion - Ofcourse none in the cinema deserved to have to go through that ordeal, and I am not saying that Holmes doesn't deserve punishment for his actions, but I have to wonder about people's mindset when they are so willing to jump to physical and violent retribution -

We wonder how something like this shooting can happen, yet we don't question the fact that there is practically a lynch mob waiting with pitchforks for this guy -

Are the attitudes of the gunman all that dissimilar to the mob retribution mentality that pervades many?

just some things to ponder....

My whole reasoning is that he has killed 10+ people, and injured at least 30 I believe.. yet he gets to sit in a prison cell, free food, drink, TV (apparently) and basically get's away with it. While those who have died families must now stew on their loved one's gone while he sits in a jail cell with less than a care in the world.

P.S - My thoughts above weren't real as in I would hope they do that, I hope he feels that much pain but it's pretty stupid to just shoot at an inmate.

 

[ep2018]

He will get bashed in prison

 

[Bluelegs]

He will get r*ped in prison

fixed.

 

[azreal]

I started this new thread as so not to de-rail the other
I find this kind of attitute interesting - It seems to be a common reaction by many that heinous crimes should be met with something equally as heinous. It's by no means limited to Rendered Unsafe, and I only chose this quote because it was a readily available example.

I am here to say that I just do not get it - I have never felt a rage or a need to make sure that criminals should have to endure some kind of sadistic torture - Whether or not one 'deserves' it or not is a completely subjective opinion - Ofcourse none in the cinema deserved to have to go through that ordeal, and I am not saying that Holmes doesn't deserve punishment for his actions, but I have to wonder about people's mindset when they are so willing to jump to physical and violent retribution -

Maybe once you, or one of your loved ones, become a victim of crime your opinion might change.

 

[radiojake]

Maybe once you, or one of your loved ones, become a victim of crime your opinion might change.

That's the thing - I have thought about that, I've been amazingly lucky that I haven't known anyone to have fallen into such a horrible situation. Obviously I can't say for sure how I will react, but I get the feeling that I still would feel the same....

also, what does that say about those who are still calling for blood even though they have no connection whatsoever to the victims?


I am not having a go at anyone about their reactions - people deal with shock in different ways - I just thought it was an interesting topic to discuss...

 

[Poseidon]

The families of the victims are left without their loved ones, and furthermore their tax dollars are now going to go towards paying for the food and accomodation for the man that took their loved ones away. I'm all for harsher penalties, if people want to go and watch a movie they should be able to do so without fear. Anybody who wants to take this freedom away should be made an example of.

 

[Aussie Assault]

The families of the victims are left without their loved ones, and furthermore their tax dollars are now going to go towards paying for the food and accomodation for the man that took their loved ones away. I'm all for harsher penalties, if people want to go and watch a movie they should be able to do so without fear. Anybody who wants to take this freedom away should be made an example of.

Exactly. One thing I always find somewhat unjustified is that the more despicable of crime a person commits, the more likely they'll be protected from the general prison population. I do understand the reasons for this but as justice for a victims family I certainly wouldn't be against these types being throw to the wolves.

 

[bunsen burner]

yet he gets to sit in a prison cell, free food, drink, TV (apparently) and basically get's away with it.

I have nothing but disdain for simpletons like you. By the way, resentment is an ugly trait.

 

[bunsen burner]

Maybe once you, or one of your loved ones, become a victim of crime your opinion might change.

I feel the same as the OP and know that if this sort of thing happened to a family member it wouldn't change my view.

 

[RU_]

I have nothing but disdain for simpletons like you. By the way, resentment is an ugly trait.

What are you on about? He goes to jail where he receives meals, entertainment, and all the other packages and most of it gets paid for by tax payers. Couldn't care less what you think to be honest, you seem like you are happy for him to do that, and then to rot in jail with that being the final punishment.. it doesn't even seem like a punishment.

 

[Thrawn]

On one hand, I understand the reaction. People want to vent their disgust at these human beings - make them *really* regret their actions. On the other hand, I could argue that the people who want to torture this person are stooping to his level. Okay, he might deserve a beating and I'm not going to lie, I feel like doing the same thing to some human beings, particularly people like this. Hell, even with animal abusers I'd like to have my way with them. However, that said, it is not my place to serve justice - that is for our legal system to decide. If people do the things they say out of frustration and anger, they would most likely be sharing a prison cell with him.

Is it worth that?

And if we start to torture these people, then what does that say about us, people who are opposed to torture but do it because we deem it appropriate? I'm not even sure most of you will do some of the things you mentioned, in reality I'd probably want to beat up this guy too but I'd show restraint because this 'human' isn't worth ruining my life by getting a conviction and possible jail sentence.

For the people complaining about prison conditions - yeah, maybe they are too nice. But if you want them to be Bali-level, then consider all the other inmates with who've done less worse. Like fraud, for example. And what if a relative of yours ends up in prison, would you like their rights to disappear too? Somehow I doubt that. If you torture this guy, you'll achieve nothing but satisfying bloodlust. That's it. It might make *you* feel better, but he'll still be a scumbag and it won't bring dead people back. It is better to just force him into shit jobs that will benefit the community, under guard.

 

[bunsen burner]

What are you on about? He goes to jail where he receives meals, entertainment, and all the other packages and most of it gets paid for by tax payers.

I think you've been listening to talk back radio for too long there champ. Jail isn't a resort.

As I said, I can only have disdain for people like you who think this shit. Just because this person is absolute scum doesn't mean jail is cushy. Oh, and you really need to get over the resentment you have for a portion of your taxes paying for corrective services. I really do pity you are unable to accept this part of life. You should spend your time worrying about things that actually matter.

