Rookie draft

[Salaryman]

Pafloyul, sorry, got a case of the dyslexics today.

 

[half time lollies]

Heard a whisper that Tim Looby from the Murrray Bushrangers might be a chance to get rookied at Carlton. He's like a designated kicker like a Hunt from Geelong. Any chance???

 

[Salaryman]

Mojo,

just wondering if you have seen anything of Brennan Mills and whether you rate him or not?? I have seen a few people talking this kid up on the baords, and like always it is hard to know what to believe.

Although it sounds to me like we are much more likely to go for the best local talent available.

 

[Pafloyul]

...sorry, got a case of the dyslexics today.

'Tis' alright lilyG.

 

[Salaryman]

Mojo,

do you have any notes on Ryan Jackson ?? If so would you mind posting them for us?

Cheers

 

[Stanton]

Tom Rischbieth
If he smashed the beep test how is he not quick over 20 metres that doesnt make sense? What do you think of Greg Bentleys chances of being rookied? I thought he might of been drafted, seems like a strong mark and has leadership qualities?

188cms of pure endurance athlete. Smashed the 3km record at the draft camp as well as the beep test.
However he is not quick over 20m. He also has shorts arms even for his height of 6 foot 2.

 

[mojo31]

Tom Rischbieth
If he smashed the beep test how is he not quick over 20 metres that doesnt make sense? What do you think of Greg Bentleys chances of being rookied? I thought he might of been drafted, seems like a strong mark and has leadership qualities?

188cms of pure endurance athlete. Smashed the 3km record at the draft camp as well as the beep test.
However he is not quick over 20m. He also has shorts arms even for his height of 6 foot 2.

Ever done a beep test?

Ever seen anyone do a beep test?

Know what a beep test is?

Tom has elite endurance. This means that he is able to run at very close to his maximum for longer than others. Does not mean he has a great top speed just that he is able to run at a level not far under it for a period of time when others are already tiring.
His high VO2 max levels means that his body is able to convert fulels into oxygen and push them out into his muslces and allow him to keep running. Means that his body does not get the lactic acid build up (jelly legs etc) as quickly as others and when he turns to run back for the next beep he is still able to perform at a high level.

I hope you get the idea.

Nathan Jones is another one with not very much pace but is able to run all day and have a high beep and 3km (when he is not sick at draft camp with gastro !!). This means that he is able to run almost as hard and as quickly in the last quater as in the first.

Does not make either of those 2 quick when measuring speed off the mark or topline speed.

 

[mojo31]

Mojo,

do you have any notes on Ryan Jackson ?? If so would you mind posting them for us?

Cheers

Ryan Jackson

Flanker size at 188cms. Slow. Did I mention he was slow. Not quick. Not fast. But slow...... S L O W.

Okay now I have got that out of the way.

He has good endurance and is pretty agile and has good footwork and change of direction which helps him in close. Pretty good attitude and is nice and hard at the ball and the man and does the team things.
Decent body and would not need to build up much to be AFL ready physically.

However he is not quick enough to be a wing. Not really good enough in the air to be a half back flanker on a tall forward. His leap was not to good at testing. Cant really play on a nippy hff with his lack of straight line speed and would be exposed on a long hard lead (David Teague).

So really a 6 foot 2 onballer who has a pretty complete game but lacks the speed to breakway from the stoppages. Kicking is okay without being outstanding.
Played all over the place in the TAC and showed he is a versatile bloke with a great attitude after breaking his ankle in 2004 and missing being drafted. Then given the captaincy of his TAC team and not letting the disappointment get to him and had a good year in 2005.

Top aged and will be 19 in April.

Definite rookie consideration. Like his attitude and leadership abilities and versatility. Not the 'jet' we need but can play and passes the character test in my book. Also good height with some of our 'short people' on the list.

 

[mojo31]

Mojo,

just wondering if you have seen anything of Brennan Mills and whether you rate him or not?? I have seen a few people talking this kid up on the baords, and like always it is hard to know what to believe.

