Both are champs of the game, but Harvey for me, just in front of Buckley.
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Robert Harvey V Nathan Buckley
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A champion is more than what you see on the footy ground...
Harvey is loyal, stuck out the hard times, never controversial and the kind of player you would love to build a club around. He is clearly more resilient coming back from a shoulder, elbow and knee reco (or major surg) and plays on when he's injured.
Bucks is clearly better these days... Harvey hasn't been at his peak since 98 but he's had a much tougher career than bucks.
Both very good on performance but I'd rather have Harvey
Harvey is loyal, stuck out the hard times, never controversial and the kind of player you would love to build a club around. He is clearly more resilient coming back from a shoulder, elbow and knee reco (or major surg) and plays on when he's injured.
Bucks is clearly better these days... Harvey hasn't been at his peak since 98 but he's had a much tougher career than bucks.
Both very good on performance but I'd rather have Harvey
Buckley would never leave Collingwood and is extremely loyal to his club. Didnt leave when the Power tried to entice him even with Collingwood struggling
eddiesmith said:
he left Brisbane. where have you been Eddie?Log in to remove this Banner Ad
The Fireman said:
********ing hell, some people really have no ********ing idea
That's just being petty for the sake of an argument.
It was over a decade ago. Buckley left no doubt when Brisbane signed him that he wanted to play with Collingwood and gave his all for the entire season he was at Brisbane to subsequently finish runner-up in their b and f in his first season.
At season's end, in line with AFL rules, he requested a trade to Collingwood and was fairly traded. End of story.
Since then he has given incredible service to one club. He is as loyal as they come and couldn't have given more effort nor time to his club (much like Harvey did at the Saints).
To attempt to rubbish Buckley's name because he left Brisbane over a decade ago is a low act and poor form.
It was over a decade ago. Buckley left no doubt when Brisbane signed him that he wanted to play with Collingwood and gave his all for the entire season he was at Brisbane to subsequently finish runner-up in their b and f in his first season.
At season's end, in line with AFL rules, he requested a trade to Collingwood and was fairly traded. End of story.
Since then he has given incredible service to one club. He is as loyal as they come and couldn't have given more effort nor time to his club (much like Harvey did at the Saints).
To attempt to rubbish Buckley's name because he left Brisbane over a decade ago is a low act and poor form.
I accept that there are more people on this board that genuinely put Harvey ahead of Buckley.
There's no doubt both are champions and a good case can be made for either.
I would be interested in knowing what the vote is once St Kilda and Collingwood fans are removed - not that I can be shagged working that out. A good project for someone that's clock watching at work though.
There's no doubt both are champions and a good case can be made for either.
I would be interested in knowing what the vote is once St Kilda and Collingwood fans are removed - not that I can be shagged working that out. A good project for someone that's clock watching at work though.
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garth p said:Actually he is the best all round footballer I have ever seen.
Fair enough, never watched Carey and Hird then?
As I think I've shown in my posts on this issue, I've got great respect for Harvey.
But to label him an all-round footballer is crap.
To label him the best all-round footballer you've seen is ridiculous.
Throughout Harvey's entire career he has played in the midfield. FULL STOP. He is a brilliant midfielder. He is outstanding in close and sets up his teammates exceptionally well.
However, he has little versatility on the football field. He is a midfielder or bench player.
He is not the type you rest in a forward pocket - like Hird and to a lesser extent by Hird's standards Buckley - who comes up with three or four quick goals.
Any attempt to make Harvey a forward have failed, because he is limited in his capabilities.
Subsequently, to call him the best all-round footballer you've seen just suggests u ain't seen jack********.
But to label him an all-round footballer is crap.
To label him the best all-round footballer you've seen is ridiculous.
Throughout Harvey's entire career he has played in the midfield. FULL STOP. He is a brilliant midfielder. He is outstanding in close and sets up his teammates exceptionally well.
However, he has little versatility on the football field. He is a midfielder or bench player.
