RIP Dean Jones

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Hamingja said:
I got the notification on the phone about an entertaining batsman passing away and thought it would have been someone of a later era like a Doug Walters. Dean Jones way too young. RIP.
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How is Doug Walters still alive? He must have smoked a couple of tobacco plantations before he gave up.
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After the final day of the thrilling draw in the third Test against New Zealand in 1987-88, players from both teams gathered on the field to shake hands. After Dean Jones shakes hands with a few Kiwis, he sees Richard Hadlee, who offers his hand. Hadlee had dismissed Jones for under ten runs three times in the series. Jones ignores Hadlee's handshake, steps forward, gives Paddles a hug and then has a chat.
 

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Flogwater said:
Jones was harshly treated in being left out of the side for the 1992-93 West Indies series. He performed well in the previous series in Sri Lanka, a challenging series in which Australia had a fortunate 1-0 result.

The selectors persisted with Mark Waugh, who made four ducks in a row in Sri Lanka (as noted in previous posts), and gave a young Damien Martyn a run, perhaps a year or two too early. Steve Waugh, who had not played a Test for over a year, was recalled and shoe-horned into the number 3 position. He looked uncomfortable at first drop and his performances there were inconsistent.

Jones deserved more of an opportunity before he was axed from the Test side. His conflict with Bob Simpson was probably the main reason for his omission.
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It’s ridiculous when you see the end result that Mark Waugh was half the player that Deano was.
 
Borisdog said:
I'm no Mark Waugh cheerleader, but he was a bit better than that!
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RIP Deano, what a player! He never should have been dropped, that was a ******* disgrace especially when Mark Waugh had such a poor series. However they were both great batsmen. Meanwhile Greg Matthews doesn't know why everyone is making such a big deal of this, Matthews believes the conditions in the hotel were perfect for a heart attack and he also points out that hundreds if not thousands of other people also had fatal heart attacks on the day.
 
qman said:
RIP Deano, what a player! He never should have been dropped, that was a ******* disgrace especially when Mark Waugh had such a poor series. However they were both great batsmen. Meanwhile Greg Matthews doesn't know why everyone is making such a big deal of this, Matthews believes the conditions in the hotel were perfect for a heart attack and he also points out that hundreds if not thousands of other people also had fatal heart attacks on the day.
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Don't really think anyone cares about what Matthews thinks about the innings in Madras. He was just talking about a cricket game however and would most likely be shocked and saddened by Dean's death as we all are. Not sure why you would bother with such a post.
 
qman said:
RIP Deano, what a player! He never should have been dropped, that was a ******* disgrace especially when Mark Waugh had such a poor series. However they were both great batsmen. Meanwhile Greg Matthews doesn't know why everyone is making such a big deal of this, Matthews believes the conditions in the hotel were perfect for a heart attack and he also points out that hundreds if not thousands of other people also had fatal heart attacks on the day.
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Some people really are just miserable. Even if Matthews is right, why say it? You don’t like the bloke you really don’t have to say anything about his death, only makes you look like a s**t bloke Greg!
 
Flogwater said:
Jones was harshly treated in being left out of the side for the 1992-93 West Indies series. He performed well in the previous series in Sri Lanka, a challenging series in which Australia had a fortunate 1-0 result.

The selectors persisted with Mark Waugh, who made four ducks in a row in Sri Lanka (as noted in previous posts), and gave a young Damien Martyn a run, perhaps a year or two too early. Steve Waugh, who had not played a Test for over a year, was recalled and shoe-horned into the number 3 position. He looked uncomfortable at first drop and his performances there were inconsistent.

Jones deserved more of an opportunity before he was axed from the Test side. His conflict with Bob Simpson was probably the main reason for his omission.
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I do remember that time well, and Deano had been living dangerously for a while in the test side.

He’d had a pretty lean time both home summers 90-91 and 91-92, and had been propped up by some big dead rubber scores.

The Sri Lanka series was the best series he’d had for a while and admittedly others like Mark Waugh struggled big time.

Then in the lead up to the first test in 92, Melbourne had a super wet October and November that year as well meaning Deano barely had a hit before the first test, while the Waugh’s and Martyn had made good runs in the shield lead up games.

So there is a fair bit too it from the time, wasn’t a simple conspiracy against Deano. He probably should of got another go in the test side at some stage though, but we did have a lot of talent around at that time.
 
Mr X said:
Some people really are just miserable. Even if Matthews is right, why say it? You don’t like the bloke you really don’t have to say anything about his death, only makes you look like a sh*t bloke Greg!
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Poster was taking the piss, Mo hasn’t said anything like that in regards to Deano’s death
 
Blue1980 said:
I do remember that time well, and Deano had been living dangerously for a while in the test side.

He’d had a pretty lean time both home summers 90-91 and 91-92, and had been propped up by some big dead rubber scores.

The Sri Lanka series was the best series he’d had for a while and admittedly others like Mark Waugh struggled big time.

Then in the lead up to the first test in 92, Melbourne had a super wet October and November that year as well meaning Deano barely had a hit before the first test, while the Waugh’s and Martyn had made good runs in the shield lead up games.

So there is a fair bit too it from the time, wasn’t a simple conspiracy against Deano. He probably should of got another go in the test side at some stage though, but we did have a lot of talent around at that time.
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Good points.

Overall, Jones' run of scores in the 1990-91 Ashes, 1990-91 West Indies series and 1991-92 series against India was not impressive. He was under pressure prior to making an unbeaten 150 against India in Perth in the second innings of the last Test.

However, the fact that he performed well in the 1992 Sri Lanka series, only two-three months before the West Indies series started, suggests the decision to drop him was not supported by the evidence of his recent batting performances.
 
Flogwater said:
Good points.