Although it sounds to me like we are much more likely to go for the best local talent available.

WA player who is a smallish midfielder (around Marc Murphy size at 179 and 75jgs approximately from memory) who broke his leg last year and then got re injured at the start of this year.
Plays for Claremont but I have not seen him play.

Apparently showed a bit of form but not convinced from what I have been told that he is 100-% right and might have long term problems getting his body right.

The sort of high risk player you might consider if he was a local but having to keep him rookied for a t least 2 years since he is an interstater is to much for me.

Happy to look at high risk players who have some chance to make if they get there body right. Rather than a "good bloke plodder" who has no chance.
Just not Mills in this case.

Right idea though.

 

[mojo31]

Tom Rischbieth
If he smashed the beep test how is he not quick over 20 metres that doesnt make sense? What do you think of Greg Bentleys chances of being rookied? I thought he might of been drafted, seems like a strong mark and has leadership qualities?

188cms of pure endurance athlete. Smashed the 3km record at the draft camp as well as the beep test.
However he is not quick over 20m. He also has shorts arms even for his height of 6 foot 2.

Greg Bentley

Another of these utilty types. Good size for a midfielder but not really a midfielder. Not enough tricks to play wing. Not really big enough to play as a marking forward.
Comes back to the same question. Where is he going to play in the AFL?

Has decent pace. Better than decent really and has good hands above his head. Good extension of the arms and sticky fingers. In short a good overhead mark under pressure (contested).

Was up for drafting last year but missed out. So top aged and passed on already 1 time ( eg Andrew Swallow + Toovey).
Nice size if he was a midfielder and a good strong body and basically physically ready and not much improvement left in him.

Spped and agility show he might develop as a midfielder but is doubtful. Averaging 20 poss a game in the TAC hardly shows he is a ball magnet and after playing there for 2 years would want a little more.
Kicking for goal when he played hff waas not good either.

On the plus side would be that he has had injuries and might not have played as much midfield as he could given a full pre season and full fitness.

Chance for a rookie listing but prefer a few others at this stage.

 

[blueboy15]

what about tim looby he has an excellent kick not slow can you give us a profile on him

 

[bmaurizio]

Mojo, would appreciate some more info on Matty White ?
Have good feel about him and Jon Simpkin. We need the fast legs.
Could they be our tickets for picks 1 & 2 ?
Once again amazing work, thanks for the effort.
Ciao

 

[Silvagnis]

Mojo, would appreciate some more info on Matty White ?
Have good feel about him and Jon Simpkin. We need the fast legs.
Could they be our tickets for picks 1 & 2 ?
Once again amazing work, thanks for the effort.
Ciao

He's already given info on those two.
Simpkin
Matt White
Mojo, is Aaron Edwards a safer bet for our second rookie pick than an untried kid?

Or would you say we'd better off taking a punt on Ryan Jackson or Looby with our position?


Edwards took a couple of decent grabs in his debut game against Richmond but struggled afterwards and was dumped by the Eagles.But he has played some decent footy in the WAFL by looking at his stats however I haven't seen the games.

 

[blueboy15]

It will all come down to which type of player we need more as it is impossible to seperate the likes of simpkins, bowes, thomas, iles. or whether we go KPP in ainger or Grima. I feel we need a midfielder wih speed or a Hbf/bp with speed and a penetrating kick out of defence, Tim Looby. Mojo what are your thoughts could you do a profile on ainger and on looby thanx alot. Your work is much appreciated by all.

 

[Salaryman]

Just looking for some info on the other kid who is training with us, Craig Flint.

Has anybody seen him play or train?

Looking at the TAC cup fixtures, it looks like he was a relaible defender for the grand finalist Gippsland Power this year, and if i am not mistaken was in the best three or four in the grand final, including some timely marks on the last line of defence. One query is that at 189cm he seems to be that Marcus Drum, Alan Toovey in-between height for a Full Back, so what position at AFL level?

Does he play taller than that? or is he quick enough to hold down a HBF role?

And with our recent drafting do we need a 190cm key defender?