He is not the type you rest in a forward pocket - like Hird and to a lesser extent by Hird's standards Buckley - who comes up with three or four quick goals.
Any attempt to make Harvey a forward have failed, because he is limited in his capabilities.
Subsequently, to call him the best all-round footballer you've seen just suggests u ain't seen jack********.
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Very close to call, but if I was picking my team every week I'd pick Harvey ahead of Buckley.
The answer lies in Harvey's consistent good form over an amazing number of seasons. You know that with Harvey you'll get 30 touches at the drop of a hat and without so much of the flair and fanfare that Buckley seems to get for the same thing.
It's the old who do you want on your side fighting in the trench next to you in war situation.
The answer lies in Harvey's consistent good form over an amazing number of seasons. You know that with Harvey you'll get 30 touches at the drop of a hat and without so much of the flair and fanfare that Buckley seems to get for the same thing.
It's the old who do you want on your side fighting in the trench next to you in war situation.
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taff wa said:
This is about both in there prime.. there is no doubt Buckley is the better player atm but at his best Harvey was or so it seems in most peoples opinion the better player.
When Hird and Harvey where both at there prime a few years ago Harvey was always rated the better player on a consistant basis or though Hird could play the odd game that was better than Harvey could do.
Low act, poor form haha give me a break, you gotta get out more.Howie said:
The subject was loyalty to a club, he showed little loyalty to Brisbane and I couldn't care less if it was a 100 years ago.
Harves has shown loyalty to one club.
Petrie Dish said:
Which one of them won two Brownlows, played 300 games, averaged 30 possessions per game over their whole career, and never played a bad game.
You are entitled to your opinion. I wll stick with mine
Which one them's use the ball has/had the least potency? Which one of them won the least amount of games off their own boot? Which one of them lacks the ability to turn a game in with freakish, skillful play? Harvey, Harvey and Harvey.
Harvey's a brilliant, hard working on-baller. But he isn't an "all-round" talent as you claimed.
On his 300 games - fantastic effort.
On averaging 30 possession per game - he averages a lot but that's bull******** and really your just making that stat up. Prove otherwise and I'd be very impressed.
Harvey's a brilliant, hard working on-baller. But he isn't an "all-round" talent as you claimed.
On his 300 games - fantastic effort.
On averaging 30 possession per game - he averages a lot but that's bull******** and really your just making that stat up. Prove otherwise and I'd be very impressed.
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Howie, you obviously did not see Harvey in his prime, he won countless games off his own boot. I have not seen any other player consistently break 3-4 tackles and then put the ball onto a teamates chest. He used to somehow run through a pack of players and come out the other side with the ball. So often you would see opposition players standing flat footed as banger ran away from them with the ball.Howie said:
Sure Buckley is a great player but Harvey in his prime had something special.
Yeah, I'm not trying to denegrate Harvey.
He was (possibly still is) a superstar and I loved watching him play.
But he's not faultlessly brillaint like some claim. Neither's Buckley for that matter.
With Harvey, my big query (and this may be something that's been lodged in my memory because of performances over the past couple of seasons) remains his kicking particularly for goal. It's at times horrible. That's a big detering factor for me. Brilliant footballers who get in position to convert should do so more often than not. I'm not sure Harvey has.
He was (possibly still is) a superstar and I loved watching him play.
But he's not faultlessly brillaint like some claim. Neither's Buckley for that matter.
With Harvey, my big query (and this may be something that's been lodged in my memory because of performances over the past couple of seasons) remains his kicking particularly for goal. It's at times horrible. That's a big detering factor for me. Brilliant footballers who get in position to convert should do so more often than not. I'm not sure Harvey has.
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Howie said:
He avraged 27.01 over his carear last time i looked but seeing he only avraged about 21 a game this year that is probably down a tiny bit..
close enough to 30 any way.. In his prime he would get 30 touches every game no matter what, In 1998 he had over 30 touches in something like 21 of his 24 games.
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Incidently Buckley Avrages 25 touches a game over his carear so they are quite close.