Overall, Jones' run of scores in the 1990-91 Ashes, 1990-91 West Indies series and 1991-92 series against India was not impressive. He was under pressure prior to making an unbeaten 150 against India in Perth in the second innings of the last Test.

However, the fact that he performed well in the 1992 Sri Lanka series, only two-three months before the West Indies series started, suggests the decision to drop him was not supported by the evidence of his recent batting performances.
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No, and personal issues which Simmo had with Deano would of played a part, plus the love affair the selectors had with Damien Martyn at that point, before he became a pariah 18 months later.

Point is he had been struggling for a while and the Sri Lanka series was his first good series for over 2 years. He had a bit of a reputation for piling it on in dead rubber matches (184 v england 87, 216 v windies 89, 150 v India 92) and his record against the Windies was overall pretty poor.

Now Mark Waugh had scored 4 ducks in a row in Sri Lanka, but had started the shield season strong and also had a good series in the West Indies in 91 which was in his favour.

Steve Waugh, his domestic form warranted a call up, but batting him at 3 was rather bizarre and once he went back to his 5/6 position he dominated again after the 92/93 series.

So yes there were a few factors at play, but in saying that he should definitely have been in and around the national setup and played more tests after 92.
 
Blue1980 said:
No, and personal issues which Simmo had with Deano would of played a part, plus the love affair the selectors had with Damien Martyn at that point, before he became a pariah 18 months later.

Point is he had been struggling for a while and the Sri Lanka series was his first good series for over 2 years. He had a bit of a reputation for piling it on in dead rubber matches (184 v england 87, 216 v windies 89, 150 v India 92) and his record against the Windies was overall pretty poor.

Now Mark Waugh had scored 4 ducks in a row in Sri Lanka, but had started the shield season strong and also had a good series in the West Indies in 91 which was in his favour.

Steve Waugh, his domestic form warranted a call up, but batting him at 3 was rather bizarre and once he went back to his 5/6 position he dominated again after the 92/93 series.

So yes there were a few factors at play, but in saying that he should definitely have been in and around the national setup and played more tests after 92.
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NSW vs Vic batsmen.....we know who gets picked
 

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Blue1980 said:
No, and personal issues which Simmo had with Deano would of played a part, plus the love affair the selectors had with Damien Martyn at that point, before he became a pariah 18 months later.

Point is he had been struggling for a while and the Sri Lanka series was his first good series for over 2 years. He had a bit of a reputation for piling it on in dead rubber matches (184 v england 87, 216 v windies 89, 150 v India 92) and his record against the Windies was overall pretty poor.

Now Mark Waugh had scored 4 ducks in a row in Sri Lanka, but had started the shield season strong and also had a good series in the West Indies in 91 which was in his favour.

Steve Waugh, his domestic form warranted a call up, but batting him at 3 was rather bizarre and once he went back to his 5/6 position he dominated again after the 92/93 series.

So yes there were a few factors at play, but in saying that he should definitely have been in and around the national setup and played more tests after 92.
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Good call.

Jones' struggles in home series also included 1987-88, when he had a lean run against NZ and Hadlee in particular, followed by an OK performance in the Bicentennial Test against England and a hundred in the final Test of the summer against Sri Lanka.

The only home summer in which his Test performances were consistently sound (or better) was 1989-90.

What do you make of the claim that Jones would have excelled in T20s?
 
Flogwater said:
Good call.

Jones' struggles in home series also included 1987-88, when he had a lean run against NZ and Hadlee in particular, followed by an OK performance in the Bicentennial Test against England and a hundred in the final Test of the summer against Sri Lanka.

The only home summer in which his Test performances were consistently sound (or better) was 1989-90.

What do you make of the claim that Jones would have excelled in T20s?
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I think he would of excelled in T20 for sure, he could do the big hitting as well as scampering for quick singles and proper cricket shots as well.

Great outfielder too, he’d have been able to us use his off breaks too in t20 as well.

In an alternate world where t20 existed with franchise leagues back in the 90s, chances are deano would of been a gun for hire from 94 onwards.

In terms of his test career his best stretch was from 5th test v Windies in 89, 89 ashes and then the 89-90 home summer.

In saying that with the runs he was making for Victoria chances are he’d have had done very well if he’d got another go between 93-98, a period Deano himself thinks he was at his best as a first class/test batsmen, and funnily enough thinks he wasn’t as good at 50 over cricket by then.
 
FRUMPY said:
NSW vs Vic batsmen.....we know who gets picked
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I’ve never really brought this conspiracy theory, we generally just don’t produce as many good cricketers.

I think Hodge could of played more test cricket, and Deano could of at the time too but from 92-06 we had an embarrassment of riches so it was hard for anyone to get in, heaps of fantastic players barely played test cricket from that era, who’d be walk up starts if they were around today.
 
Blue1980 said:
I’ve never really brought this conspiracy theory, we generally just don’t produce as many good cricketers.

I think Hodge could of played more test cricket, and Deano could of at the time too but from 92-06 we had an embarrassment of riches so it was hard for anyone to get in, heaps of fantastic players barely played test cricket from that era, who’d be walk up starts if they were around today.
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Agree in regard to Victorian Batsmen. Jones, Elliott and Hodge the best and Hodge should have played a bit more test cricket. Elliott stuffed up his chances after a promising start.

But you basically get a baggy green when you debut for NSW
 
FRUMPY said:
Agree in regard to Victorian Batsmen. Jones, Elliott and Hodge the best and Hodge should have played a bit more test cricket. Elliott stuffed up his chances after a promising start.

But you basically get a baggy green when you debut for NSW
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"When they give out the baggy blue cap in New South Wales, they give you a baggy green cap in a brown paper bag as well to save making two presentations." - David Hookes
 
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