 

[mojo31]

He's already given info on those two.
Simpkin
Matt White
Mojo, is Aaron Edwards a safer bet for our second rookie pick than an untried kid?

Or would you say we'd better off taking a punt on Ryan Jackson or Looby with our position?


Edwards took a couple of decent grabs in his debut game against Richmond but struggled afterwards and was dumped by the Eagles.But he has played some decent footy in the WAFL by looking at his stats however I haven't seen the games.

Edwards was a bit of a gun forward in the TAC and led the goal kicking for his team with 50 plus. Pretty short at just over 6 foot but very well built and very strong.
Been playing KPP in the WAFL for Claremont. Moves around the ground well on the couple of games I saw on him in the WAFL on tape.
Good kick and has a good presence about him and does the team things and competes very well.
Lacks elite fitness and was shown up when he made his debut for WC this year and kicked a couple of goals and had a great first half only to cramp badly after that and sit the rest of the game out on the bench.

I would play him as a third tall HFF who can act as a decoy depending on who mans him up or be the go to man if his opponent zones off. In short a shorter less talented Fevola type of player.

I would not take him for a rookie spot. But would take younger players who have no baggage. Don’t mind selecting a player with injury concerns who missed drafting because of it.

The point I would make here is that the PSD (Pre-Season Draft) is held BEFORE the rookie draft.
So players like Grima, Iles, Toovey etc may well be picked up there and even Ryan Jackson. Does not seem that many of the recycled blokes are going to be picked up.
We will only be using 1 pick on McLaren. Hawks are taking Guerra and Stevens and Thurley are certainties to be picked. Travis Baird also will go there it seems.

So we will have to wait and see who is available for rookie listing after that.

There is a strong rumour that Essendon are very interested in a couple of Carlton champions. Without giving to much away they go by the initials of Mark Maclure and Rod Ashman. Both are in tip top condition and are ready to go.
Peter Dean was spoken to but was considered far to young to fit Essendons recruiting policy.

Interesting times ahead for the Bombers.

 

[mojo31]

Mojo, would appreciate some more info on Matty White ?
Have good feel about him and Jon Simpkin. We need the fast legs.
Could they be our tickets for picks 1 & 2 ?
Once again amazing work, thanks for the effort.
Ciao

Thanks. Keen on both to be honest. Just hope they are not taken in the PSD and we are able to consider them. Would have White and Simpkin in the top few from which I would rookie.

 

[mojo31]

what about tim looby he has an excellent kick not slow can you give us a profile on him

Not a fan of Looby.

Played well before the carnival but after it he did little. 6 foot 1 and developed physically already he has zero scope for improvement.
Like you said he has a fantastic left foot on him and thats basically all.

When I have seen him play his opponent gets to much of the ball and he does not play tight enough. Monsters the smaller oponents because of being around 90kgs and it is not really skill or ability that he is using. Just his body size which will not be there in the AFL.

Does get out on his own and run the ball and with the ball in hand he can do damage but needs to be able to beat his man with positioning and reading of the play also. Something he does not really do. Just gets given the ball at every opportunity from his teamates to use his left foot.
Does not have the smarts or abilty to play midfield and the pure athleticism to go with quick forwards which he would need to do to play AFL.

A physically ready player with a beautiful kick. To short and not enough tricks to play HBF. Nothing more.

 

[Salaryman]

what about the kid flint mojo?

 

[mojo31]

what about the kid flint mojo?

Craig Flint from Gippsland Power. Played mostly full back for the TAC champions. Is pretty top aged and turned 18 in August.

Is listed at 189cms and is reasonable well built without being big. Is about Marcus Drum size without having the extra long arms that Drum has.

I would have liked to see him play some other positions more often. Occasingly moved out to the HBF but with Xavier Ellis playing there when not playing school football and future gun in Lachlan Hansen absolutely dominating at CHB his job was made pretty easy.