Couldn't care less what you think to be honest, you seem like you are happy for him to do that, and then to rot in jail with that being the final punishment.. it doesn't even seem like a punishment.

Has it ever occurred to you a much bigger problem is the US gun laws? You're so steeped in resentment at the back end process you can't see the bigger picture. People commit murder. They get tried. They go to jail. Tax payers fund it. You can't really change that. Not point being a massive dick about it and harbouring resentment. The gun laws however can be changed and whilst they won't eradicate the problem they will go a long way towards reducing it.

 

[RU_]

I think you've been listening to talk back radio for too long there champ. Jail isn't a resort.

As I said, I can only have disdain for people like you who think this shit. Just because this person is absolute scum doesn't mean jail is cushy. Oh, and you really need to get over the resentment you have for a portion of your taxes paying for corrective services. I really do pity you are unable to accept this part of life. You should spend your time worrying about things that actually matter.

Has it ever occurred to you a much bigger problem is the US gun laws? You're so steeped in resentment at the back end process you can't see the bigger picture. People commit murder. They get tried. They go to jail. Tax payers fund it. You can't really change that. Not point being a massive dick about it and harbouring resentment. The gun laws however can be changed and whilst they won't eradicate the problem they will go a long way towards reducing it.

For one, that is the first time I have brought up taxes. Also, it would take multiple years to change the gun laws, and during that time the 'black market' can pop up, and they end up in the exact same predicament. Changing the laws now would probably make it worse off due to the amount of people who have guns.

This is all own opinion type shit though mate, certain people want certain things. Guess we just don't have the same opinion.

 

[Caesar]

Personally, I don't think retribution has any place in the criminal justice system. It's a big reason why I have never liked victim advocacy groups.

Crime is committed against society as a whole, and punishment should be designed to serve the wider interests of society. In that context, the individual criminal and the individual victim are irrelevant.

For example there are plenty of crimes where I believe that the criminal does not deserve to live. Nonetheless I don't think it is in the interests of society for the government to be allowed to execute its own citizens. Therefore I oppose the death penalty.

 

[bunsen burner]

This is all own opinion type shit though mate,

Fact: you harbour resentment for something that's just a part of life.

Nothing to do with opinion.

 

[RU_]

Fact: you harbour resentment for something that's just a part of life.

Nothing to do with opinion.

It is to do with an opinion though? Your opinion is that they shouldn't feel what other families are and they should receive a jail sentence where they are entitled to living with a baby sitter essentially. My opinion is that the man should receive the same pain that he has caused others.

It's all opinionated.

 

[bunsen burner]

It is to do with an opinion though? Your opinion is that they shouldn't feel what other families are and they should receive a jail sentence where they are entitled to living with a baby sitter essentially. My opinion is that the man should receive the same pain that he has caused others.

It's all opinionated.

What are you, stupid?

Do you or do you not resent having some of your tax go towards keeping prisoners?

 

[RU_]

What are you, stupid?

Do you or do you not resent having some of your tax go towards keeping prisoners?

I don't pay tax yet, so no.

That is subject to change when I start paying tax.

 

[bunsen burner]

I don't pay tax yet, so no.

That is subject to change when I start paying tax.

Exactly my point: you are harbor resentment for something that you really should just accept as part of living in democratic first world country. We both agree you harbor resentment so I'm not sure why opinion has anything to do with it?

 

[RU_]

Exactly my point: you are harbor resentment for something that you really should just accept as part of living in democratic first world country. We both agree you harbor resentment so I'm not sure why opinion has anything to do with it?

No, all I am saying is that this guy has killed 12 people and injured at least 30 others, with no motive behind his actions yet. In my OPINION he should be thrown to the sharks, because essentially as I said earlier he is living off tax payers money, and is basically just going to be baby sit by guards. There is no point in him being alive anymore, but once again this is my OPINION.

Your OPINION is that retribution shouldn't be on people's minds, and that being in jail would be a good punishment.

 

[bunsen burner]

blah blah blah the world is unfair

I'm not going to bother reading your rubbish. I feel sorry for you. So young but so full of resentment. You won't get far in life sweating the small stuff. Pretty sure the best you can hope for is a remedial job anyway. Good luck with that.

 

[fairdinkum]

I know what you mean, radiojake.

I think I've posted about it before on this site.

Back when Arthur Feeman threw his kid off the bridge, I still had a facebook account.

I remember seeing a plethora of otherwise seemingly intelligent people joining/liking/whatever groups with titles like 'I hope Arthur Freeman gets r*ped', 'I think we should throw Arthur Freeman off a bridge', 'rabble rabble rabble'.

I lost some of my faith in humanity that day. I remember it well.

This world needs a new saviour.

 

[Messenger]

No, all I am saying is that this guy has killed 12 people and injured at least 30 others, with no motive behind his actions yet. In my OPINION he should be thrown to the sharks, because essentially as I said earlier he is living off tax payers money, and is basically just going to be baby sit by guards. There is no point in him being alive anymore, but once again this is my OPINION.

Your OPINION is that retribution shouldn't be on people's minds, and that being in jail would be a good punishment.

If you think prison is a holiday camp, you're insane.

And as a taxpayer, I'm quite content to pay to keep them away from me. In fact some death penalty jurisdictions have found its cheaper to hold a prisoner on a life sentence.

 

[RU_]

I'm not going to bother reading your rubbish. I feel sorry for you. So young but so full of resentment. You won't get far in life sweating the small stuff. Pretty sure the best you can hope for is a remedial job anyway. Good luck with that.

Once again, your opinion.