Rocca/Tarrant vs Cloke/Dawes

[TradeDraft]

I am wondering who do you rate as the Better Partnership as Rocca and Tarrant did a very good Job for us between 2001-2006. Lead us 2 Grand Finals though we lost both of them. But they worked very well together.

Now with Cloke and Dawes only having 1 season - That we won the Flag in. They both work just as well as Rocca and Tarrant and both are Young and both can be very dangerous for the pies for a long time.

So who do you rate higher and why?

 

[Rustin Cohle]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

I love Rocca and Taz, but I just can't go past a good line of coke.

 

[Mars II]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

we havnt seen the best of dawes yet so for now i'd have to say rocca/tarrant rocca over dawes and taz over cloke (taz was bad kick but at least he'd have those 5,6,7 goal days on occasion)

however i'm more likly to choose cloke/dawes by the end of their careers.

 

[HFF]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

At this stage, Tarrant/Rocca combo for mine.

Rocca was the best contested mark. When he stood up, we were almost unbeatable.

Tarrant was an AA and commanded a top defender. His link work between attack/midfield was top notch.

If you put a 23-24yr old Taz/Pebs into our current setup it would be even better than what it currently is.

That's no knock on Cloke or Dawes as both are highly rated and pivotal members of the team who may go on to become better than Rocca and Tarrant by the end of their careers.

 

[Ed D]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

Mars hit it on the head. Rocca and Tarrant well into their careers were a great combo. Rocca leading the competition in contested marks while Tarrant roamed up the ground. I think on potential Cloke and Dawes can go past them, but they're both young and haven't proved it, Dawes more so.

So it's a bit early to be comparing them.

 

[TradeDraft]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

I love Rocca and Taz, but I just can't go past a good line of coke.

Woops - Mods please Fix Heading

 

[bucksisbest]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

I love you pepsi.

 

[morax]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

I love Rocca and Taz, but I just can't go past a good line of coke.

Indeed

 

[handy point]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

As long as it's not the New Coke. Bill Cosby, you lied!


Seriously though, ask me this question in 6 years time.

 

[Good_Old]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

Like previously stated, too early to call.

Did love the Rocca Taz combo though. Both so exciting!

 

[mdc]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

I love you pepsi.

Not to early to call at all, Rocca and Tarrant were both markedly better players than Cloke. I think Dawes can potentially overtake Cloke within 2 years, but I can't see him catching Rocca/Tarrant.

 

[StillWaiting5689]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

Rocca/Tarrant combo pretty comfortably for mine. Don't think the Cloke Dawes combo will ever be as good. Team success will obviously shine more favorably on the current duo but if I could swap these players around I would do so without a second thought.

 

[hotpies2010]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

rocca was hot and cold some excellet games but went missin in others so im sticking with cloke and dawes

 

[Optimax]

Re: Rocca/Tarrant vs Coke/Dawes

Dawes and Cloke will never reach the talent level of Rocca, both could reach Tarrant

Young Rocca and Tarrant now, sheesh that would be a sight to see

In any case Dawes and Cloke have the premiership and hopefully more, so as a tandem they will be remembered more fondly

 

[shawthing09]

Can't see the foward combination going past Rocca and Tarrant. Don't think either will catch either of the above at their best as players either. The difference is the delivery and structure really.

 

[Subtemperate]

Both Rocca and Tarrant have kicked more goals in a season then Cloke and Dawes.... So its pretty hard to look past that. So Rocca and Tarrant, until I have a fair section of Dawes and Cloke's career to compare it too.

 

[vjknight]

Can't see the foward combination going past Rocca and Tarrant. Don't think either will catch either of the above at their best as players either. The difference is the delivery and structure really.

agree.

do remember cloke & dawes play a similiar role to each other, which is the modern tall forward game of running well up the field to provide a link for the forwards. thankfully we have 3 of these guys (incl leroy) so you still get the contested mark type in the deep forward zone too.

rocca played that game to an extent but his tank didnt allow it thru an entire game. was better from the goalsquare. tarrant played out of position while at collingwood - it took freo to realise it and make the change. his leading & strong overhead marking, but wayward kicking had link man or half back written all over him.