He is however like Drum a very good organiser of the backline. Is constantly yelling out and telling defenders where to move to.
Nothing particularly special about his skills or athleticism. Just a very good orgainser and reader of the play. Would struggle to play HBF in the AFL and to have the size and strength to play full back.
Is a team player who can get out and make some play and will back himself in with a bounce and run. Some chance there to develop as a third tall defender. Doubt he would have the motor to be able to be a run with player.
Another in between size and it would seem with selecting Edwards that he would have that spot taken.

I have not been down to training since going to the time trial so I dont know if he is training with the Blues or not. Permission to train and actually being there are different scenarios. Ask Karl Norman

Will try and find a bit more about him. Denis Pagan is not the sort of coach who has players training with him who he hs no real interest in. So the fact he is on the list to train means he is being looked at.
Eddie Betts and others who were picked up were training at Carlton before being selected.

 

[Salaryman]

thanks moj, good work again

not surprising we might look at a poor man's drum style player, esp if we looked at him at #4

 

[Silvagnis]

Edwards was a bit of a gun forward in the TAC and led the goal kicking for his team with 50 plus. Pretty short at just over 6 foot but very well built and very strong.
Been playing KPP in the WAFL for Claremont. Moves around the ground well on the couple of games I saw on him in the WAFL on tape.
Good kick and has a good presence about him and does the team things and competes very well.
Lacks elite fitness and was shown up when he made his debut for WC this year and kicked a couple of goals and had a great first half only to cramp badly after that and sit the rest of the game out on the bench.

I would play him as a third tall HFF who can act as a decoy depending on who mans him up or be the go to man if his opponent zones off. In short a shorter less talented Fevola type of player.

I would not take him for a rookie spot. But would take younger players who have no baggage. Don’t mind selecting a player with injury concerns who missed drafting because of it.

The point I would make here is that the PSD (Pre-Season Draft) is held BEFORE the rookie draft.
So players like Grima, Iles, Toovey etc may well be picked up there and even Ryan Jackson. Does not seem that many of the recycled blokes are going to be picked up.
We will only be using 1 pick on McLaren. Hawks are taking Guerra and Stevens and Thurley are certainties to be picked. Travis Baird also will go there it seems.

So we will have to wait and see who is available for rookie listing after that.

There is a strong rumour that Essendon are very interested in a couple of Carlton champions. Without giving to much away they go by the initials of Mark Maclure and Rod Ashman. Both are in tip top condition and are ready to go.
Peter Dean was spoken to but was considered far to young to fit Essendons recruiting policy.

Interesting times ahead for the Bombers.

Thanks Mojo but Travis Baird was drafted by the Dogs in the November draft.

 

[mojo31]

Thanks Mojo but Travis Baird was drafted by the Dogs in the November draft.

See I was right.

In other predictions.

Kasey Green to get picked up.

Murphy a likely number 1.

Collingwood to surprise with there first 2 picks.

Yes you heard all the scoops here first.


Jokes aside a few of the recycled players who were offered contracts (maybe only 1 year) and did not re-sign are the ones who are going to get picked up.
That would be McLaren, M Stevens and Thurley who were all offered something by there clubs only to knock it back. Baird was offered another rookie spot and turned it down as he had interest from other clubs and would be on someones main list.
I had just forgotten that he was actually drafted and had him in mind for the PSD for the Pies and a couple of others.

In breaking news I do not believe he will be picked up in the rookie or PSD now. 100% guaranteed.

 

[Silvagnis]

Have you heard Campo's likely to be a Magpie?

If not I'm sure he'll help bring Sheedy's career undone along with Cole, Heffernan and the uber-dud Henneman.

At least they drafted the best kid in this draft at pick 7.

 

[blueboy15]

mojo i know you understand the world of teh drafts better than myself in the rookie draft do clubs tend to take a high risk player often or a player who will be good but who just needs time to develop an if they start on teh rookie list while there developing club can still use 38 players. ALso does anyone have an opinion on currie looks to me he could be a good footballer, are there any other players available for the rookie draft that are fast with good solid skills that could play midfield or HBF. maybe an Ed lower type how are his skills?. any other players you think fit this catagory?