 

[Gambit78]

Love all four of them, but reckon Cloke is a better contested mark than Rocca and Dawes is the most reliable kick at goal out of the lot. Cloke and Dawes for me.

 

[DaVe86]

I think its much of a muchness. You can't underestimate how good a combination Tarrant and Rocca were in 02/03. Unfortunately they were ordinary after that and both very injury prone.

Cloke and Dawes are still a new combination but they were very effective.

However, the Rocca/Tarrant combination produced far more goals. Cloke and Dawes set up more for others.

I think we are a better team with Cloke/Dawes...however the Rocca/Tarrant one has more runs on the board at this stage. Exciting times nonetheless

 

[loki04]

Can't see the foward combination going past Rocca and Tarrant. Don't think either will catch either of the above at their best as players either. The difference is the delivery and structure really.

Add to that that both Rocca and Tarrant could take a hanger if u put it on their head, I'm yet to see Cloke and Dawes show this ability.

Cloke and Dawes have their own strengths but the Rocca and Taz show when in full flight was great to watch and a better combo.

 

[loki04]

I think its much of a muchness. You can't underestimate how good a combination Tarrant and Rocca were in 02/03. Unfortunately they were ordinary after that and both very injury prone.

Cloke and Dawes are still a new combination but they were very effective.

However, the Rocca/Tarrant combination produced far more goals. Cloke and Dawes set up more for others.

I think we are a better team with Cloke/Dawes...however the Rocca/Tarrant one has more runs on the board at this stage. Exciting times nonetheless

Nah they don't Taz use to lead the comp in goal assists regularly and Rocca with his dummy leading, blocking ect helped other get free.

 

[GameOver]

Rocca and Tarrant at this stage. Cloke and Dawes have had 1 season together up forward so it's a small sample to work on. For those that say Cloke and Dawes, I think you're over valueing our players because they have a medal around their neck. Having said that, they may end up being a better combo.

 

[cfx_1]

Cloke is the best contested mark in the competition. If he could kick straight he just may be the best CHF in the competition. You could almost say the same about Rocca. You would be happier with him 50 out, than 30 out. I think Dawes will really step up this year and kick 50+. I was never really confident in Taz's form and ability. Too inconsistent.

But i suppose you could say that about anyone. I'm just looking forward to having 2 powerhouse forwards that could each honestly throw a fridge at someone if they wanted too.

The only difference between the two is Cloke and Dawes have a premiership. They get my vote.

 

[mdc]

Love all four of them, but reckon Cloke is a better contested mark than Rocca and Dawes is the most reliable kick at goal out of the lot. Cloke and Dawes for me.

Cloke is the best contested mark in the competition. If he could kick straight he just may be the best CHF in the competition. You could almost say the same about Rocca. You would be happier with him 50 out, than 30 out. I think Dawes will really step up this year and kick 50+. I was never really confident in Taz's form and ability. Too inconsistent.

Can I just point out that the reason Cloke lead the league in contested marks is;
a) He has the tank to get to spots where he's one-on-one with whichever flanker happens to be playing on him.
b) Our midfield was dominant so he got a lot of ball directed at him.

If you take those two things into account, he's a long way off actually being the best contested mark in the league, and certainly a long way off Rocca in this department.

As for comparing their kicking, come on now. Rocca is one of the finest field kicks we've had in the last decade, and although he was a little inconsistent close to goal he still converted at almost 60%. Cloke, otoh, converts at worse than 50%, which is historically bad for key position forwards. There's just no comparison between the two when it comes to kicking.

 

[iGNITER]

People forget how good Anthony Rocca was at his best.

Rarely got beaten one out in contests. Kick a booming goal.
Provides that real physical presence in the forward line.